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darkxshade

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Originally posted by: crazySOB297

Originally posted by: Crono
Was the flu originally avian and jumped to pig then to human, chaning along the way?

No one yet knows. We do know it contains 8 genetic markers from human flu, and 2 from avian flu. That's going to be one of the largest questions left after this is over because Mexico had never had a case of Avian flu.

So if it contains 2 genetic markers from the avian flu, doesn't this prove that pigs can fly?
 

krylon

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Does the swine flu cause one to lust over and/or produce an erection over succulent pig meat?
 

Agentbolt

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Originally posted by: crazySOB297
Thus far symptoms are exactly the same as a normal flu. It is believed the deaths are caused by a cytokine storm (wiki it).

I've heard this before, and I really really hope that's incorrect. Luckily right now it appears to be blatant, wild speculation that cytokine storms are causing the deaths in Mexico.

Want to have a few sleepless nights? Google the Spanish Flu Pandemic of 1918. Something like that happening today could cause unbelievable amounts of damage.
 

Feldenak

Lifer
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Originally posted by: crazySOB297
Thus far symptoms are exactly the same as a normal flu. It is believed the deaths are caused by a cytokine storm (wiki it).

Wasn't that a big factor in the 1918 pandemic?
 

PaperclipGod

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I've heard reports that the most common fatalities have been 18-45 year olds -- is this flu actually somehow more deadly to people within those ages? Isn't it normally the young and the old that have the worst time?
 

Crono

Lifer
Aug 8, 2001
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Originally posted by: PaperclipGod
I've heard reports that the most common fatalities have been 18-45 year olds -- is this flu actually somehow more deadly to people within those ages? Isn't it normally the young and the old that have the worst time?

It's because of the strong immune response leading to cytokine storm. Normally it's weaker immune system in older people and the very young that are suceptible to pathogens, but in cases where the immune system is working against itself, young/healthy people are in danger more than they would be from normal pathogens.
 

Fritzo

Lifer
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I heard the government was going to keep swine flu a secret, but SOMEBODY SQUEELED!!!


BBAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

EightySix Four

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Jul 17, 2004
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Originally posted by: Crono
Originally posted by: PaperclipGod
I've heard reports that the most common fatalities have been 18-45 year olds -- is this flu actually somehow more deadly to people within those ages? Isn't it normally the young and the old that have the worst time?

It's because of the strong immune response leading to cytokine storm. Normally it's weaker immune system in older people and the very young that are suceptible to pathogens, but in cases where the immune system is working against itself, young/healthy people are in danger more than they would be from normal pathogens.

Correct.

Originally posted by: ViRaLRuSh
Postpone my honeymoon to Maya Riviera that's on June 1st? :frown:

Not yet. The flu is highly seasonal and it is likely this strain will have died out by then. Historically the most dangerous strains (particularly 1918 Spanish flu) have appeared at the end of the previous flu season. The 1918 Spanish flu first happened in April 1918 spread some, and between July and August the cases were few and far between. When normal flu season came back around the strain was back and so intense it wiped out 195,000 Americans in October alone.

That's another reason why this is causing so much concern. If it's spreading this rapidly in it's least favorable conditions, what will happen when conditions are more favorable to its ability to spread? Fortunately the WHO is reporting this strain is responsive to Tamiflu, on the downside there was a particularly nasty strain in Dallas, Texas this year that was completely unresponsive to Tamiflu opening the possibility for cross "breeding."







Keep in mind I don't want anyone to live in fear or be panicked about this. At this point it is certainly a threat but not one of grave concern. Travel and plans centered around large gatherings should be avoided, but otherwise live life as you normally would. If you don't have a small stock of non-perishable items, I would probably build one up over the next few months. It's smart to have one whether this happens or not.
 

EightySix Four

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Originally posted by: V00DOO
Do these masks everyone are wearing really help?

I'll forward that question on to the pandemic guy this evening. I've heard mixed opinions.

