As vets await checks, VA workers get $24M bonuses

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: xj0hnx
This is despicable. And still there's people that think this government can handle providing health insurance to the whole nation.

What is? That vets are awaiting checks (which btw has nothing to do with UHC) or that workers are getting bonuses (which btw has nothing to do with UHC). Your off topic rant on UHC has nothing to do with the topic.

 

[xj0hnx]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: xj0hnx
This is despicable. And still there's people that think this government can handle providing health insurance to the whole nation.

What is? That vets are awaiting checks (which btw has nothing to do with UHC) or that workers are getting bonuses (which btw has nothing to do with UHC). Your off topic rant on UHC has nothing to do with the topic.

There is no "rant" about UHC, you must be hallucinating. Why am I not surprised that even though it's right there in plain english your remain either cluelss, or purposefully dense?

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: xj0hnx

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: xj0hnx
This is despicable. And still there's people that think this government can handle providing health insurance to the whole nation.

What is? That vets are awaiting checks (which btw has nothing to do with UHC) or that workers are getting bonuses (which btw has nothing to do with UHC). Your off topic rant on UHC has nothing to do with the topic.

Why am I not surprised that even though it's right there in plain english your remain either cluelss, or purposefully dense?

Yeah OK xl0gicalfallacyx. So just because vets await checks and workers get bonuses the government can't provide health care. :roll: Yeah, yer a real smart feller. Have you ever worked in a VA Hospital? I have. It's one of the best run hospitals I have ever worked in and the patients all got top notch care there. It doesn't mean that the government can handle UHC because of it. Your post was and still is 100% LFBS

 

[Chunkee]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: xj0hnx

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: xj0hnx
This is despicable. And still there's people that think this government can handle providing health insurance to the whole nation.

What is? That vets are awaiting checks (which btw has nothing to do with UHC) or that workers are getting bonuses (which btw has nothing to do with UHC). Your off topic rant on UHC has nothing to do with the topic.

Why am I not surprised that even though it's right there in plain english your remain either cluelss, or purposefully dense?

Yeah OK xl0gicalfallacyx. So just because vets await checks and workers get bonuses the government can't provide health care. :roll: Yeah, yer a real smart feller. Have you ever worked in a VA Hospital? I have. It's one of the best run hospitals I have ever worked in and the patients all got top notch care there. It doesn't mean that the government can handle UHC because of it. Your post was and still is 100% LFBS

That is curious, most VA hospitals I have been in are not so great.

 

[ZeGermans]

Hopefully this will discourage people from joining the military or seriously look in to the atrocities they will be forced to commit if they do.

 

[postmortemIA]

'Efficient' government spends on itself the money it granted itself.

There's no way that this system can ever work the way it is set up. Government has no competition, and gets paid anyways, regardless of how poor job they do. What's their incentive to do the good job?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Chunkee

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: xj0hnx

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: xj0hnx
This is despicable. And still there's people that think this government can handle providing health insurance to the whole nation.

What is? That vets are awaiting checks (which btw has nothing to do with UHC) or that workers are getting bonuses (which btw has nothing to do with UHC). Your off topic rant on UHC has nothing to do with the topic.

Why am I not surprised that even though it's right there in plain english your remain either cluelss, or purposefully dense?

Yeah OK xl0gicalfallacyx. So just because vets await checks and workers get bonuses the government can't provide health care. :roll: Yeah, yer a real smart feller. Have you ever worked in a VA Hospital? I have. It's one of the best run hospitals I have ever worked in and the patients all got top notch care there. It doesn't mean that the government can handle UHC because of it. Your post was and still is 100% LFBS

That is curious, most VA hospitals I have been in are not so great.

3 of 4 that I have had to interact with over the years have been quality.
Miami, Vegas and North Hampton all have been positive.

Not impressed with Boston

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: ZeGermans
Hopefully this will discourage people from joining the military or seriously look in to the atrocities they will be forced to commit if they do.

You should be glad that you did not have to learn Japaneses or Russian either

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: ZeGermans
Hopefully this will discourage people from joining the military or seriously look in to the atrocities they will be forced to commit if they do.

You should be glad that you did not have to learn Japaneses or Russian either

Why, do Japanese and Russians go broke and die due to Rich you live, poor you die Health Death system like the U.S.?

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: Chunkee

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: xj0hnx

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: xj0hnx
This is despicable. And still there's people that think this government can handle providing health insurance to the whole nation.

What is? That vets are awaiting checks (which btw has nothing to do with UHC) or that workers are getting bonuses (which btw has nothing to do with UHC). Your off topic rant on UHC has nothing to do with the topic.

Why am I not surprised that even though it's right there in plain english your remain either cluelss, or purposefully dense?

Yeah OK xl0gicalfallacyx. So just because vets await checks and workers get bonuses the government can't provide health care. :roll: Yeah, yer a real smart feller. Have you ever worked in a VA Hospital? I have. It's one of the best run hospitals I have ever worked in and the patients all got top notch care there. It doesn't mean that the government can handle UHC because of it. Your post was and still is 100% LFBS

That is curious, most VA hospitals I have been in are not so great.

3 of 4 that I have had to interact with over the years have been quality.
Miami, Vegas and North Hampton all have been positive.

Not impressed with Boston

I'll add the one in Ann Arbor next to the U of M Medical Center to the list . Top notch VA hospital there.

