Arrest made in Jon Benet Ramsey case

[Moonbeam]

It's outrageous there's women news person's on TV. Why don't they gossip in the kitchen where they belong.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Wow...

Pedo-smile
Pedo-glasses
Pedo-haircut

He just oozes "bad news for kids."

 

[Aegeon]

The suspect in question has previously been arrested on charges of possessing child pornography.

Newspaper: Suspect charged with kid porn in ?01

By Saeed Ahmed | Wednesday, August 16, 2006, 09:56 PM

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Suspect John Mark Karr taught at several district schools, and in 2001 was charged with five counts of possessing child pornography, the Petaluma Argus-Courier reported.

His teaching credential was suspended and he is still wanted in California for failing to appear on those charges, the newspaper said..

Karr and his wife at the time, Laura, married in 1989 and lived in Alabama before moving to Petaluma in 2000. He began teaching in Petaluma and Napa, and Petaluma City Schools received no complaints about his work.

Laura Karr filed for divorce in 2001, after he was charged with possessing pornography, the newspaper said.

http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared...breaking/entries/2006/08/16/90437.html

 

[Bulk Beef]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: DonVito
Veddy interesting. I remember reading in detail about the case, years ago, and there was persuasive evidence to indicate that an outsider had committed the crime. That being said, I do still think there was some untoward conduct (perhaps molestation) going on involving the parents and JonBenet, particularly since they initially lawyered up and refused to cooperate with the investigation.

That's kind of a surprising statement coming from you. I admit to forgetting whether you spend your time doing defense or prosecution, but wouldn't you advise all clients to refuse to say a single word to the authorities without a lawyer present?

I certainly would (and, BTW, I have been both a prosecutor and defense attorney), but that doesn't mean there's nothing incriminating about it from a common-sense standpoint (though it can't be used against them in court). Any normal parent with nothing to hide, IMO, would cooperate in the investigation of their young daughter's attempted kidnapping and murder.

Put yourself in their shoes for a moment: someone breaks into your house, tries to abduct your daughter (going as far as to leave several draft ransom notes in the trash), kills her, and leaves her in the basement. You know neither you, your spouse, nor a member of your family is involved. Wouldn't you cooperate with the authorities, in the interest of preventing more child murders? Frankly, even as an attorney, I think any decent human being would.

OTOH, if you knew that you or a member of your family was involved in the murder or had been molesting her, you might well lawyer up.

I don't really understand how you can suggest that lawyering up is incriminating from a "common-sense standpoint" when you know (and would advise any client) that hiring legal counsel is SOP, from a "common-sense standpoint." Additionally, your assertion that the family "refused to cooperate" is an overstatement, at best, that merely echoes media sentiments of the time.

As far as I'm concerned, I've never seen a more clear cut case of an incompetent (and unprofessional) police department and an overzealous news media feeding off of each other to make a case where none exists, publically bypassing due process to obtain a headline conviction.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Wow...

Pedo-smile
Pedo-glasses
Pedo-haircut

He just oozes "bad news for kids."

Yeah and he was in Thailand, which is notorious for it's rather "young" prostitutes. A more accurate term would be sex slaves however.

Castration or death is the only "cure" for these types of people.

 

[JEDI]

dont think he did it...

he's a nut looking for publicity.

kinda like that middle aged woman that started that commotion on the plane this week.

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: JEDI
dont think he did it...

he's a nut looking for publicity.

The thing is according to the Boulder Police he gave details about the killing which are not known to the public and only known to the police. You can't get those if you're simply a nut.

 

[OutHouse]

there are a lot of holes in this guys story. I really hope the news conference the Boulder DA is having today will clear it up. if this guy really did it, then great lets move on. Also if this guy really did it there are a lot of local talk radio host who will be eating crow. you guys think the national TV host had witch hunt going for John and Patsy you should have heard what the local guys were saying. :disgust:

 

[Electric Mayhem]

It sounds like this guy was obsessed with this case and from what I've read, another famous child murder case. He wrote a paper while in college about the case-it was so good that someone suggested he write a book about it. Perhaps that is how he got the info that is supposedly not supposed to be known to the public.

It seems like the guy has problems, severe mental problems. His ex-wife says that they weren't even in the same state at the time and he told his dad in 2001 he was in jail for this murder (he was lying about that). I think he is some obsessed freak who also has a criminal record that makes him seem suspicious. In the end, the DNA evidence will show if he did do it or not.

"John Karr had disappeared after his release from jail in 2001. Karr, who relatives said had long spoken of a fascination with the Ramsey case, told his father at the time that he was being held for investigation of murdering the girl. "

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_4192717?source=rss

If it is him, that'll be one less criminal off the streets.


At least this will get the Mainstream Media talking about some important news for a change.....seems like yesterday that we were supposed to be on the brink of WW3....and something else....hmmmm....I guess that the Iraq War must be over since I don't really see much of that in the MSM anymore.

 

[Wag]

What's really odd was that on South Park here last night they showed the episode where Butters' mom killed him and his parents tried to cover it up. The Ramseys guested in that episode (as well as OJ & Gary Conditt), and Matt and Trey all but implicated the Ramseys.

Here comes the news conference...

 

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: sward666
I don't really understand how you can suggest that lawyering up is incriminating from a "common-sense standpoint" when you know (and would advise any client) that hiring legal counsel is SOP, from a "common-sense standpoint." Additionally, your assertion that the family "refused to cooperate" is an overstatement, at best, that merely echoes media sentiments of the time.

As far as I'm concerned, I've never seen a more clear cut case of an incompetent (and unprofessional) police department and an overzealous news media feeding off of each other to make a case where none exists, publically bypassing due process to obtain a headline conviction.

