Army Rangers hold up bank with AK-47s smuggled from Afghanistan, take >$54,000

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An Army Ranger who is accused of robbing a bank with machine guns says his weapons came from Afghanistan -- and that they were brought back to the United States by American troops.

Luke Sommer, 20, has been charged with robbing a Bank of America branch in Tacoma, Wash., on Aug. 7. Surveillance cameras captured the robbery, which showed men armed with fully automatic AK-47s, balaclavas on their faces, carrying out a heist that investigators describe as having military-like precision.

Sommer neither admits nor denies the crime. But he does acknowledge the illegal machine guns found by the FBI in his Army barracks are his.

"I'm not going to deny the fact that I purchased one off a friend of mine," Sommer says. "Whether it was used or not in a robbery is obviously another issue. But I purchased one, and it cost me less than $300, $250."

And he adds that the gun, along with another AK-47 found in his quarters, were both brought over from Afghanistan by other soldiers.

The fully automatic AK-47 is a weapon typically found in war zones, but the model is hard to get in the United States because it is tightly restricted by federal law. Larry Kahaner, a journalist who's written a book on the AK-47, says it's an intimidating weapon.

"With an automatic AK, depending on the model and so forth, you can spray out between 600 and 700 rounds per minute," Kahaner says.

Army officials say they strictly prohibit soldiers bringing private weapons back from overseas, but they acknowledge there have been other instances of soldiers caught with illegal guns and other war souvenirs. In such cases, they say, the soldiers are prosecuted.

According to Monte Shaide, an FBI agent who investigated the case and reviewed the bank's video surveillance tapes, two bandits with automatic weapons watched customers while another, with a handgun, vaulted the counter and ordered a clerk to put only $50 and $100 bills into his bags.

The fourth man, also carrying a handgun, scooped money from other teller stations and $20,000 from a rolling money cart. The robbers steered clear of any dye packs and passed over bait bills with prerecorded serial numbers.

At the two-minute point, the robber counting off time shouted, "Let's go!" The four rushed out the door, ran to a waiting vehicle, and raced off with $54,011.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6642653

http://www.seattleweekly.com/news/0648/rangers.php
 

BoberFett

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AK47s are not hard to get. There's a gun shop a mile away from me that has several hanging on the wall for sale. They're quite cheap too. They're only semi-auto, but converting them isn't all that hard last I checked.

That fire rate is not any higher than other typical rifles on full auto.

How is an AK47 any more intimidating than any other weapon pointed at your head?

Nice propaganda piece though. Let's focus on the weapon instead of the guy that used it.
 

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
AK47s are not hard to get. There's a gun shop a mile away from me that has several hanging on the wall for sale. They're quite cheap too. They're only semi-auto, but converting them isn't all that hard last I checked.

That fire rate is not any higher than other typical rifles on full auto.

How is an AK47 any more intimidating than any other weapon pointed at your head?

Nice propaganda piece though. Let's focus on the weapon instead of the guy that used it.

Op changed the news source, the first one was much better. It detailed the robbery and how they were caught.

This one: http://www.seattleweekly.com/news/0648/rangers.php
 

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Originally posted by: 0
"With an automatic AK, depending on the model and so forth, you can spray out between 600 and 700 rounds per minute," Kahaner says.

That's one hella big magazine...

I hate it when people come out with these statistics. Sure, you can spray 600-700 rounds per minute with the never-ending magazine.

 

pontifex

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: 0
"With an automatic AK, depending on the model and so forth, you can spray out between 600 and 700 rounds per minute," Kahaner says.

That's one hella big magazine...

I hate it when people come out with these statistics. Sure, you can spray 600-700 rounds per minute with the never-ending magazine.

just the US anti-gun progaganda at work.
 

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
AK47s are not hard to get. There's a gun shop a mile away from me that has several hanging on the wall for sale. They're quite cheap too. They're only semi-auto, but converting them isn't all that hard last I checked.

That fire rate is not any higher than other typical rifles on full auto.

How is an AK47 any more intimidating than any other weapon pointed at your head?

Nice propaganda piece though. Let's focus on the weapon instead of the guy that used it.

I went to a gun show where they were selling automatic AK-47 "part kits." The part kit was every part necessary to build a full-auto AK-47. :D I'm not sure how legal that was...

An AK-47 is really only more intimidating because of the "image" it has, thanks mostly to the media.
 

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couple things:
1) You can't tell a semi auto AK from a fully auto AK by just looking at it. You definitely can't tell that from security video footage. Unless the robbers actually sprayed something, they could very well have used a legal semi auto AK.

2)AK47 aren't that hard to be found fully auto. I'd be willing to bet that majority of illegal fully auto rifles are AK47. It doesn't take too much work to mill out a repeating receiver.

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I would pull the BS card on their story, if the car thing wasn't such an obvious giveway to getting caught. There might be something to their story.
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: bignateyk
hmm that seatlleweekly article is interesting... wonder if theres any truth to their motive

Here's my theory...

They were ordered to commit the robbery by their commanding officer. But when they returned from their successful mission, they found that the base had been overrunned, their CO was killed, and his headquarters was burned to the ground, leaving no proof that they were acting under orders. They will soon escape and go underground. They'll drive around in a kick-ass van coming to the aid of anyone who is being hassled by bad guys. They'll fire a lot of bullets, blow a lot of stuff up, and flip a lot of cars, but they'll never actually kill any of the bad guys - at least not on camera.
 

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: bignateyk
hmm that seatlleweekly article is interesting... wonder if theres any truth to their motive

Here's my theory...

They were ordered to commit the robbery by their commanding officer. But when they returned from their successful mission, they found that the base had been overrunned, their CO was killed, and his headquarters was burned to the ground, leaving no proof that they were acting under orders. They will soon escape and go underground. They'll drive around in a kick-ass van coming to the aid of anyone who is being hassled by bad guys. They'll fire a lot of bullets, blow a lot of stuff up, and flip a lot of cars, but they'll never actually kill any of the bad guys - at least not on camera.

My first thought when I saw the title was the A-team also. :thumbsup:
 
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Originally posted by: BoberFett
AK47s are not hard to get. There's a gun shop a mile away from me that has several hanging on the wall for sale. They're quite cheap too. They're only semi-auto, but converting them isn't all that hard last I checked.

That fire rate is not any higher than other typical rifles on full auto.

How is an AK47 any more intimidating than any other weapon pointed at your head?

Nice propaganda piece though. Let's focus on the weapon instead of the guy that used it.

In all fairness the weapons are relevant to the story in that they were apparently brought back from Afghanistan by American GIs as war trophies. Actually if memory serves a senior general during the first Gulf War (he might even have the CINC of CENTCOM at the time) got in very serious trouble for doing the same thing.

Curiously the DC snipers were also by-products of Fort Lewis (the elder sniper, Muhammed, was stationed there and taught his stepson to shoot in their yard, hence the fact that the first news we saw on the identity of the snipers came when the FBI got a warrant and confiscated a tree from the yard of the house they had rented, full of .223 bullets).
 

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"The robbers steered clear of any dye packs and passed over bait bills with prerecorded serial numbers."

-and... how did they obtain these prerecorded data samples?
 

RagingBITCH

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That second link...well either the soldiers really are THAT DUMB, or they really did want to get caught. Why bother going in with masks, etc though? Why not just leave a business card or write your names in spray paint on the wall? Something doesn't add up.