I just checked newegg, it looks like AMD didn't even bother to drop any price on x6 after sandy is here. Looks like they just thrown in a $10 gift card + free game. Looks like AMD isn't too worried about Sandy. But then again all AM3 has no where to upgrade to except x6s.
Arrival of Sandy don't seem to change AMD pricing
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I dont see SB impacting AMD as yet. There not competing with the high end ones and the low end ones you cant clock the SB's so people will still buy AMD.
that's how I look at it, the 2500k is right at the same price range as x6, but with a huge advatnage on most situations. I think if 2500k is selling for 225 or so, I think x6 1100T should be around 169 or even 159 to make it fair price considering what it offers.
It would be VERY awesome for AMD to sell those chips at prices like that. Hell, I might even jump on something like that if it happens.
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_value_alltime.html
Still a lot of AMD up there. But the thing with those benches (Anand's too) is that they insert a lot of stuff that very few people use. For instance Passmark takes into account all that:
A score/bench for the regular user who doesn't need all that would be nice. Select your PC uses and hit a button and the score will take into account only what you need and use and that will make a huge difference in the top and that difference doesn't favor Intel, I tell you. It's not that hard to do it once you have all the benches.
For instance if you're a gamer, once you have a good video card and play full HD, the Phenom II X4/i5-760 is about as fast as the Sandy Bridge (a few fps). The big improvement is exactly in the areas very few people care about (Blender, Cinebench, 3dsmax...?). On what planet were they living when they decided to increase the performance in those areas? How many need that?
What are they thinking (Anand included) when they test the CPUs in gaming using powerful video cards and 1680x1050 resolutions? Who buys a HD 5870/GTX 580 (!) and plays at that resolution with no AA/AF (Anand's review on the Sandy Bridge)? Or this:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=191
So the benches are "rigged" in order to "emphasize" the CPU and thus they are very misleading because they use a very unlikely scenario: High-end graphics card, low resolution and settings. And the noob looks at the review/bench and says: See, it's much better, look at all those bars!
Well, many of those bars are useless, and some are misleading. That's the Anand bench and not only.
Still a lot of AMD up there. But the thing with those benches (Anand's too) is that they insert a lot of stuff that very few people use. For instance Passmark takes into account all that:
- CPU tests Mathematical operations, compression, encryption, SSE, 3DNow! instructions and more
- 2D graphics tests Drawing lines, bitmaps, fonts, text, and GUI elements
- 3D graphics tests Simple to complex DirectX 3D graphics and animations
- Disk tests Reading, writing and seeking within disk files
- Memory tests Allocating and accessing memory speed and efficiency
- CD / DVD test Test the speed of your CD or DVD drive
A score/bench for the regular user who doesn't need all that would be nice. Select your PC uses and hit a button and the score will take into account only what you need and use and that will make a huge difference in the top and that difference doesn't favor Intel, I tell you. It's not that hard to do it once you have all the benches.
For instance if you're a gamer, once you have a good video card and play full HD, the Phenom II X4/i5-760 is about as fast as the Sandy Bridge (a few fps). The big improvement is exactly in the areas very few people care about (Blender, Cinebench, 3dsmax...?). On what planet were they living when they decided to increase the performance in those areas? How many need that?
What are they thinking (Anand included) when they test the CPUs in gaming using powerful video cards and 1680x1050 resolutions? Who buys a HD 5870/GTX 580 (!) and plays at that resolution with no AA/AF (Anand's review on the Sandy Bridge)? Or this:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=191
So the benches are "rigged" in order to "emphasize" the CPU and thus they are very misleading because they use a very unlikely scenario: High-end graphics card, low resolution and settings. And the noob looks at the review/bench and says: See, it's much better, look at all those bars!
Well, many of those bars are useless, and some are misleading. That's the Anand bench and not only.
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blastingcap
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For gaming, the video card is going to bottleneck many systems, hence why they test games at low resolutions--to see where the CPU bottleneck is. In real life, nobody plays 1024x768 at 300 frames per second, true. But I think we know that already.
Many people use those misleading benches on forums.
If they wanted to do that (test the bottleneck) they could have used cheaper video cards but again I don't know what gamer buys a 2500-2600K and a GTS 450. And the main purpose of a review is not the bottleneck it's the most likely scenario benches. Where's the gaming benches at 1980x1020? Those are much more important for the gamers.
Andand's review was tailored to suit the Sandy Bridge.
If they wanted to do that (test the bottleneck) they could have used cheaper video cards but again I don't know what gamer buys a 2500-2600K and a GTS 450. And the main purpose of a review is not the bottleneck it's the most likely scenario benches. Where's the gaming benches at 1980x1020? Those are much more important for the gamers.
Andand's review was tailored to suit the Sandy Bridge.
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combust3r
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What is really important is to find how much performance do u get with the new processor comparing it to others without bottlenecking it with some other components.
There is no such thing as the most likely scenario - different ppl have different builds and there is no way to cover them all.
There is no such thing as the most likely scenario - different ppl have different builds and there is no way to cover them all.
Sandy Bridge should have no effect on AMD's prices. AMD's current products can barely compete (in performance) with older gen Intel products let alone SB.
This, unless intel lowers prices on 775 and lower end 1156/1366 CPU's then i dont see AMD lowering prices. Considering thats the CPU's they are competeing with not SB.
Why not test the Sandy Bridge with a HD 5550 then? And this "bottleneck thinghy is more useful than testing the gamer settings? The games use mainly the video card and those who look at those benches are called gamers not CPU evaluators.
Yes, there is such thing as normal gamers' setups and none is using a high-end video card and small resolutions/settings. You test the CPU with the GTX 580 then make sure you use the right settings and resolution.
Why not use low end CPUs to test the RAM? A fast CPU is bottlenecked by the RAM.
Because an i5-2600k will get the same fps as an i3-540 if you bottleneck it with an HD 5550. So you put the fastest video card possible with any CPU you test to see how many FPS the CPU can really push.
Yes it's true that at gamer settings a Phenom II x4 965 may still get the same FPS as an i5-2600k because the video card can't go any faster. So they lower the resolution to see how many FPS the CPU could do if the video card weren't the bottleneck.
What this tells you isn't which CPU is best on current top of the line video cards (because they will both be about the same since the video card bottlenecks you) but which CPU will still be best on the next generation of video cards when the GPU bottleneck goes up and the limitation is back on the CPU.
exar333
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How much lower could AMD's CPUs get anyway? They are all basically below <$200 already, with lots <$100. Maybe some of the higher-end Phenom II's (X4 and X6) could drop to <$175, but they don't have too much further to go until AMD is giving these guys away. They certainly are not re-couping any $$$ on chipsets either. Somethings got to give....
Give me a 150 dollar 1090T/1100T and i'm in 
I'll give it a month to see how AMD's pricing compensates (...or until Microcenter's i2500k deal is about to end HA)
I'll give it a month to see how AMD's pricing compensates (...or until Microcenter's i2500k deal is about to end HA)
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