As America sits out, the world is moving on in trade, national security, climate change

yllus

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As a Canadian, it's occurred to me that America's stepping away from world leadership is in some ways an opportunity for the rest of the world. In ways small and large, those opportunities are being taken; the article I've pasted portions of below mentions a couple of key areas.

Personally, I've known about TPP and the Paris climate agreement (and my country's participation in both), but the European Intervention Initiative is new to me and incredibly fascinating. It's something that's been talked about since just after World War II - no less than Winston Churchill has called for the idea. An EU military would be an awesome force to behold and could easily counter the likes of Russia. And on free trade, I like the idea of my country diversifying from just trading with the U.S. and getting Canada-EU and Canada-TPP trade really rolling.

War Is Boring - The World Turns … Without America

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Trade

In January 2017, on his first day in office, Trump promptly withdrew the United States from the long-negotiated 12-nation Trans-Pacific Partnership pact, deeply disappointing among others a close ally, Japanese prime minister Shinzo Abe. He had assiduously curried favor with Trump as soon as he was elected, on and off the golf course. A day earlier in January, Abe had even succeeded in getting his own parliament to approve the agreement.

But in an act by Washington’s allies unprecedented in the last seven decades, Abe, along with the leaders of the 10 other countries in that pact — Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore and Vietnam — refused to take Trump’s executive order as TPP’s death sentence. Instead, in a groundbreaking step into a new world, they resumed negotiations on the pact in the Chilean city of Viña del Mar.

In March 2018, after months of deliberation, they signed the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership in Chile’s capital city, Santiago. For the signatories, it reduces tariffs drastically, while introducing sweeping new trade rules in markets covering half a billion people on either side of the Pacific Ocean.

This was a landmark event, inaugurating an era in which countries long accustomed to following cues from Washington forged ahead without its participation. In doing so, they rejected Trump’s view of trade as a zero-sum game, consisting of winners and losers. Reflecting the common perception of the signatories, Chilean president Michelle Bachelet said, “We need to stay on the course of globalization, yet learning from our past mistakes.”

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Iranian Sanctions

In May 2018, when Donald Trump exited the multilateral Iran denuclearization deal endorsed by the United Nations Security Council, Juncker was equally strident in his criticism of him. The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, which had been signed in July 2015 by six world powers — America, Britain, China, France, Germany and Russia — and the E.U., was being implemented as specified in the document.

On Aug. 7, 2018, U.S. sanctions went into effect on any financial transactions involving American dollars relating to Iran’s automotive sector, purchases of commercial planes, and metals, including gold. The European Commission, the executive arm of the E.U., immediately instructed European companies not to comply with Washington’s demand to cease trading with Iran.

Mutual Defence / NATO

Britain is already past the two-percent mark for defense spending and France is just .2 percent short of the agreed-upon target. Since May 2017, France has been governed by 40-year-old president Emmanuel Macron, a staunch advocate of the closer integration, financially and otherwise, of E.U. members. In a September 2017 speech, he floated the idea of a joint enterprise to allow Europe’s militaries to coordinate and react swiftly together.

As a result, in June 2018 ministers from Belgium, Britain, Denmark, Estonia, France, Germany, The Netherlands, Spain and Portugal signed a letter of intent in Luxembourg to form the European Intervention Initiative. It would exist outside the E.U.’s structures and be focused on joint planning for future natural disasters, crisis intervention, and the evacuation of citizens from hostile countries, among other things.

At present, its aims remain modest, but the key point is simple. The principle that European militaries should act collectively without the involvement of the Pentagon is to be put into practice. That is likely to prove but one more step on the path toward turning Albright’s indispensable nation into an increasingly dispensable America.

If Trump or his successor persists in weakening NATO, he or she will only encourage the Europeans to build on the EII concept.

Climate Change

To the relief of most of the planet’s inhabitants, Trump’s withdrawal proved to be a solo act, with the remaining 194 signatories remaining firmly on board. Their representatives were among the 3,000 diplomats and observers who assembled in Bonn, Germany, in May 2018 to deliberate on giving the agreement further clout. To the consternation of the Trump administration, the next crucial meeting, a Global Climate Action Summit, will take place in September — and guess where — in California.

