Article about Mortgage Backed Securities

wwswimming

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about 6 months ago i was talking to a stockbroker in the
locker room and i asked him if he could explain hedge
funds and derivatives. i had heard about them and couldn't
find a decent explanation.

he said he "leaves it to the experts".

so i wrote one of the experts, John Mauldin, who manages
one of those funds where you need to have about $2 million
before they will manage your money.

he published a few articles that did a good job explaining
it. this one explains how mortgage backed securities
ties into things like currency valuations and how banks
do banking.

it's long.

http://www.investorsinsight.co...int.aspx?EditionID=619

"Credit Default Swaps: A Brief Introduction

Just a decade ago, the corporate credit market was comparatively simple. Companies seeking to fund their operations and expansion plans tapped commercial banks for loans and financial markets for bonds. Commercial banks carried these senior secured loans directly on their balance sheet. Subordinated lenders - primarily banks, mutual funds, and pension funds - evaluated the credit worthiness of the issuer and determined an appropriate compensation for the risk that the issuer might fail to meet its obligations. When the borrower offered sufficient compensation and legal protection, the company received financing. Since many bondholders owned assets to defray long-term liabilities, the corporate bond markets had relatively low turnover. Investment banks served primarily as intermediaries between corporations and capital providers to place new issues and refinance paper.

While these arrangements served most participants upon initial offer, bank loans did not exchange hands in secondary markets, and hedge fund shied away from shorting credit because of expensive borrowing costs.[iii] More cynically and perhaps more accurately, the absence of loan trading and "bond loan" departments left holes in the investment banks' playbook that they could fill with a more fluid trading vehicle. In order to meet these needs, in the mid-1990s Wall Street gave birth to the credit default swap ("CDS"), the basic contract from which all credit derivatives emanated.

The CDS was an innovative financial technology that revolutionized the way credit changes hands. A CDS is a financial agreement between two parties to exchange the credit risk of a reference entity or issuer. The buyer of CDS pays a periodic premium for which it purchases credit protection on a specified, notional amount of exposure. In the event the reference entity faces a credit event - typically a bankruptcy, failure to pay, or restructuring - the owner of credit protection receives a windfall profit. In terms of exposure, a buyer of CDS is short the credit risk of the reference issuer. Conversely, the seller of protection assumes a risk comparable to owning the reference bond; the seller receives a premium for taking risk but suffers large losses in an event of default. Thus, the CDS market is a zero sum game between the buyers and sellers of protection.

While new to the credit markets a decade ago, CDS has roots in generations of related financial contracts. A CDS closely resembles an insurance contract in which the seller receives a premium and suffers losses of up to the notional amount in the event a low probability default occurs within the term of the agreement. If the market properly handicaps the probability of default, the premium on CDS should equal the yield spread of a corporate issue over Treasuries after taking into account funding costs.

CDS also share characteristics with put options. Buyers of put options pay a small premium and have the opportunity to make a large sum should the underlying stock fall precipitously. However, unlike options that trade on organized exchanges, CDS transact only between two counterparties, carrying an additional counterparty risk absent in listed options markets."


"An Insurance Market with No Loss Reserves

One way of thinking about the CDS market is that of a huge, new insurance industry whose providers reserve nothing for future losses. Imagine what would happen if $45 trillion worth of insurance policies experienced an actuarial average of 5% losses and no one had $2.25 trillion sitting around to foot the bill![vii]

This woefully undercapitalized market may be a frightening reality. Sellers of credit protection post margin for marked-to-market moves, but CDS contracts are generally uncollateralized. Further, investment banks that hold one side of each CDS transaction claim to be hedged, but their financial statements show neither loss reserves nor bad debt reserves for potential counterparty failure. The absence of collateral and significance of counterparty risk have important implications discussed below.

For a number of years, credit spreads have tightened to historical lows. During this time, CDS took over cash bonds as the primary form of trading in credit markets. Is it too much of a stretch to consider that spreads have been abnormally tight in part because sellers failed to price in a reserve for future losses and thus systematically underpriced risk?

The Second Domino: "High"-Yield Bonds"

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John Mauldin in general has been bullish about the markets.
so it's interesting to here him use terms like "An Insurance
Market with No Loss Reserves"

"Imagine what would happen if $45 trillion worth of insurance policies experienced an actuarial average of 5% losses and no one had $2.25 trillion sitting around to foot the bill"

i think what this means is that the $80 billion fund Citi
and other banks created in the last few months to
buy mortgage backed securities (the FDIC has $50
billion in reserves) is about $2.17 Trillion short of
covering a reasonable estimate of bank and brokerage
exposure to losses in the product categories of mortgage-
backed security and related Wall Street products.