Originally posted by: Agentbolt
Originally posted by: crazySOB297
Thus far symptoms are exactly the same as a normal flu. It is believed the deaths are caused by a cytokine storm (wiki it).

I've heard this before, and I really really hope that's incorrect. Luckily right now it appears to be blatant, wild speculation that cytokine storms are causing the deaths in Mexico.

The age group for the deaths as well as the doctor's reports coming from Mexico both support this thesis.
 

zoiks

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Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: zoiks
Originally posted by: Miklebud
I'm guessing I should cancel my vacation to Mexico... Puerto Vallarta on May 22nd...

I was going to go to Cabo on the 21st. But I'm going to scrap those plans too.

Whimps! Just wear a surgical mask while you're at the beach and you'll be fine.

Last time there was that SARS thing going on and Canada was deeply affected. I took a trip during that time to my family in Toronto which kind of pissed off some workers at my company. I don't know who but someone reported their concerns to HR (probably feared for their lives).
Before leaving, I had called the CDC and they had told me that it was fine for me to travel. As for Cabo however, the CDC is discouraging any pleasure or non-essential trips to Mexico so I'll stay put I guess.
 

Gibsons

Lifer
Aug 14, 2001
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Originally posted by: Agentbolt
Originally posted by: crazySOB297
Thus far symptoms are exactly the same as a normal flu. It is believed the deaths are caused by a cytokine storm (wiki it).

I've heard this before, and I really really hope that's incorrect. Luckily right now it appears to be blatant, wild speculation that cytokine storms are causing the deaths in Mexico.

It is, by far, the most likely explanation. What explanation do you favor?
 

zoiks

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Originally posted by: RichUK
Originally posted by: zoiks
Originally posted by: RichUK
Originally posted by: zoiks
Originally posted by: RichUK
How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

He couldn't if he had the swine flu.

But how do you know for sure?

Has it been to Mexico?

YES

There you go. Mystery solved. Give it Tamiflu.
 

TheVrolok

Lifer
Dec 11, 2000
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Originally posted by: Agentbolt
Originally posted by: crazySOB297
Thus far symptoms are exactly the same as a normal flu. It is believed the deaths are caused by a cytokine storm (wiki it).

I've heard this before, and I really really hope that's incorrect. Luckily right now it appears to be blatant, wild speculation that cytokine storms are causing the deaths in Mexico.

Want to have a few sleepless nights? Google the Spanish Flu Pandemic of 1918. Something like that happening today could cause unbelievable amounts of damage.

The key factor that made the 1918 flu so bad.. was because it was f'ing 1918. :p People need to relax.

Originally posted by: crazySOB297
Originally posted by: Crono
Originally posted by: PaperclipGod
I've heard reports that the most common fatalities have been 18-45 year olds -- is this flu actually somehow more deadly to people within those ages? Isn't it normally the young and the old that have the worst time?

It's because of the strong immune response leading to cytokine storm. Normally it's weaker immune system in older people and the very young that are suceptible to pathogens, but in cases where the immune system is working against itself, young/healthy people are in danger more than they would be from normal pathogens.

Correct.

Is that anything more than complete speculation? i.e. "Well, young adults are dying, and when it has happened before..." The young adults here in the US have had absolutely no problem handling the infection. It seems like a lot more must be looked at regarding these "young deaths" before people start druming up a cytokine storm craze .. like.. Mexico City is a shithole.. co-morbidities.. etc.. etc.. Can we give the epidemiologists some time? :p

Originally posted by: V00DOO
Do these masks everyone are wearing really help?

Sure, they'll prevent you from inhaling droplets. Of course, they could still be on your skin/in your eyes/etc... so wash well, wear a mask, and throw some shades on and you'll be gravy.
 

mb

Lifer
Jun 27, 2004
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Originally posted by: Newbian
Originally posted by: Azraele
Originally posted by: Newbian
So does this mean no more sex with sexy pigs that have lipstick on?

What are you smoking? :confused:

Ham....

God dammit, Newbian, you made me spit out my soda! Now I have to go the rest of the day at work with soda stains on my shirt!