Arizona's Next Immigration Target: Children of Illegals

BoomerD

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20100612/us_time/08599199606400

"Anchor babies" isn't a very endearing term, but in Arizona those are the words being used to tag children born in the U.S. to illegal immigrants. While not new, the term is increasingly part of the local vernacular because the primary authors of the nation's toughest and most controversial immigration law are targeting these tots - the legal weights that anchor many undocumented aliens in the U.S. - for their next move.

Buoyed by recent public opinion polls suggesting they're on the right track with illegal immigration, Arizona Republicans will likely introduce legislation this fall that would deny birth certificates to children born in Arizona - and thus American citizens according to the U.S. Constitution - to parents who are not legal U.S. citizens. The law largely is the brainchild of state Sen. Russell Pearce, a Republican whose suburban district, Mesa, is considered the conservative bastion of the Phoenix political scene. He is a leading architect of the Arizona law that sparked outrage throughout the country: Senate Bill 1070, which allows law enforcement officers to ask about someone's immigration status during a traffic stop, detainment or arrest if reasonable suspicion exists - things like poor English skills, acting nervous or avoiding eye contact during a traffic stop. (See the battle for Arizona: will a border crackdown work?)

But the likely new bill is for the kids. While SB 1070 essentially requires of-age migrants to have the proper citizenship paperwork, the potential "anchor baby" bill blocks the next generation from ever being able to obtain it. The idea is to make the citizenship process so difficult that illegal immigrants pull up the "anchor" and leave. (See pictures of the Great Wall of America.)

The question is whether that would violate the U.S. Constitution. The 14th Amendment states that "all persons, born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States." It was intended to provide citizenship for freed slaves and served as a final answer to the Dred Scott case, cementing the federal government's control over citizenship.

But that was 1868. Today, Pearce says the 14th Amendment has been "hijacked" by illegal immigrants. "They use it as a wedge," Pearce says. "This is an orchestrated effort by them to come here and have children to gain access to the great welfare state we've created." Pearce says he is aware of the constitutional issues involved with the bill and vows to introduce it nevertheless. "We will write it right." He and other Republicans in the red state Arizona point to popular sympathy: 58% of Americans polled by Rasmussen think illegal immigrants whose children are born here should not receive citizenship; support for that stance is 76% among Republicans.

Those who oppose the bill say it would lead to more discrimination and divide the community. Among them is Phoenix resident Susan Vie, who is leading a citizen group that's behind an opposing ballot initiative. She moved to the U.S. 30 years ago from Argentina, became a naturalized citizen and now works as a client-relations representative for a vaccine company. "I see a lot of hate and racism behind it," Vie says. "Consequently, I believe it will create - and it's creating it now - a separation in our society." She adds, "When people look at me, they will think, 'Is she legal or illegal?' I can already feel it right now." Vie's citizen initiative would prohibit SB 1070 from taking affect, place a three-year moratorium on all related laws - including the anchor baby bill - to buy more time for federal immigration reform. Her group is racing to collect 153,365 signatures by July 1 to qualify for the Nov. 2 general election.

Both sides expect the anchor baby bill to end up before the U.S. Supreme Court before it is enacted. "I think it would be struck down as facially unconstitutional. I can't imagine a federal judge saying this would be OK," says Dan Barr, a longtime Phoenix lawyer and constitutional litigator. Potentially joining the anchor baby bill at the Supreme Court may be SB 1070, which Arizona Republican Governor Jan Brewer signed into law in April. It is set to take effect July 29, but at least five courtroom challenges have been filed against it. Pearce says he will win them all."



It's about time that SOMEONE in this country attempted to close the "anchor baby" loophole that so many illegals use to keep a foothold in this country as well as to provide them an avenue to the welfare system.

As the article points out, the 14th amendment was never intended to provide a "haven" for illegal immigrants, it was to provide a means of citizenship for freed slaves.

This NEEDS to be properly addressed with a Constitutional Amendment instead of just piecemeal by state law, but it's a start...and greatly overdue.

We'll see if Arizona actually tilts at the 14th amendment windmill...or if this is just posturing...I hope it's for real...and I hope they manage to "write it right" so that it doesn't get dismissed as unconstitutional.
 

Freshgeardude

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Good.

I feel the 14th amendment has been abused too far.