{ one other tidbit that showed up is that the top
20 or 30 hedge fund managers averaged approx.
$500 million annual income last year. Bonfire of
the Vanities, Part 2 ? }

the Federal Reserve is injecting similar amounts of
money into the banking system, $30 billion here and
$30 the week before that.

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what is equilibrium for the system, in terms of the
valuation of the dollar relative to other currencies ?

if the dollar devalued about 50%, it would stop the
losses from mortgage backed securities.

to overseas investors, who are holding many $US
Trillions, i can imagine them saying in whatever
language they speak,

"hey Martha, we can buy a condo near the beach
in San Diego for $250K". For people holding Euro's
or Yuan ( which the US government has repeatedly
asked China not to raise the value of, relative to
the dollar ) or Canadian dollars, $250K is affordable,
a deal.

i'm not saying that the dollar will devalue 50%. it
has devalued about 40% since 2002. There is some
huge number of credit derivatives outstanding,
$45 Trillion.

i wonder what the financial risk is compared to the
Savings & Loan so-called crisis in the '80's.

 

Gannon

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What they are doing is basically stealing indirectly using financial tools an manipulation... and then jargonifying their words...

There is little difference between thieves and businessmen these days.

They're trading / swapping risk and "potential to pay"
 

wwswimming

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i don't know if i would say they are stealing.

on the "sell" side, the mortgages are re-packaged in bundles of
1000, and sold to customers - wealthy investors, banks, mutual
funds, retirement funds, whoever will buy. a lot of these
products were bought by foreign banks.

the MBS's are divided according to risk. there are 10 levels
of risk; those levels are called "tranches". the least riskiest
tranch would be mortgages sold to people with steady jobs
and credit ratings above 750 who put 20% down.

one example of the most risky are what they call "NINJA"
loans - no income, no job, no assets.

on the side of the people who actually take out the mortgages
that the banks re-sell, there are or were organizations like
Home123. i mention them because i was lucky enough to
spend an afternoon at one of their facilities. i had a friend
who worked there. i sat in a chair and listened to the various
brokers sweet-talk potential clients.

for sure, there is a lot of fraud. for example, offering
someone a loan that converts from a starter $1200
payment to a $2000 payment when the interest rates
are reset (for example, on a "2-28", telling them that
"of course they'll be able to re-finance, property values
are going up"). well, a lot of those people are going to
not be able to make the payments. we're hearing a lot
about the resulting foreclosures now, in the news.

it affects a lot of things - when an entire neighborhood
in Cleveland can't pay their property taxes, the city
has trouble delivering services.

the whole game stays afloat as long as property
values are rising, in the currency in which the loans
are denominated. now, that game is over, for a few
years.
 

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Originally posted by: wwswimming
i don't know if i would say they are stealing

(gannon: just pointing out *why* it's stealing)

the MBS's are divided according to risk. there are 10 levels
of risk; those levels are called "tranches".

We call it gambling in the real world, it's just another form of gambling, that's all it is.

We could even argue all investment is necessarily parasitic (in some sense) and is harmless at low levels of ownership and assets. But it gets increasingly out of control the more you do it, since rich people have a perpetual money machine ($250 million earns a million in interest or more a MONTH in a savings account for instance).

We hope for our money to earn interest off other peoples work... through the concept of lending at interest or usury, stock markets are a form of usury gambling.

Inflation is do to excessive consumption and greed, and lack of value generated by workers in the system against some standard. The fact is the whole monetary system is flawed to begin with.

Our money is actually obsolete, in the sense that, it doesn't represent our actual purchasing power, and over the last 50 or so years, money in it's current form has just made living more and more complex.

Now, I'm not saying to get rid of it, I'm saying that many people today don't understand how money really works. Try applying some physics/electricity/energy properties in your interpretation of money *as if* it were energy and watch all the neat things you'll find out... :)
 

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Originally posted by: Gannon
Originally posted by: wwswimming
i don't know if i would say they are stealing

(gannon: just pointing out *why* it's stealing)

the MBS's are divided according to risk. there are 10 levels
of risk; those levels are called "tranches".

We call it gambling in the real world, it's just another form of gambling, that's all it is.

We could even argue all investment is necessarily parasitic (in some sense) and is harmless at low levels of ownership and assets. But it gets increasingly out of control the more you do it, since rich people have a perpetual money machine ($250 million earns a million in interest or more a MONTH in a savings account for instance).

We hope for our money to earn interest off other peoples work... through the concept of lending at interest or usury, stock markets are a form of usury gambling.

