Article: The Dawn of Holographic Media

Auric

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Originally posted by: MS Dawn
Wow they made a hologram of me. :p

I must have missed sumfing. :confused:

Queer that the 5000 media picture is captioned "Blue-ray" rather than simply "blue laser" as it confuses with the totally unrelated "Blu-ray" standard. A scale reference would be nice too, as with the 4000, which is most impressive with its small size. I loathe how huge the so-called "compact disc" and thus sadly BD and HD remain today. Sure, 120mm may have been compact in the 1970s when first designed (at least compared to "LP" and "LD") but not now.


 

Iddo12

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Auric, you are right - we will fix the captioned.
Any comments other then that?

Thnaks
Iddo
 

myocardia

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Wow, that thing is huge! I would love to have one, though, if you're looking for anyone who'll sign an NDA.;) Back on topic, I'm thinking that there are hundreds of thousands of businesses, in the U.S. alone, that would kill for something like that. Okay, their IT people would kill for it, at least.

What kind of price point are you planning on introducing it at?
 

ForumMaster

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the prob with this technology is that it's never going to be mainstream until you can get the burner smaller enough to fit in a regular 5.25" bay. currently the burner is huge and only enterprises are going to use these things for backup.
 

flexy

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Originally posted by: Iddo12
Auric, you are right - we will fix the captioned.
Any comments other then that?

Thnaks
Iddo

are you (?) somehow related to that story (no joke) of someone inventing a storage medium using a ordinary roll of clear-tape ?

They claimed to have/had a method to use a roll of clear-tape where a laser would write/read on each layer of the roll...since the roll has many it would've ben quiete a lot of data. They also said they did tests with many brands, but the german tesa-tape proved best for that purpose.

I heard that YEARS ago.

Just reminded me by overflying your article and reading about "writing on a multi layered medium"

http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/byform/mailing-lists/amia-l/2000/03/msg00173.html

and some more references on google

Tuesday, January 23, 2001 01:00 PM PST

German and American scientists are working to develop a new information storage technology using ordinary commercial adhesive tape as a medium. Private European Media Laboratory and Stanford University have signed a three-year cooperation contract, EML has announced. A chief goal will be to work together on the storage development; EML expects the project to take about five years to develop.

EML researcher Steffen Noehte discovered some three years ago that the polymer structure of "tesa Multi-Film" brand adhesive tape is well suited as a holographic data medium, the laboratory says. The technique, similar to that used to burn a CD, modifies the optical properties of the tape using a laser. It can store data on any individual layer of the tape without unwinding the roll or disturbing other layers, meaning as much as 10 gigabytes of data can be written on a single roll.
Better Than CD Drives

The laboratory says the new technology is superior to current CD drives, for example, because it is the laser beam that rotates, rather than the storage medium, helping to avoid potential balance problems. This technique enables high-speed rotation and thus allows the high data-transfer rates required to record and play back video, for example.

EML scientists are working with Stanford electrical engineering professor Lambertus Hesselink, an expert on optical and holographic data storage, to further the project, titled "OptiMem." The partners in the project hope to develop a "compact and affordable" storage medium for applications such as pocket computers and digital video cameras. They even envision a data-storage sticker, a modified adhesive film onto which tiny individual holograms are written. It could hold about 250 times as much information as a standard bar code, the researchers say, and could be used as secure identification for products.
 

n7

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Originally posted by: MS Dawn
Wow they made a hologram of me. :p

:Q

I look forward to the day this becomes affordable.

If it doesn't...then i don't give a flying crap.
 

myocardia

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Originally posted by: ForumMaster
the prob with this technology is that it's never going to be mainstream until you can get the burner smaller enough to fit in a regular 5.25" bay. currently the burner is huge and only enterprises are going to use these things for backup.
No way, man. Many people have both an external burner, and a ~12" long floppy disk "box" on their desktops. If the one on that page were ½ as long, I'd consider buying one, if I could afford it.
 
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interesting reading material, something tells me it won't ever get into the consumer market, it will make too much money in the corporate scheme of things, if it even gets off the ground there either.
 

JackBurton

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Originally posted by: myocardia
Wow, that thing is huge! I would love to have one, though, if you're looking for anyone who'll sign an NDA.;) Back on topic, I'm thinking that there are hundreds of thousands of businesses, in the U.S. alone, that would kill for something like that. Okay, their IT people would kill for it, at least.

What kind of price point are you planning on introducing it at?
Nah, we've got 800GB LTO tapes now, in a 20 tape library (16TB backup capacity). This ain't gonna catch on for backup until they make MUCH bigger strides. I trust tapes more than optical media anyway.

 

Fullmetal Chocobo

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I'd like to hear more about the reliability of the recorded media. As it stands, I don't trust to do backups on optical media.
 

ForumMaster

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Originally posted by: myocardia
Originally posted by: ForumMaster
the prob with this technology is that it's never going to be mainstream until you can get the burner smaller enough to fit in a regular 5.25" bay. currently the burner is huge and only enterprises are going to use these things for backup.
No way, man. Many people have both an external burner, and a ~12" long floppy disk "box" on their desktops. If the one on that page were ½ as long, I'd consider buying one, if I could afford it.

from what i saw in PCMAG's coverage of the device, the burner is something like 3 feet lon and one foot wide. you still want it? ;)
 

zephyrprime

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Originally posted by: ForumMaster
the prob with this technology is that it's never going to be mainstream until you can get the burner smaller enough to fit in a regular 5.25" bay. currently the burner is huge and only enterprises are going to use these things for backup.
Yeah, that's true but that's just how things go with stuff like this. It will take time to develop.

Businesses will really like this because tape drives are really crappy. Their access times, reliability, durability, and capacity are crap.

 

ForumMaster

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Originally posted by: zephyrprime
Originally posted by: ForumMaster
the prob with this technology is that it's never going to be mainstream until you can get the burner smaller enough to fit in a regular 5.25" bay. currently the burner is huge and only enterprises are going to use these things for backup.
Yeah, that's true but that's just how things go with stuff like this. It will take time to develop.

Businesses will really like this because tape drives are really crappy. Their access times, reliability, durability, and capacity are crap.

i agree. then again, IIRC, IBM and Fujitsu recently devolped this tape that can store more then 8TB! but access time, read and write speed must suck. optical, or rather holographical, is the way to go.
 

nweaver

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Originally posted by: zephyrprime
Originally posted by: ForumMaster
the prob with this technology is that it's never going to be mainstream until you can get the burner smaller enough to fit in a regular 5.25" bay. currently the burner is huge and only enterprises are going to use these things for backup.
Yeah, that's true but that's just how things go with stuff like this. It will take time to develop.

Businesses will really like this because tape drives are really crappy. Their access times, reliability, durability, and capacity are crap.

really, is that why EVERY ENTERPRISE ORG has tapes as their primary backups source? Access times suck, but capacity/reliability/durability are just fine. Otherwise, what would be the point? Tapes are tried and true, it will be some time before you see the enterprise move off them, you need something bigger/better then this to get them off their tapes.