As Bush prepares to leave office...

[WHAMPOM]

AH! Bush! The wrong man at the wrong time, the wrong place, the wrong job. Able to make a sow's ear out of a silk purse. Can reach into a bucket of gems and come up with a handful of mud. "Welcome to Walmart" would of been his level of competence and better for the nation. Happy now, B1?

edit: Bush turned a liberation into an occupation and that into a war on terror. While causing more civilian deaths and damage then the deposed dictator.

 

[HomerJS]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I know all of you live in this fantasy land where you can make decisions in 100% 20/20 hindsight.. but it doesn't work that way in real life. As President you have to make tough decisions based on the information you have. Once you decide to invade a country you can't just decide to pull out overnight. Most congressman made the same mistakes a Bush did. I know most of you would just sit in the oval office and pass the joint around and hope for world peace.. but the world doesn't work that way.

Obama will make TONS of mistakes as well, and he likely won't admit them either until the very end, if even then. He will also likely make decisions that will cost the lives of 100's if not thousands of U.S. troops as well during his 4-8 years as President. People will likely do stupid things under his command as well (Abu Graib).

We'll see over the next 4 years if Obama is the Great Messiah everyone thinks he is. I think he will find that actually having to make decisions will be a lot more difficult than voting present and writing memoirs. Lets see if he is actually up to the challenge to lead and not just give speeches that make women faint. I doubt Iran is going to faint when he talks to them about giving up their nuclear program.

Name one person who said he is.

Second I know some of you guys think Jimmy carter was the worst President but I have one question, in the last 100 years name a bigger self inflicted catastrophe then the Iraq war.

 

[BMW540I6speed]

Once again he had regrets about things that made him look bad, not about his actions that lead to genuine suffering to other people. You'd think after eight years he'd have some insight that his actions have caused pain to others, but he's not grown at all inside.

The President of the United States laughing at himself during his final press conference: embarrassing, sad or just another show of the abundance of arrogance in our country? As a nation we are in dire straits on several levels and he remarks that he never felt the ?burden? of the office, and makes an unapologetic statement that he did not ?listen to the loud voices.? Let's hope that future leaders, both in the public and private sectors, will take their roles more seriously.

 

[filetitan]

George Bush totally screwed over the American people with his lies and poor decision making. He should be court marshaled.

 

[marincounty]

I saw some guy on CNN saying this: "I'll give Bush credit for one thing, utterly destroying
the Republican party". :thumbsup:

 

[Lemon law]

Maybe I am alone, I watched the same news conference you did, but the thing that sent me vomiting to the toilet was his poor little ole me acting job basically saying he just happened to be the poor unfortunate President who had an economic meltdown occur on his watch.

Pardon me, GWB, it just seemed to me that you still remain clueless, if you think your policies had nothing to do with the resulting economic meltdown.

The new more reflective GWB, same as the old less humbler GWB we all knew. Nothing has changed in his mind other than he still lacks any insight. But I still have to give him an A+++ for denial.

 

[Red Dawn]

I remember when he was first elected how his Cabinet was labeled the Dream Team. Turned out to be Nightmare on Elm St.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: HomerJS

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I know all of you live in this fantasy land where you can make decisions in 100% 20/20 hindsight.. but it doesn't work that way in real life. As President you have to make tough decisions based on the information you have. Once you decide to invade a country you can't just decide to pull out overnight. Most congressman made the same mistakes a Bush did. I know most of you would just sit in the oval office and pass the joint around and hope for world peace.. but the world doesn't work that way.

Obama will make TONS of mistakes as well, and he likely won't admit them either until the very end, if even then. He will also likely make decisions that will cost the lives of 100's if not thousands of U.S. troops as well during his 4-8 years as President. People will likely do stupid things under his command as well (Abu Graib).

We'll see over the next 4 years if Obama is the Great Messiah everyone thinks he is. I think he will find that actually having to make decisions will be a lot more difficult than voting present and writing memoirs. Lets see if he is actually up to the challenge to lead and not just give speeches that make women faint. I doubt Iran is going to faint when he talks to them about giving up their nuclear program.