Inflation is do to excessive consumption and greed, and lack of value generated by workers in the system against some standard. The fact is the whole monetary system is flawed to begin with.

Our money is actually obsolete, in the sense that, it doesn't represent our actual purchasing power, and over the last 50 or so years, money in it's current form has just made living more and more complex.

Now, I'm not saying to get rid of it, I'm saying that many people today don't understand how money really works. Try applying some physics/electricity/energy properties in your interpretation of money *as if* it were energy and watch all the neat things you'll find out... :)

I don't think you understand the role played by "parasitic" investment in a healthy economy.
 

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Originally posted by: Nathelion
I don't think you understand the role played by "parasitic" investment in a healthy economy.

I said it was parasitic in a sense, not that it was all bad, and that it can be exploited in harmful ways, big difference! You need to get over your sour grapes.

Investment is conditionally good or bad, it's dependent on what is being done. The other issue is that the ownership loopholes are a big problem. If I said I owned the world and charged you interest or required payment from you just because I owned it thats a parasitic loophole. I don't have to do any work because I own it. All forms of property have their basis in or of persons or entities having complete dominance and control of a region under the conditions that allow their control.

When abused, this leads to tyranny for the propertyless.

?Dictatorship naturally arises out of democracy, and the most aggravated form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme liberty.?--Plato (428 BC-348 BC)

All economic transactions are political transactions in a sense, hence the phrase : "vote with your wallet". If we buy from companies doing environmental damage, we are partly responsible because we gave them the money, and we're fully responsible when we know what they are doing is bad but continue to give them money anyway, unless there is some extenuating circumstance which would pardon it. Companies don't get money out of nowhere, they get it from people or an institution.
 

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Gannon ... A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. You have everything oversimplified and castegorized as black or white. All investments carry risk. You need to go out into the real world to learn how things really work. Cheers .
 

Gannon

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Originally posted by: bendixG15
Gannon ... A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. You have everything oversimplified and castegorized as black or white. All investments carry risk. You need to go out into the real world to learn how things really work. Cheers .

Nice blanket statement, I wish I was intelligent enough to make statements so general they sound like they are intelligent. Be specific and point out what you have a problem with or go home. Trolling and running without explaining anything does not help anyone in anyway.

If I am wrong I will submit to your superior reason gracefully, loving wisdom also means loving when your mistakes are pointed out. If no one made mistakes they wouldn't learn anything.
 

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Originally posted by: Gannon
Originally posted by: Nathelion
I don't think you understand the role played by "parasitic" investment in a healthy economy.

I said it was parasitic in a sense, not that it was all bad, and that it can be exploited in harmful ways, big difference! You need to get over your sour grapes.

Investment is conditionally good or bad, it's dependent on what is being done. The other issue is that the ownership loopholes are a big problem. If I said I owned the world and charged you interest or required payment from you just because I owned it thats a parasitic loophole. I don't have to do any work because I own it. All forms of property have their basis in or of persons or entities having complete dominance and control of a region under the conditions that allow their control.

When abused, this leads to tyranny for the propertyless.

?Dictatorship naturally arises out of democracy, and the most aggravated form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme liberty.?--Plato (428 BC-348 BC)

All economic transactions are political transactions in a sense, hence the phrase : "vote with your wallet". If we buy from companies doing environmental damage, we are partly responsible because we gave them the money, and we're fully responsible when we know what they are doing is bad but continue to give them money anyway, unless there is some extenuating circumstance which would pardon it. Companies don't get money out of nowhere, they get it from people or an institution.

Now to begin with, what you're saying in this post is very different from what you said in your previous one. Your previous post basically said "small-scale investment is OK, but large-scale investment is evil". There were no qualifications such as "if abused" and you clearly drew up a causal relationship between size of investment -> degree of evil inherent in the investment. This claim is one of the silliest things I've ever heard (read).

Your second post is makes more sense, and you bring up some valid points, but it still seems that you don't fully understand the role investment and inflation plays in a healthy economy. Investment is something entirely desirable, and inflation encourages investment, among other things.
 

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Originally posted by: Nathelion
Now to begin with, what you're saying in this post is very different from what you said in your previous one.

Well considering time constraints and limits, I'm not going to be able to write a full length paper every post.

Your previous post basically said "small-scale investment is OK, but large-scale investment is evil".

I just meant to say as you go up the scale, potential for abuse increases quite a lot. My post was not meant to be taken as a theory of everything that goes on the market. That post was just meant to point out the fact it can be abused, but the statement was too general to break down into a universal claim as you have done. So my apologies for incoherency.