As for half the new testament being forged

Onceler

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I don't believe a word that Paul or his follows said. He was the usurper of Christianity.
 

piasabird

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So this is your opinion? The whole point of Christianity is that people can change. People often change. Alcoholics sometimes seem able to change almost overnight. They will be alcoholics for years and then something happens and they dont have an alcoholic drink the rest of their lives. Nothing is this open and closed.

Why doth though kick against the pricks?
 

piasabird

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You should know that people that have not actually read the Bible in its intirety, have no clue as to what you are talking about.
 

Brigandier

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Jesus asked Judas to turn him in.

It's the only way the entire plan could come to conclusion.
 
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I'd say that except for the historical events it's ALL forged and lots of those historical events were thrown in long after the original texts were written.

It doesn't matter much to those willing to believe in it though but that there are events that are described that happened after they were "written" isn't a sign of true prophecy, it's a sign that someone fiddled with the texts long after they were written.

Oh, and Jesus was strung up on a pole, not a cross, i think that one is common knowledge by now but it's just one example.
 

Lemon law

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What we have now are translations of translation of the original new testament. If if we sometimes come up with originals, often written in Greek or Hebrew, the original meaning of words change a great deal in 2000 years. And the Roman Catholic church has, for political reasons, done much to wall paper away must of the original disagreement.

Later on people like Weycliff and others, often at great risk to their lives, took on the job of translating the Bible from Latin to English. And in so doing took the editorial freedom to add in a sense of poetry and uplifting syntax. And as the bible has been also been translated into every language on the planet, more original content has been lost.

As someone whose beliefs are basically atheist, and as someone who believes the bible was written by scribes not inspired from God, I still have to say, looking for scapegoats to blame, gets us nowhere.

No matter how hard I try to poo poo the Bible or the Koran, or other religions, they have all been, too a large extent, a comfort to their faithful. Nor can I say in any way, Islam is a religion of war or that the Jewish or Christian bible is a message of peace. In all three you can find passages that justify war and conquest, and at the same time find messages to the contrary.

As Gandhi said, I like the messages of Jesus Christ, too bad they are not practiced by today's Christians.

Bottom line in my mind, we can look to find the the villains who lost the original meanings, but the real culprit is human nature.
 

MotF Bane

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You should know that people that have not actually read the Bible in its intirety, have no clue as to what you are talking about.

In that case, many christians have no clue what they are talking about. (is that redundant?)

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JulesMaximus

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I don't believe a word that Paul or his follows said. He was the usurper of Christianity.

Here endeth the lesson.

Let us praise God.

Oh Lord, oooh you are so big. So absolutely huge. Gosh, we’re all really impressed down here I can tell you. Forgive us, O Lord, for this dreadful toadying and barefaced flattery. But you are so strong and, well, just so super. Fantastic. Amen
 

Scotteq

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Question for the Philosophers here: How it is possible to "Forge" something that was Made Up in the first place?

Though, as far as the Church is concerned, they settled which stories were acceptable and which were not in 325 AD.
 

Lemon law

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Question for the Philosophers here: How it is possible to "Forge" something that was Made Up in the first place?

Though, as far as the Church is concerned, they settled which stories were acceptable and which were not in 325 AD.
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Gotta love the Scottteg response, because as soon as the Christians decided which versions were politically correct and which not, they started that grand Christian traditions of burning heretics at the stake. The Romans maybe had it better, at least the lions in the arena got a meal out of it. Silly Christians, they started all this man made climate change by releasing all that CO2 into the atmosphere.
 

Scotteq

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Gotta love the Scottteg response, because as soon as the Christians decided which versions were politically correct and which not, they started that grand Christian traditions of burning heretics at the stake. The Romans maybe had it better, at least the lions in the arena got a meal out of it. Silly Christians, they started all this man made climate change by releasing all that CO2 into the atmosphere.


Meh - Pretty sure the Christians simply adapated the preexisting system.

I mean - No need to reinvent the wheel entirely when you can adapt it to make a rack!
 
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Question for the Philosophers here: How it is possible to "Forge" something that was Made Up in the first place?

Though, as far as the Church is concerned, they settled which stories were acceptable and which were not in 325 AD.

It's possible to forge any written testament, you know that.

Well they decided once then but our bible of today bears very little resemblance to those accepted texts, mostly because of politics of Rome and strange translations.
 

Scotteq

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It's possible to forge any written testament, you know that.

Well they decided once then but our bible of today bears very little resemblance to those accepted texts, mostly because of politics of Rome and strange translations.


I do know that :)


But a little friendly Nef never hurts, either. ;)
 

AnonymouseUser

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Oh, and Jesus was strung up on a pole, not a cross, i think that one is common knowledge by now but it's just one example.

While criminals at the time Jesus allegedly lived were hung on poles, the story of Jesus uses a cross because He is an anthropomorphism of the sun, where the cross of the zodiac is relevant.

Never forget that the story of Jesus is just that, a story. ;)