Name one person who said he is.

Second I know some of you guys think Jimmy carter was the worst President but I have one question, in the last 100 years name a bigger self inflicted catastrophe then the Iraq war.

Europe's ignoring of the Germany problem (Twice)? Or if you want a U.S. example, how about getting involved in the Vietnam war?

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Zebo
His biggest mistake was not studying, and his staff not studying, what is contained in the Qur?an and Hadith, and what General Muhammad, that Perfect Man always and everywhere to be emulated by Muslims. Realizing their behavior is a threat to all non-Muslims and Muslims alike everywhere, they would have only entered to destroy weapons, and not to rebuild, reconstruct, or otherwise attempt in Iraq or Afghanistan to create an impossible ?new Middle East.? So many lives could have been saved, so much treasure reserved for the inevitable next attack. Instead he disarms the West with "religion of peace" mantra, very dangerous and irresponsible.

So what you're saying is that we should just enter Muslim countries to destroy them for no apparent reason and not fix them back up again?

 

[0marTheZealot]

Originally posted by: Zebo
His biggest mistake was not studying, and his staff not studying, what is contained in the Qur?an and Hadith, and what General Muhammad, that Perfect Man always and everywhere to be emulated by Muslims. Realizing their behavior is a threat to all non-Muslims and Muslims alike everywhere, they would have only entered to destroy weapons, and not to rebuild, reconstruct, or otherwise attempt in Iraq or Afghanistan to create an impossible ?new Middle East.? So many lives could have been saved, so much treasure reserved for the inevitable next attack. Instead he disarms the West with "religion of peace" mantra, very dangerous and irresponsible.

dude, you're fucking retarded. First off, you have no idea how the Qu'ran is intrepreted. It's not as simple as reading a translation, there's a whole historical context that also must be understood. There's also the concept of abrogation, in which certain verses no longer apply but are left in for a historical context.

Secondly, the Torah has just as many violent, alienating verses as well. I mean, technically, anyone working on the Sabbath should be stoned, anyone who questions priests should be put to death, etc etc.

The number one reason why Islam is targetted today is because of disenfranchisement. If you knew the history of the region in the modern era, the causes of terrorism would be apparent to you. Before the modern era, there was no such thing as Islamic terrorism. However, there was a lot of Jewish terrorism in Russia and in Europe because they were a disenfranchised people and certain groups took advantage of that.

So really, get your head outta your ass, and use a little critical thinking whenever you make a post.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: Zebo
His biggest mistake was not studying, and his staff not studying, what is contained in the Qur?an and Hadith, and what General Muhammad, that Perfect Man always and everywhere to be emulated by Muslims. Realizing their behavior is a threat to all non-Muslims and Muslims alike everywhere, they would have only entered to destroy weapons, and not to rebuild, reconstruct, or otherwise attempt in Iraq or Afghanistan to create an impossible ?new Middle East.? So many lives could have been saved, so much treasure reserved for the inevitable next attack. Instead he disarms the West with "religion of peace" mantra, very dangerous and irresponsible.

dude, you're fucking retarded. First off, you have no idea how the Qu'ran is intrepreted. It's not as simple as reading a translation, there's a whole historical context that also must be understood. There's also the concept of abrogation, in which certain verses no longer apply but are left in for a historical context.

Secondly, the Torah has just as many violent, alienating verses as well. I mean, technically, anyone working on the Sabbath should be stoned, anyone who questions priests should be put to death, etc etc.

The number one reason why Islam is targetted today is because of disenfranchisement. If you knew the history of the region in the modern era, the causes of terrorism would be apparent to you. Before the modern era, there was no such thing as Islamic terrorism. However, there was a lot of Jewish terrorism in Russia and in Europe because they were a disenfranchised people and certain groups took advantage of that.

So really, get your head outta your ass, and use a little critical thinking whenever you make a post.

Your post came across as anti-semitic with no basis in reality.