That state’s governor, Jerry Brown, has been a key figure in rallying support for the Paris Accord and opposition to Trump’s climate-change deniers at the state and local levels. Along with former New York mayor Michael Bloomberg, Brown has sponsored the We Are Still In coalition.

In November 2017, the two of them published a remarkable reportshowing that cities, states and businesses representing more than half of the U.S. economy and population had declared their support for the agreement. “If these non-federal actors were a country,” it pointed out, “their economy would be the third-largest in the world, bigger than all but two national parties to the Paris Agreement.”

In his withdrawal statement, Trump stated that “the United States will cease all implementation of the nonbinding Paris accord and the draconian financial and economic burdens the agreement imposes on our country.” That accord’s main aim was to keep the global temperature rise below two degrees centigrade from the preindustrial level.

“I was elected to represent the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris,” Trump added. Within a few hours, Pittsburgh mayor Bill Peduto tweeted back, “I can assure you that we will follow the guidelines of the Paris Agreement for our people, our economy & future.”

Pittsburgh is one of 405 municipalities representing 70 million Americans that have signed on to a Climate Mayors initiative, which has only grown in the past year. More than 80 American cities — even some, like San Diego, run by Republicans — have committed to a future of 100 percent renewable energy.

In fact, Trump’s decision actually spurred some cities to make new efforts to accelerate the pace of change. New York decided to electrify its bus fleet and pledged to divest from fossil fuels, while suing the world’s largest oil corporations for their role in escalating sea-level rise, heat waves, and other natural disasters. It also promised to abandon coal-fired electricity, as did Los Angeles.

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ivwshane

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Good.

The people of the United States got their rights trampled on by the secret negotiations of the TPP.

Ars has covered it in full from the beginning
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...ership-could-be-acta-plus-legal-experts-fear/

Unless you want giant copywrite holders entering into secret agreements with foreign governments?

It’s a liberal conundrum.

You may want to find a more updated article. The tpp was negotiated in secret until its release in November 2015, three years after your article was written.
 

Josephus312

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Good.

The people of the United States got their rights trampled on by the secret negotiations of the TPP.

Ars has covered it in full from the beginning
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...ership-could-be-acta-plus-legal-experts-fear/

Unless you want giant copywrite holders entering into secret agreements with foreign governments?

It’s a liberal conundrum.

Yeah, we don't need the world, we should just isolate ourselves and live in bunkers stocked with food and be paranoid all the time just like you are.

Sorry but that article isn't relevant since no one was kept in the dark. The US doesn't hold open conventions on their internal affairs on trade deals either, do we? There was no secrecy once the deal was presented.
 

Phynaz

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You may want to find a more updated article. The tpp was negotiated in secret until its release in November 2015, three years after your article was written.

“Are has covered it since the beginning”

I expect that somebody could follow their reporting. I guess I expect too much.
 

Josephus312

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Having President Trump is like scoring an own goal in the World Cup. Oh well, it was a great run at the top of the world while it lasted. China, you're up!

Can't we just sell him to Hungary or something? We don't need him and they would probably love him.
 

mindless1

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Yes I get it, whine that someone else should do what you want, to better your life. Throw in US and Canada as an excuse, because then we get troll wars going that distract from reality. Makes perfect sense.

America should sit out. It is an unsustainable position for american to try to rule and be a world wide police force. It's time some lazy asses like the canadians stepped in and did their share. I for one, would rather the rest of the allies spent a few more dollars on military instead of the US, or sucked it up and stopped whining that they're our beeches because they won't spend the money and want to just whine instead.

Build your own military and play your own chess game. The US has done that and should wisely step back and focus on domestic issues instead.
 

senseamp

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Trump's America is now seen as a rogue regime that needs to be contained. But I bet Putin's bitch thinks he's the leader of the free world. Sad times.
 

ivwshane

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“Are has covered it since the beginning”

I expect that somebody could follow their reporting. I guess I expect too much.

