As much as I dislike Bush...

[Orsorum]

and as much as I disagree with a war with Iraq, I have to respect a president who takes a stand and sticks with it. One thing that always bugged me about Clinton is that he would never take a definite position on any issue - he would just say whatever people wanted to hear.

Affirmative Action

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: Zakath15
and as much as I disagree with a war with Iraq, I have to respect a president who takes a stand and sticks with it. One thing that always bugged me about Clinton is that he would never take a definite position on any issue - he would just say whatever people wanted to hear.

Affirmative Action

Sometimes taking a stand and sticking with it is like saying "I know i'm wrong but i will never admit it"

 

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by: Zakath15
and as much as I disagree with a war with Iraq, I have to respect a president who takes a stand and sticks with it. One thing that always bugged me about Clinton is that he would never take a definite position on any issue - he would just say whatever people wanted to hear.

Affirmative Action

Wow. This country might actually be coming to its senses. :Q


Lethal

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: Zakath15
and as much as I disagree with a war with Iraq, I have to respect a president who takes a stand and sticks with it. One thing that always bugged me about Clinton is that he would never take a definite position on any issue - he would just say whatever people wanted to hear.

Affirmative Action

Sometimes taking a stand and sticking with it is like saying "I know i'm wrong but i will never admit it"

so you're saying institutional racism is right? or are you not responding to the topic at hand?

 

[Novgrod]

I dunno; with both it seems to be 'politics as usual.'

As much as i dislike Clinton, I have to respect that he'd make an attempt to govern from the middle, while with bush, if you're a democrat, you don't matter.

 

[HappyPuppy]

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: Zakath15
and as much as I disagree with a war with Iraq, I have to respect a president who takes a stand and sticks with it. One thing that always bugged me about Clinton is that he would never take a definite position on any issue - he would just say whatever people wanted to hear.

Affirmative Action

Sometimes taking a stand and sticking with it is like saying "I know i'm wrong but i will never admit it"

Sometimes taking a stand and sticking with it is like saying, "I know I'm right and I'm going to follow through with what needs to be done no matter what anybody else says."

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: Zakath15
and as much as I disagree with a war with Iraq, I have to respect a president who takes a stand and sticks with it. One thing that always bugged me about Clinton is that he would never take a definite position on any issue - he would just say whatever people wanted to hear.

Affirmative Action

Sometimes taking a stand and sticking with it is like saying "I know i'm wrong but i will never admit it"

Sometimes taking a stand and sticking with it is like saying, "I know I'm right and I'm going to follow through with what needs to be done no matter what anybody else says."

Yup... that's why i said sometimes...

 

[her209]

I guess this makes feeding lies and propaganda to the public right?

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: Zakath15
and as much as I disagree with a war with Iraq, I have to respect a president who takes a stand and sticks with it. One thing that always bugged me about Clinton is that he would never take a definite position on any issue - he would just say whatever people wanted to hear.

Affirmative Action

Sometimes taking a stand and sticking with it is like saying "I know i'm wrong but i will never admit it"

so you're saying institutional racism is right? or are you not responding to the topic at hand?

Nope, just making a general observation... I'm against all sorts of Affirmative Action...

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Zakath15
and as much as I disagree with a war with Iraq, I have to respect a president who takes a stand and sticks with it. One thing that always bugged me about Clinton is that he would never take a definite position on any issue - he would just say whatever people wanted to hear.

Affirmative Action

Damn the Torpedoes, full speed ahead

But wait you quoted a site showing Bush is doing what the pubilc wants to hear?



What's the diff?

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: Zakath15
and as much as I disagree with a war with Iraq, I have to respect a president who takes a stand and sticks with it. One thing that always bugged me about Clinton is that he would never take a definite position on any issue - he would just say whatever people wanted to hear.

Affirmative Action

Damn the Torpedoes, full speed ahead

But wait you quoted a site showing Bush is doing what the pubilc wants to hear?



What's the diff?

The difference is, he did it before the poll was taken.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: her209
I guess this makes feeding lies and propaganda to the public right?

Such as?

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: Zakath15
and as much as I disagree with a war with Iraq, I have to respect a president who takes a stand and sticks with it. One thing that always bugged me about Clinton is that he would never take a definite position on any issue - he would just say whatever people wanted to hear.

Affirmative Action

Damn the Torpedoes, full speed ahead

But wait you quoted a site showing Bush is doing what the pubilc wants to hear?



What's the diff?

The difference is, he did it before the poll was taken.

Sure he did

 

[etech]

Carbonyl

Sure he did

Would you like to back that up? Go back and look at the speeches he gave during the election. Now tell me when this poll was taken.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: etech
Carbonyl

Sure he did

Would you like to back that up? Go back and look at the speeches he gave during the election. Now tell me when this poll was taken.

You don't think he does internal polling before any decision is made? They all do it. All you need for evidence is to look at what he does when and if it is or is'nt in-line with pubic opinon. I got one show me one thing he has done against poplular setiment...Canpain contributions don't count.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: etech
Carbonyl

Sure he did

Would you like to back that up? Go back and look at the speeches he gave during the election. Now tell me when this poll was taken.

You don't think he does internal polling before any decision is made? They all do it. All you need for evidence is to look at what he does when and if it is or is'nt in-line with pubic opinon. I got one show me one thing he has done against poplular setiment...Canpain contributions don't count.

Economic stimulus plan.

 

[Grasshopper27]

Originally posted by: Zakath15
and as much as I disagree with a war with Iraq, I have to respect a president who takes a stand and sticks with it. One thing that always bugged me about Clinton is that he would never take a definite position on any issue - he would just say whatever people wanted to hear.