Mohommed wrote the Koran after he had a dream. One man. He had 20+ wives. How can one guy write a book that refutes the Bible which was written by many people who all wrote a cohesive message interwoven within the book? I'm sorry, but I trust the writings of 20+ prophets over the lunatic scrawl that is the Koran, written by a man that was more than likely mentally ill living in a cave all alone.

I do not respect a religion which condones murder within its own doctrine.

 

[ericlp]

Since when does LIEING qualify for a mistake?

 

[ericlp]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Bush is no where near the worst President ever, not even close.

When all is said and done expect him to be in the lower third just about Jimmy Carter.

The long term outcome of Iraq could easily move him up or down the list as well.

Bush was the worst fucking tard to have ever been in office. And you voted for him twice. Where does that put you?????

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: ericlp

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Bush is no where near the worst President ever, not even close.

When all is said and done expect him to be in the lower third just about Jimmy Carter.

The long term outcome of Iraq could easily move him up or down the list as well.

Bush was the worst fucking tard to have ever been in office. And you voted for him twice. Where does that put you?????

Great American?

 

[0marTheZealot]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: Zebo
His biggest mistake was not studying, and his staff not studying, what is contained in the Qur?an and Hadith, and what General Muhammad, that Perfect Man always and everywhere to be emulated by Muslims. Realizing their behavior is a threat to all non-Muslims and Muslims alike everywhere, they would have only entered to destroy weapons, and not to rebuild, reconstruct, or otherwise attempt in Iraq or Afghanistan to create an impossible ?new Middle East.? So many lives could have been saved, so much treasure reserved for the inevitable next attack. Instead he disarms the West with "religion of peace" mantra, very dangerous and irresponsible.

dude, you're fucking retarded. First off, you have no idea how the Qu'ran is intrepreted. It's not as simple as reading a translation, there's a whole historical context that also must be understood. There's also the concept of abrogation, in which certain verses no longer apply but are left in for a historical context.

Secondly, the Torah has just as many violent, alienating verses as well. I mean, technically, anyone working on the Sabbath should be stoned, anyone who questions priests should be put to death, etc etc.

The number one reason why Islam is targetted today is because of disenfranchisement. If you knew the history of the region in the modern era, the causes of terrorism would be apparent to you. Before the modern era, there was no such thing as Islamic terrorism. However, there was a lot of Jewish terrorism in Russia and in Europe because they were a disenfranchised people and certain groups took advantage of that.

So really, get your head outta your ass, and use a little critical thinking whenever you make a post.

Your post came across as anti-semitic with no basis in reality.

Mohommed wrote the Koran after he had a dream. One man. He had 20+ wives. How can one guy write a book that refutes the Bible which was written by many people who all wrote a cohesive message interwoven within the book? I'm sorry, but I trust the writings of 20+ prophets over the lunatic scrawl that is the Koran, written by a man that was more than likely mentally ill living in a cave all alone.

I do not respect a religion which condones murder within its own doctrine.

Do you not understand history?

King David had 8 wives and dozens more concubines.

King Solomon had 700 wives and hundreds more concubines.

This was history, people at the top had massive access to women.

Secondly, the Torah prescribes the death penalty for anyone breaking the Sabbath, which would also include Christians, since Jesus Christ never said the Torah was obsolete, in fact, he said it was completely binding for all time. It was only Paul that said the Torah no longer applied to Gentiles, but that has no basis in actual scripture. The Torah also prescribes the death penalty to a host of many other actions, both major and minor. Finally, the Torah encourages the genocide of many different peoples, including the Caanities, in which God himself tells the Israelites to murder the indigenous people down to the last man and put the women/children into slavery.

These are historical documents as well as being religious texts. Furthermore, most of the violent lyrics in the Qu'ran have been abrogated by later verses, only a few remain binding, especially those dealing with oppression and unjust behavior. I am sure, if I was more well versed in the Torah/Old Testament, a similar argument would be made for abandoning most of the proclaimants in the Old Testament.

 

[Kanalua]

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[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Kanalua
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