As vets await checks, VA workers get $24M bonuses

[Chunkee]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...pe/us_veterans_bonuses

I am certain no one will be shocked by this news report, as it seems status quo these days. We are on the brink of a Healthcare decision, where are government is going to assist in getting good treatment for all those who may not have it or are in jeopardy of losing it..as well as many other items.

But in the past, as well as now, I think a great example of how government "health care" does not work very well, is the treatment of our veterans.

This article is a blatant example of the lack of oversight and greed into the taxpayers coffers.

JC

 

[xj0hnx]

This is despicable. And still there's people that think this government can handle providing health insurance to the whole nation.

 

[JS80]

acting "as if she was given a blank checkbook"

welcome to government spending

 

[cubby1223]

It takes time for Obama to correct all of Bush's mistakes. He'll make it right. I trust Obama 100% with my tax monies.

 

[Engineer]

Not sure if Wall Street is following the government or the government is following Wall Street.

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: xj0hnx
This is despicable. And still there's people that think this government can handle providing health insurance to the whole nation.

And yet, there are plenty of people willing to accept care from a government VA hospital if it were offered to them. This kind of corruption in the VA is nothing compared to modern-day for profit hospitals and insurance companies. Besides, at least the rest of us voters have some measure of oversight to correct/rectify these. You can't say that when it comes to a private health insurance company and/or hospital system...

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: Engineer
Not sure if Wall Street is following the government or the government is following Wall Street.

More like holding hands and skipping together all the way to the bank...

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: xj0hnx
This is despicable. And still there's people that think this government can handle providing health insurance to the whole nation.

Screwing over your customers and giving obscene bonuses to your employees, sounds like government is rivaling private sector insurance to me.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: xj0hnx
This is despicable. And still there's people that think this government can handle providing health insurance to the whole nation.

Like you, I don't think the government can or should run universal single payer health care either. Luckily for both of us, none of the bills in the House or Senate headed to the floor include provisions for single payer.

But I don't think the VA proves our point

The Veterans Health Administration (VHA) of the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) operates the Nation's largest health care delivery system with about 222,000 employees supporting its mission. It is also the largest provider of health care education and training for medical residents and other health care trainees in the United States. In FY2008, VHA provided medical care to approximately 5.6 million unique patients and spent approximately $43.5 billion for medical care and research.

New England Journal of Medicine - http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/348/22/2218

Conclusions: The quality of care in the VA health care system substantially improved after the implementation of a systemwide reengineering and, during the period from 1997 through 2000, was significantly better than that in the Medicare fee-for-service program. These data suggest that the quality-improvement initiatives adopted by the VA in the mid-1990s were effective.

Annals of Medicine - http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/full/141/4/272

Conclusions: Diabetes processes of care and 2 of 3 intermediate outcomes were better for patients in the VA system than for patients in commercial managed care. However, both VA and commercial managed care had room for improvement, especially for blood pressure control.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Engineer
Not sure if Wall Street is following the government or the government is following Wall Street.

Neither is following. They're both skipping merrily along holding hands.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: xj0hnx
This is despicable. And still there's people that think this government can handle providing health insurance to the whole nation.

And yet, there are plenty of people willing to accept care from a government VA hospital if it were offered to them. This kind of corruption in the VA is nothing compared to modern-day for profit hospitals and insurance companies. Besides, at least the rest of us voters have some measure of oversight to correct/rectify these. You can't say that when it comes to a private health insurance company and/or hospital system...

Offer anything to someone for "free" and they'll want it. What's your point? You probably have just as much control with your $$ over private insurers, as you do with your vote over the federal government.

Recall what the last Presidential election taught us, that the price-tag of their clothes is of more importance than their positions on health care.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Engineer
Not sure if Wall Street is following the government or the government is following Wall Street.

Neither is following. They're both skipping merrily along holding hands.

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: Engineer
Not sure if Wall Street is following the government or the government is following Wall Street.

More like holding hands and skipping together all the way to the bank...

Tee hee

 

[ZeGermans]

Originally posted by: xj0hnx
This is despicable. And still there's people that think this government can handle providing health insurance to the whole nation.

FYI republicans are generally the party that pass cuts to VA services while inexplicably still having the SUPPORT ARE TROOPS (sic) mantra. And all other first world governments handle single payer just fine

 

[KMFJD]

Originally posted by: xj0hnx
This is despicable. And still there's people that think this government can handle providing health insurance to the whole nation.