I take it you've never seen the Nancy Grace show. A textbook case of "overzealous news media feeding off of each other to make a case where none exists, publically bypassing due process to obtain a headline conviction".

 

[savvy]

And he's a teacher as well.

 

[Zedtom]

I get the feeling that were all being duped by an overzealous press jumping to conclusions.

Karl Rove must be thinking, "Whew, this'll take some of the heat off of us for awhile."

 

[Caminetto]

Karr could very well have a boatload of details from an obsession with this case. I see that the US DA is cautioning against speculation of guilt

One thing is clear, his story that it was an accident, that he loved JonBenet and would never hurt her, doesn't fit with police finding a beaten and strangled body.

 

[russoxley187]

Personally i think the guy did it...
He was arrested for child porn in 2001 in Cali.. thats a pattern.. if you ask me, he should have been shot then on the spot.
I'm curuous to see what happens. I think 95% of america thought that the parents did it.
It will be interesting to see what turns out.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

There are just too many inconsistencies here for my taste. I think this confession must be false. His wife says he was in Atlanta when the murders occurred, and his brother says he hasn't ever been to Boulder. He claims he drugged JBR, but the autopsy found no drugs or alcohol. The whole thing is definitely bizarre in any case.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: DonVito
There are just too many inconsistencies here for my taste. I think this confession must be false. His wife says he was in Atlanta when the murders occurred, and his brother says he hasn't ever been to Boulder. He claims he drugged JBR, but the autopsy found no drugs or alcohol. The whole thing is definitely bizarre in any case.

I was telling my wife the exact same thing this morning. It seems rather odd this guy turns up just a couple of months after the death of her mother. 10 years on the run and suddenly nabbed when she keels over? I have also heard about conflicting reports about his location during the time this was supposed to happen. afaik he was supposed to be in California or something, how did he end up in Colorado + fall in love with this girl?

I look at this guy and it screams attention whore or there is more to it that will come out once he is back in the states.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: sward666

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: DonVito
Veddy interesting. I remember reading in detail about the case, years ago, and there was persuasive evidence to indicate that an outsider had committed the crime. That being said, I do still think there was some untoward conduct (perhaps molestation) going on involving the parents and JonBenet, particularly since they initially lawyered up and refused to cooperate with the investigation.

That's kind of a surprising statement coming from you. I admit to forgetting whether you spend your time doing defense or prosecution, but wouldn't you advise all clients to refuse to say a single word to the authorities without a lawyer present?

I certainly would (and, BTW, I have been both a prosecutor and defense attorney), but that doesn't mean there's nothing incriminating about it from a common-sense standpoint (though it can't be used against them in court). Any normal parent with nothing to hide, IMO, would cooperate in the investigation of their young daughter's attempted kidnapping and murder.

Put yourself in their shoes for a moment: someone breaks into your house, tries to abduct your daughter (going as far as to leave several draft ransom notes in the trash), kills her, and leaves her in the basement. You know neither you, your spouse, nor a member of your family is involved. Wouldn't you cooperate with the authorities, in the interest of preventing more child murders? Frankly, even as an attorney, I think any decent human being would.

OTOH, if you knew that you or a member of your family was involved in the murder or had been molesting her, you might well lawyer up.

I don't really understand how you can suggest that lawyering up is incriminating from a "common-sense standpoint" when you know (and would advise any client) that hiring legal counsel is SOP, from a "common-sense standpoint." Additionally, your assertion that the family "refused to cooperate" is an overstatement, at best, that merely echoes media sentiments of the time.

As far as I'm concerned, I've never seen a more clear cut case of an incompetent (and unprofessional) police department and an overzealous news media feeding off of each other to make a case where none exists, publically bypassing due process to obtain a headline conviction.

FWIW, I have relooked at the parent's lack of cooperation, and I totally agree with you that I exaggerated it. From what I can read they only stopped cooperating when the DA threatened not to release JBR's body for a funeral unless they agree to be interrogated for something like the third time, and it was clear they were prime suspects. I agree there is nothing per se suspicious about their behavior in that regard. I had been remembering the media's version of this over the reality.

 

[russoxley187]

i agree, they found no drugs in her system, but why would you admit to something you didnt do?
just to get famous for a few weeks/months?
and then possibly get convicted in the crime. We all know that you don't need evidence to go to jail in america

 

[kylebisme]

Crazy people commonly confess to high profile crimes which they never committed, and they do so willing to take the convictions which secure their spots in history. Sounds like this pervert is one such crazy person.

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: DonVito
There are just too many inconsistencies here for my taste. I think this confession must be false. His wife says he was in Atlanta when the murders occurred, and his brother says he hasn't ever been to Boulder. He claims he drugged JBR, but the autopsy found no drugs or alcohol. The whole thing is definitely bizarre in any case.

QFT

 

[chowderhead]

On top of what others have said about the obssession and researching the story, saying he drugged her when the autopsy found no drugs in her system, I think it is strange that there was a ransom note. If this was a kidnap/sex crime, I don't think these types of predators typically leave notes demanding money.

 

[tommywishbone]

After further review... this guy is a fruitcake, but he didn't kill that little girl. I'm giving 10-1 odds with a $100 max. Who wants action?

 

[Genx87]

Now they are saying he studied the case bigtime. This guy sounds more and more like a fraud by the minute.

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Now they are saying he studied the case bigtime. This guy sounds more and more like a fraud by the minute.

Yep, the guy's story already has some serious holes:

- he says he drugged her but there were no drugs found in the autopsy
- he says he picked her up at school but the murder happened during Xmas vacation
- his wife says he was with her in Alabama(?) at the time

Looks like he's just a nutcase who wants to involve himself in the case.

I still think her own family was responsible in some way. Probably her brother raped and killed her and they felt they had to cover it up.