I would imagine you would hold yourself to the same standard. I guess not.
 

ecogen

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The fact that there are people stupid enough to actually believe that the US play "world police" because of benevolence or altruism is kinda sad and yet at the same time unsurprising.
 

cytg111

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Yes I get it, whine that someone else should do what you want, to better your life. Throw in US and Canada as an excuse, because then we get troll wars going that distract from reality. Makes perfect sense.

America should sit out. It is an unsustainable position for american to try to rule and be a world wide police force. It's time some lazy asses like the canadians stepped in and did their share. I for one, would rather the rest of the allies spent a few more dollars on military instead of the US, or sucked it up and stopped whining that they're our beeches because they won't spend the money and want to just whine instead.

Build your own military and play your own chess game. The US has done that and should wisely step back and focus on domestic issues instead.
One way or the other the planet IS going to unite... What role you play in it is up to you. Guess why Putin wants you guys on this track... Take a guess. Allies allies allies. One of the reasons i am so pro EU as I am... is it perfect hells no. Better than the alternative FUCK YEA! Improve from within but ffs stick together assholes.
 
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Bitek

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Yes I get it, whine that someone else should do what you want, to better your life. Throw in US and Canada as an excuse, because then we get troll wars going that distract from reality.

America should sit out. It is an unsustainable position for american to try to rule and be a world wide police force. It's time some lazy asses like the canadians stepped in and did their share. I for one, would rather the rest of the allies spent a few more dollars on military instead of the US, or sucked it up and stopped whining that they're our beeches because they won't spend the money and want to just whine instead.

Build your own military and play your own chess game. The US has done that and should wisely step back and focus on domestic issues instead.

So that's why Trump greatly increased military spending and the federal debt, lobs cruise missiles randomly and claims he's “the most militaristic person ever"?

Yet what has he built domestically? Where's that infrastructure plan?

Makes perfect sense.
 
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fskimospy

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Yes I get it, whine that someone else should do what you want, to better your life. Throw in US and Canada as an excuse, because then we get troll wars going that distract from reality. Makes perfect sense.

America should sit out. It is an unsustainable position for american to try to rule and be a world wide police force. It's time some lazy asses like the canadians stepped in and did their share. I for one, would rather the rest of the allies spent a few more dollars on military instead of the US, or sucked it up and stopped whining that they're our beeches because they won't spend the money and want to just whine instead.

Build your own military and play your own chess game. The US has done that and should wisely step back and focus on domestic issues instead.

Wait, you really think we station troops in other countries out of the goodness of our hearts? That’s incredibly naive.
 
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Alberta is the Texas of Canada. Ignorant, greedy conservatives tend to run its government, too.

Right now, though, it's the NDP (sorta, kinda, still pretending to be sorta socialists) although they'll obviously be a 1 term government and after the next election will most likely be back to being a small opposition party. Then the *real* Alberta reactionaries can get back to running Alberta for the oil companies.
 

UNCjigga

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Looks like China and 14 Pacific countries just ratified their own version of a Trans Pacific Partnership—one that obviously excludes the US. This is now the world’s largest free trading bloc representing one third of global economic output.

The impetus for the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP) was Trump’s trade war and general uncertainty the Trump Administration brought to international trade. Since we also backed out of the TPP, we’ve pretty much screwed ourselves out of Asian export markets in certain categories, and China will still be stealing our IP for their own use anyway.

 

ivwshane

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Looks like China and 14 Pacific countries just ratified their own version of a Trans Pacific Partnership—one that obviously excludes the US. This is now the world’s largest free trading bloc representing one third of global economic output.

The impetus for the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP) was Trump’s trade war and general uncertainty the Trump Administration brought to international trade. Since we also backed out of the TPP, we’ve pretty much screwed ourselves out of Asian export markets in certain categories, and China will still be stealing our IP for their own use anyway.


Yep. We went from being a major influencer in trade agreements to get favorable terms for us with the TPP, to now being an outsider. Basically China did to us what we were going to do to them.
 
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brycejones

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Yep. We went from being a major influencer in trade agreements to get favorable terms for us with the TPP, to now being an outsider. Basically China did to us what we were going to do to them.
But Trump said we would win the trade war and Chyna would pay us billions and billions in tariffs.