Asians view Barack Obama as weak and capitulating to China

Dari

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This article is roughly a month old but, as in America, America's allies see the new President giving succor to common enemies than friends. I cannot wait until he is voted out of office in 3 years.

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Barack Obama's Asian adventure

Nov 12th 2009
From The Economist print edition


The president seems better at reassuring America's enemies than its friends

ASIANS complain that when George Bush chose Iraq and terrorism as his main arenas in foreign affairs, it was at their expense. Barack Obama intends his first Asian trip as president, which begins in Tokyo on November 13th, as proof of change. As well as Japan, the tour takes in Singapore, China and South Korea. Engagement in the region, he says, is critical to America’s future. Advisers even suggest that what he achieves there will help define Mr Obama’s presidency. Of course, they say that about a lot of things on his plate. But to judge by ordinary folk, the region wishes him well. Many Indonesians think of Mr Obama as one of their own. In Japan students of English have emptied the bookshops of his collected speeches.

Some activity suggests there is indeed a new engagement. In July, the American secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, signed ASEAN’s Treaty of Amity and Co-operation. The ten-member Association of South-East Asian Nations had been largely ignored by Mr Bush. This weekend Mr Obama will meet ASEAN’s leaders as a group, which is a first. His administration reached out to the thuggish junta in Myanmar, reversing a policy of isolation, and on November 10th said Mr Obama’s special envoy to North Korea would go to Pyongyang for talks with the obstreperous nuclear state (after close consultation with South Korea and Japan first). The president has taken pains to define China as a “strategic partner”, one without whom America has little hope of tackling everything from the global economic crisis to climate change and nuclear proliferation. And Mr Obama’s energetic support this year for the G20, with its Asia-heavy membership, can be read as a tacit acknowledgment that in economic and political terms the world’s centre of gravity has shifted away from the G8 group of wealthy nations.

And yet. American policy in Asia—or, just as often, the lack of it—retains the power to unsettle its friends in the region. Take Japan, the cornerstone of America’s Asian alliances. There, some people ask whether the hand extended to America’s adversaries might reasonably be extended to its allies too. The Democratic Party of Japan (DPJ), which recently swept away the old political guard, wants to put Japan’s security alliance with America on a more “equal” footing, one in which America does not call all the shots. Many Americans, too, see disadvantages in a skewed relationship. Among other things, it discourages Japan from taking up more international responsibilities.

Soon after coming to office, Japan’s prime minister, Yukio Hatoyama, suggested revisiting an unpopular plan, agreed under the previous government, to move an American air base on Okinawa, a tiny southern island with an overwhelming American military presence. The Obama administration could have shown patience towards a government still finding its feet. But it was confrontational from the start. Changing the agreement, said the defence secretary, Robert Gates, was out of the question. Japan, a State Department official told the Washington Post, was a bigger problem than China—an extraordinary judgment. It is true that Japan could have handled the problem better (see article). But America has done itself few favours and the best Mr Obama can do now is remind both sides of the strategic ends of their alliance and call for a rethink about the means. Next year’s 50th anniversary of the pact would provide an occasion for that.

Elsewhere in Asia, a new engagement, however welcome, is not thought to be enough. Many of China’s neighbours, eyeing its rise, want the reassurance of a more robust American presence. In a recent speech in Washington, DC, Singapore’s patriarch, Lee Kuan Yew, surprised his audience by raising concerns about China’s naval build-up, something South-East Asia’s leaders rarely talk about in public. “If you do not hold your ground in the Pacific”, he told the Americans, “you cannot be a world leader.” In private, Mr Lee was blunter: “You guys are giving China a free run in Asia,” the Financial Times reports him saying. As well as engaging China, America must also balance it.



Celebrate and monitor

Mr Lee had America’s economic influence in mind as well as its military presence. Take free-trade agreements (FTAs). China has signed FTAs with most of its neighbours, including with ASEAN as a whole, often on terms more favourable to China than to its partners. Talk is growing about the possibility of a super-FTA between China, Japan and South Korea. Asians are also negotiating FTAs with the European Union. In contrast, the ratification of a landmark agreement between South Korea and America is mired in Congress. The administration has taken retaliatory measures against imports of Chinese tyres. It has even drawn back from perhaps the only regional project seeking genuinely open trade, the Transpacific Partnership, led by a handful of liberal states. Meanwhile, South-East Asia’s battered exporters long for America to take a tougher stance with China over its undervalued currency that is, in practice, pegged to the declining dollar while other regional currencies rise. Mr Obama has been squishy on the issue, not wishing to poison Chinese-American relations.

So Mr Obama will be monitored, as well as celebrated. On trade, an American commitment to seek an FTA with ASEAN would send the right signal. So would re-engaging with the Trans pacific Partnership. On Myanmar, whose abuses are poisoning ASEAN’s own future, the president needs to be clear to the region’s leaders, including Myanmar’s prime minister (whom he will meet), that he will bring the pariah state in from the cold only with the release of Aung San Suu Kyi and the launch of a democratic process involving the opposition and minorities. And Mr Obama needs to signal that America will balance a rising China in such a way that China’s neighbours never have to take sides.
 

Dari

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LMAO... China nearly owns us... Do you do anything about that Dari?

They own our debt, which is in our currency. I try to avoid 'Made in China' products whenever possible. But with Obama licking that brittle and insecure regime's balls like it was fried chicken dipped in hot sauce, it is making things difficult for our allies in the region.
 