Amen to that...

Bush may not always be right, and he isn't the sharpest stick on the tree, but he speaks from the heart, knows what he believes in, and sticks to it.

When he is reading from scripts, he comes across as fake. When he adlibs from the heart, he sometimes stumbles on the words, but you can tell he means what he says.

Do you remember when he was at Ground Zero with the rescue workers giving the speach from the bullhorn? He was giving some boring prepared speach without any excitement when one of the workers said, "we can't hear you".

He turned to him and responded in a loud and clear voice, "I can hear you!" and pointed to him. "I can hear you, the rest of the world hears you, and pretty soon, the people who knocked these buildings down are going to hear from all of us!"

He got a roaring cheer from the crowd and that was one of those times when you knew he was just speaking from the heart.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: LethalWolfe

Originally posted by: Zakath15
and as much as I disagree with a war with Iraq, I have to respect a president who takes a stand and sticks with it. One thing that always bugged me about Clinton is that he would never take a definite position on any issue - he would just say whatever people wanted to hear.

Affirmative Action

Wow. This country might actually be coming to its senses. :Q


Lethal

Yea that 1000 people really represents the 280-300 million in this country.

"Some black Republicans, including Secretary of State Colin L. Powell and National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, have said affirmative action enabled them to get a foot in the door, after which their own merit advanced them to the top."

Obviously not everyone agrees with Bush, who I think is a pos. He has accomplished nothing.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: etech
Carbonyl

Sure he did

Would you like to back that up? Go back and look at the speeches he gave during the election. Now tell me when this poll was taken.

You don't think he does internal polling before any decision is made? They all do it. All you need for evidence is to look at what he does when and if it is or is'nt in-line with pubic opinon. I got one show me one thing he has done against poplular setiment...Canpain contributions don't count.

Economic stimulus plan.

As bad as it is not even that one went unpolled and is favorable.



voters opt for the Bush plan by a 52-41% margin over the Congressional Democrat plan.
Only about one in six Americans have paid close attention to the proposals, and opinion is about evenly divided on whether they should be passed into law

 

[HendrixFan]

Clinton always took a stand for what he firmly believed in. Thats precisely why so many Republicans despise him, he wasnt the kind of President that waffled and bartered. He didnt give an inch. Have the budget fights slipped out of everybody's minds?

The perception I get from this thread of Bush greatly differs from what Ive seen of him as governer here in Texas, and now as President. Bush is generally an okay guy, likely a fun guy to "hang" with. From bits and pieces of off the cuff remarks the past 8 years or so, Ive gathered that he is alot more moderate than his policy. When he doesnt have a script in front of him he is a conservative moderate. With the backing of some of the top brass Republicans, Bush is a compassionate frontman for their strong legislation.

Edit: Its worth adding that the majority was against Civil Rights in the 60s, and the majority is still against homosexuals in today's enviroment. Being in the majority isnt an indication of being right.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: HendrixFan
Clinton always took a stand for what he firmly believed in. Thats precisely why so many Republicans despise him, he wasnt the kind of President that waffled and bartered. He didnt give an inch. Have the budget fights slipped out of everybody's minds?

The perception I get from this thread of Bush greatly differs from what Ive seen of him as governer here in Texas, and now as President. Bush is generally an okay guy, likely a fun guy to "hang" with. From bits and pieces of off the cuff remarks the past 8 years or so, Ive gathered that he is alot more moderate than his policy. When he doesnt have a script in front of him he is a conservative moderate. With the backing of some of the top brass Republicans, Bush is a compassionate frontman for their strong legislation.

Edit: Its worth adding that the majority was against Civil Rights in the 60s, and the majority is still against homosexuals in today's enviroment. Being in the majority isnt an indication of being right.

Might makes right. Everthing else is noise.

 

[Novgrod]

Clinton always took a stand for what he firmly believed in. Thats precisely why so many Republicans despise him, he wasnt the kind of President that waffled and bartered. He didnt give an inch. Have the budget fights slipped out of everybody's minds?

Oh yeah, universal health care, down the drain. Humanitarian campaign in somalia, down the drain.


Clinton friggin' polled to figure out the most popular spot for a vacation, so he'd know where to go. You can like the policies, but don't make him some hero of stalwart politics.

 

[HendrixFan]

Universal health care is actually an example that proves my point. Where were you in 94? Dont you remember Clinton pushing it even though the polls told him the nation wasnt ready for it? Remember Republicans retaking Congress as a result of his pushing health care even though polls told him not to? Remember the subsequent SIX YEARS in which he had to fight and scrap with Congress to get his agenda through, because he lost the 94 elections by being to forward about universal health care?

Or were you just pulling my chain?

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: Zakath15
and as much as I disagree with a war with Iraq, I have to respect a president who takes a stand and sticks with it. One thing that always bugged me about Clinton is that he would never take a definite position on any issue - he would just say whatever people wanted to hear.

Affirmative Action

Sometimes taking a stand and sticking with it is like saying "I know i'm wrong but i will never admit it"

Sometimes taking a stand and sticking with it is like saying, "I know I'm right and I'm going to follow through with what needs to be done no matter what anybody else says."

This admin does not appear to listen to the polls much

 

[JellyBaby]

Clinton always took a stand for what he firmly believed in.

Hmmm, that's not how I remember it. His thumb was in the wind searching for the latest poll numbers with the weasel Dick Morris ever whispering in his ear (surpassed by other weasels later of course).