 

[shortylickens]

Yeah, on more than one occasion I've had my check arrive a month late. No one does anything. I call and complain, they say they'll look into it.
Last few times I was at the VA hospital in DC have been a mess. They took three months to get my lab results back to me and they didnt actually help with information or diagnosis or suggestions for treatment or anything.
I'd like to do more stuff from the Alexandria location but that place is just a tiny clinic and cant do much. They always refer me to the big hospital. I'm not suprised that veterans who've done well for themselves prefer private care.

 

[ZeGermans]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
You should be glad that you did not have to learn Japaneses or Russian either

The soviet union was a boogyman used by conservatives to scare people. They're quite happy they have a new one in the form of "terrorism". And don't equate the one time in history we barely had the moral high ground in a war with what the military has done every other time.

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: ZeGermans

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
You should be glad that you did not have to learn Japaneses or Russian either

The soviet union was a boogyman used by conservatives to scare people. They're quite happy they have a new one in the form of "terrorism". And don't equate the one time in history we barely had the moral high ground in a war with what the military has done every other time.

Can you actually post anything of use or you still trying for your Troll status?

Tell the people of Eastern Europe how much of a boogyman the Soviet Union was. Maybe you should remind the families of the dead from 9/11 how much of a boogyman "terrorism" is.

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: xj0hnx
This is despicable. And still there's people that think this government can handle providing health insurance to the whole nation.

And yet, there are plenty of people willing to accept care from a government VA hospital if it were offered to them. This kind of corruption in the VA is nothing compared to modern-day for profit hospitals and insurance companies. Besides, at least the rest of us voters have some measure of oversight to correct/rectify these. You can't say that when it comes to a private health insurance company and/or hospital system...

Offer anything to someone for "free" and they'll want it. What's your point? You probably have just as much control with your $$ over private insurers, as you do with your vote over the federal government.

Recall what the last Presidential election taught us, that the price-tag of their clothes is of more importance than their positions on health care.

I'll cede your last point about the presidential election. I disagree however that healthcare is a 'want' that people flock after just because it is 'free'. It is certainly not free, and I don't claim it should be. (inexpensive out of pocket, yes, but not free). Healthcare is a need, and very very few people actually want to hang out in a doctor's office when they could be doing other things...

The part you put about having more control with your dollars than your vote doesn't sit well with me either. That could be another topic of discussion altogether and my neffing time is short right now.

 

[b0mbrman]

Did anyone genuinely care about this?

There's a hearing coming up about these bonuses in the Veterans subcommittee on oversight & investigations on September 23.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Did anyone genuinely care about this?

There's a hearing coming up about these bonuses in the Veterans subcommittee on oversight & investigations on September 23.

It looks as if a handful of VA employees in 2007 and 2008 (Robert Howard, Jennifer S. Duncan & Katherine Adair Martinez), and possibly others, have some 'splainin' to do for bonuses beyond the norm, questionable travel practices, and maybe even gratuitous inter-office hanky-panky.

The article noted: "" In 2007 alone, 4,700 employees were awarded bonuses, on average $2,500 each. ""

An average bonus of $2,500 each may or may not be exceptionally out-of-line for performance or longevity pay. I don't know ---- that's like 2 weeks pay on an average salary of $65k.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: xj0hnx
This is despicable. And still there's people that think this government can handle providing health insurance to the whole nation.

the local blue cross is in deep shit for giving 15m in bonuses to its executives. Clearly this is a phenomenon limited to government.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Did anyone genuinely care about this?

There's a hearing coming up about these bonuses in the Veterans subcommittee on oversight & investigations on September 23.

I do, not for myself but for people i know.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: Chunkee

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: xj0hnx

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: xj0hnx
This is despicable. And still there's people that think this government can handle providing health insurance to the whole nation.

What is? That vets are awaiting checks (which btw has nothing to do with UHC) or that workers are getting bonuses (which btw has nothing to do with UHC). Your off topic rant on UHC has nothing to do with the topic.

Why am I not surprised that even though it's right there in plain english your remain either cluelss, or purposefully dense?

Yeah OK xl0gicalfallacyx. So just because vets await checks and workers get bonuses the government can't provide health care. :roll: Yeah, yer a real smart feller. Have you ever worked in a VA Hospital? I have. It's one of the best run hospitals I have ever worked in and the patients all got top notch care there. It doesn't mean that the government can handle UHC because of it. Your post was and still is 100% LFBS

That is curious, most VA hospitals I have been in are not so great.

3 of 4 that I have had to interact with over the years have been quality.
Miami, Vegas and North Hampton all have been positive.

Not impressed with Boston

I usually point to these two studies, although they've become slightly more dated.

New England Journal of Medicine - http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/348/22/2218
Conclusions: The quality of care in the VA health care system substantially improved after the implementation of a systemwide reengineering and, during the period from 1997 through 2000, was significantly better than that in the Medicare fee-for-service program. These data suggest that the quality-improvement initiatives adopted by the VA in the mid-1990s were effective.

Annals of Medicine - http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/full/141/4/272
Conclusions: Diabetes processes of care and 2 of 3 intermediate outcomes were better for patients in the VA system than for patients in commercial managed care. However, both VA and commercial managed care had room for improvement, especially for blood pressure control.

Does anyone have more recent studies?

 

[Pliablemoose]

Rather than see this as a failure, I'd like to point out that this was caught...

I know shit pulled in private sector would never have been caught or prosecuted, because there's less oversight and management would have moved heaven & earth to keep it quiet.