UberNeuman

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They own our debt, which is in our currency. I try to avoid 'Made in China' products whenever possible. But with Obama licking that brittle and insecure regime's balls like it was fried chicken dipped in hot sauce, it is making things difficult for our allies in the region.

ah, yes it's Obama's fault for American's liking, wanting, buying products of cheap labour..
 

UberNeuman

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What the hell are you talking about? Where do you see me blaming Obama for that?

You "try" to avoid to buying products that come from labour in China...

However, I'd bet you own products made there...

So, if Obama is weak, then it would seem, that you are as well....
 

Dari

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China is America's enemy? :confused:

Yes. They are anti-G-d, anti-democratic, and anti-American supremacy. They are opponents of most of America's allies, including Japan, S. Korea, Taiwan, India, etc... They side with Venezuela, Russia, N. Korea, Cuba, etc...
 

Jhhnn

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China is America's enemy? :confused:

It's part of that neocon "American exceptionalism" thing - you're our enemy, or our vassal.

And they desperately need "enemies" to distract us from the looting spree here on the homefront...
 

Dari

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You "try" to avoid to buying products that come from labour in China...

However, I'd bet you own products made there...

So, if Obama is weak, then it would seem, that you are as well....

Are you generally this stupid or did you miss the point of the editorial and my title?
 

UberNeuman

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Are you generally this stupid or did you miss the point of the editorial and my title?

no, what I saw was that you allowed someone else to do your heavy lifting, then slapped it up on a message board....

This is why Asians view you as weak and unable to lift on your own...
 

Dari

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no, what I saw was that you allowed someone else to do your heavy lifting, then slapped it up on a message board....

This is why Asians view you as weak and unable to lift on your own...

You are stupid, then. A lot of posters on this board and Republicans such as M. Romney have complained, since late winter, early spring '09 that the President apologizes too much and cavorts with our enemies. Personally, I think he enjoys it. Anyway, now Asians are seeing what we saw early on. In other word, the world is coming around to the real Obama.
 

UberNeuman

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You are stupid, then. A lot of posters on this board and Republicans such as M. Romney have complained, since late winter, early spring '09 that the President apologizes too much and cavorts with our enemies. Personally, I think he enjoys it. Anyway, now Asians are seeing what we saw early on. In other word, the world is coming around to the real Obama.

At this point, Marry Christmas...
 

Jhhnn

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You are stupid, then. A lot of posters on this board and Republicans such as M. Romney have complained, since late winter, early spring '09 that the President apologizes too much and cavorts with our enemies. Personally, I think he enjoys it. Anyway, now Asians are seeing what we saw early on. In other word, the world is coming around to the real Obama.

Yeh, I'm sure they'd prefer the juvenile dick-waving practiced by the former Admin.
 

Dari

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Yeh, I'm sure they'd prefer the juvenile dick-waving practiced by the former Admin.

If it meant their security was ensured, I'm sure they'd prefer Bush. With Obama, he would probably trade half of Asia for some more debt.
 

rockyct

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You are stupid, then. A lot of posters on this board and Republicans such as M. Romney have complained, since late winter, early spring '09 that the President apologizes too much and cavorts with our enemies. Personally, I think he enjoys it. Anyway, now Asians are seeing what we saw early on. In other word, the world is coming around to the real Obama.

I'd rather have Obama's humility than Bush's cowboy diplomacy.
 

Lemon law

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I do not see why we should jump on Dari for repeating the current GOP talking point that the Obamanis weak on China.

If anything Obama is light years ahead of GWB because Obama is doing something to stop our quagmire bleeding while continuing the same US China position that stated with Nixon.

And for all of us peeing our pants about selling the USA to China, your too damn late, that already happened years ago. As they say in that other song, Mr. Peabody's coal train done hauled it away in regards to Mulenburg County.

Nor can we blame China for doing the things that are long term good for China.

The USA did a similar thing to Europe starting a140 years ago and the USA reached its peak in the 20 years following WW2. But our balance of trade went into the red in 1980, and we continue to be a net debtor nation with no national resolve to kick our addiction to debt.

One day the USA field of dreams merry go round will come to a screeching halt, but both major US political parties are equally clueless and in total denial.

What good will it do to switch political parties after the fact of foreign foreclosure? As empty pop bottles is all they can kill.

Lord just take me back to Mulenberg county, where paradise lay. Sorry my son, you are too late in asking, Mr Peabody's coal train done hauled it away.

Ya I know, I will be assailed by the song police for garbling lyrics, but cheer up, you do not have to endure my actual singing voice. I have already been humiliated enough by the EPA in being forced to sign an consent agreement not to sing in public.
 

Moonbeam

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Here we go with the masculinity challenged claiming Obama's weak. If you hadn't been emasculated as a child Dari you wouldn't have these fears.
 

Capt Caveman

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Here we go with the masculinity challenged claiming Obama's weak. If you hadn't been emasculated as a child Dari you wouldn't have these fears.

Since, he gets scared by kids while running and feels the need for a gun. You're right on...
 

Siddhartha

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YAOIWT: Yet another Obama Is Weak thread. Is there a website for these articles or maybe ATP&N is? This seems to be a recurring theme around here.

Or could this be one of things were if people keep repeating the same thing it becomes more believable?
 
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Vic

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Yes. They are anti-G-d, anti-democratic, and anti-American supremacy. They are opponents of most of America's allies, including Japan, S. Korea, Taiwan, India, etc... They side with Venezuela, Russia, N. Korea, Cuba, etc...

So why then do we trade with them and by doing so make them rich and powerful?