Other governments seem to do an ok job with it, maybe it's just the Us Government and the people that vote these same incompenent idiots into office over and over again.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: ZeGermans

Originally posted by: xj0hnx
This is despicable. And still there's people that think this government can handle providing health insurance to the whole nation.

FYI republicans are generally the party that pass cuts to VA services while inexplicably still having the SUPPORT ARE TROOPS (sic) mantra. And all other first world governments handle single payer just fine

Let me remind you just which party was in charge of the White House and Congress when Priority 8 vets got cut out of coverage

Let me also remind you which party's leaders tried to stop the new GI Bill

 

[ZeGermans]

Its really amazing that in spite of all of that shit your average american idiot thinks republicans care about soldiers for anything other than dying for their wargasms

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: ZeGermans
Its really amazing that in spite of all of that shit your average american idiot thinks republicans care about soldiers for anything other than dying for their wargasms

It's also amazing that you seem able to feed and dress yourself, much less operate a computer given your obvious mental disabilities. I'm really proud of you Corky.

 

[Brigandier]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: Engineer
Not sure if Wall Street is following the government or the government is following Wall Street.

More like holding hands and skipping together all the way to the bank...

Teddy Roosevelt made it his mission to break the hold of robber-barons on industry. With industry closed to them, what pursuit could these robber-barons exploit next?

 

[xj0hnx]

Originally posted by: KMFJD

Originally posted by: xj0hnx
This is despicable. And still there's people that think this government can handle providing health insurance to the whole nation.

Other governments seem to do an ok job with it, maybe it's just the Us Government and the people that vote these same incompenent idiots into office over and over again.

"Other countries", other countries are not America, they have different governments, social outlooks, what works in them may, or may not work in America, are you ready to possible sink our already faultering economy on a "maybe"?

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: ZeGermans
Its really amazing that in spite of all of that shit your average american idiot thinks republicans care about soldiers for anything other than dying for their wargasms

It's also amazing that you seem able to feed and dress yourself, much less operate a computer given your obvious mental disabilities. I'm really proud of you Corky.

lol

 

[ZeGermans]

Originally posted by: xj0hnx
"Other countries", other countries are not America, they have different governments, social outlooks, what works in them may, or may not work in America, are you ready to possible sink our already faultering economy on a "maybe"?

We are no different than any other first world country except we for some reason tolerate having right wing fascists be anything other than a fringe party to be laughed at.

 

[xj0hnx]

Originally posted by: ZeGermans

Originally posted by: xj0hnx
"Other countries", other countries are not America, they have different governments, social outlooks, what works in them may, or may not work in America, are you ready to possible sink our already faultering economy on a "maybe"?

We are no different than any other first world country except we for some reason tolerate having right wing fascists be anything other than a fringe party to be laughed at.

You've never been out of the basement have you?

 

[heyheybooboo]

Dubya: "Doin' a heckava job, Howie!"

 

[JKing106]

Originally posted by: Chunkee
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...pe/us_veterans_bonuses

I am certain no one will be shocked by this news report, as it seems status quo these days. We are on the brink of a Healthcare decision, where are government is going to assist in getting good treatment for all those who may not have it or are in jeopardy of losing it..as well as many other items.

But in the past, as well as now, I think a great example of how government "health care" does not work very well, is the treatment of our veterans.

This article is a blatant example of the lack of oversight and greed into the taxpayers coffers.

JC

Good, let's pull the plug on the VA and the VA related checks. It's obviously not working, so let's put that money into something useful: bombs.

 

[KMFJD]

Originally posted by: xj0hnx

Originally posted by: KMFJD

Originally posted by: xj0hnx
This is despicable. And still there's people that think this government can handle providing health insurance to the whole nation.

Other governments seem to do an ok job with it, maybe it's just the Us Government and the people that vote these same incompenent idiots into office over and over again.

"Other countries", other countries are not America, they have different governments, social outlooks, what works in them may, or may not work in America, are you ready to possible sink our already faultering economy on a "maybe"?

lol

How are American's so different from other 1st world countries? perhaps a bit more materialistic? (doubt it) The average canadian/european is not much different than an american in a lot of their beliefs and values.

 

[BoomerD]

I saw this story this morning.

The more things change...the more they stay the same.

FUCK the V.A.

It was my experience that they care more about themselves than they do the troops they are charged with caring for. It was that way when I came home from Vietnam, it's still the same today.

FUCK the V.A.