Why should I a taxpayer of the next generation have to support the children of illegal immigrants because they automatically become legal?

Lets not forget, the illegals today do not have large incomes to help their families, so, their children will likely not go to college and instead work to help their family. these people wont have good educations and will live on welfare.


I wish the country would follow in Arizona's footsteps and vote people like those in arizona into power because they are obviously doing a good job.

As seen by SB 1070, most of the country agrees with the law, only the liberals , including obama, are making a fuss over it.
 

khon

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And here I thought Republicans were all about the constitution ? But I guess that only applies when its convenient.

Bush found the 4th and 8th amendments inconvenient so he ignored them, guess the 14th is next in line.
 

ebaycj

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I think it's funny that nobody in Minnesota is complaining about all those Canadian "Anchor Babies".
 

spacejamz

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I think it's funny that nobody in Minnesota is complaining about all those Canadian "Anchor Babies".

I think it's funny that you can't see that Canadians aren't sneaking into this country illegally and siphoning our welfare system dry
 

Jaskalas

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Illegals MUST be stopped. This is an unfortunately necessary procedure to stopping them.
 

shortylickens

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I think it's funny that nobody in Minnesota is complaining about all those Canadian "Anchor Babies".

I grew up in Minnesota. I left for the Navy in 1997. Every year I go back I see more and more illegals from south of the border, mostly Mexico.

Canadians are not causing any problems. They dont bring condoms full of cocaine in their asses, they speak english, they dont start gangs to kill each other for territory. I think if more illegals were like Canadians we wouldnt have all the hatred we do.
 

rudder

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I think it's funny that nobody in Minnesota is complaining about all those Canadian "Anchor Babies".

Racists!!!!! or could it be that people don't want to leave Canada in the numbers that they want to leave Mexico? If Canada was a third world nation and people were crossing the border by the millions and depressing wages... you would hear an uproar.
 

child of wonder

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I don't approve of Arizona's original law where officers are required to ask for papers, but I do support this.

At least one of the parents must be a legal citizen in order for the baby to be a citizen.
 

Red Dawn

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Racists!!!!! or could it be that people don't want to leave Canada in the numbers that they want to leave Mexico? If Canada was a third world nation and people were crossing the border by the millions and depressing wages... you would hear an uproar.
Well keep in mind that this law will also apply to Canadian Anchor babies...in Arizona.
 

nageov3t

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I'd support amending the 14th amendment.

aren't the dutch working on a new law that would make it mandatory that you've been a resident for like 10 years before you can access their social services?
 

Hacp

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Well something must be done about anchor babies but Arizona is going way out of its jurisdiction here. However, its good to bring this subject to the attention of the American people.Something must be done to prevent them from sucking away the taxpayer resources.

We spend way too much money on the education of anchor babies. New Jersey spends 27k a year per student. I highly doubt that the illegals pay 27k in taxes.
 

Hacp

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I grew up in Minnesota. I left for the Navy in 1997. Every year I go back I see more and more illegals from south of the border, mostly Mexico.

Canadians are not causing any problems. They dont bring condoms full of cocaine in their asses, they speak english, they dont start gangs to kill each other for territory. I think if more illegals were like Canadians we wouldnt have all the hatred we do.

No. No illegals period, whether they be Canadian or Mexican or anywhere else. There is a reason we have quotas on immigration. Its to prevent our country from being overpopulated and being an unemployment shithole.D:
 

shortylickens

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No. No illegals period, whether they be Canadian or Mexican or anywhere else. There is a reason we have quotas on immigration. Its to prevent our country from being overpopulated and being an unemployment shithole.D:

True buts thats a separate issue. I have no beef with the current numbers for legal immigration. I agree that too many illegals fucks things up, but they are separate issues and need to be dealt with separately. If we start looking at both at the same time I am afraid someone up high will reach the conclusion that the illegals are more than enough bodies and we need to nix all immigration. I do NOT want this to be the United States of Mexico. If we are gonna let one group take over I'd rather it was Chinese or Indians.
 

blackangst1

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Great law, but Im afraid it wont stand under SCOTUS as long as the 14th Amendment stands. But, as others have pointed out, it DOES bring light to the issue, which in and of itself is important.
 

ConstipatedVigilante

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And here I thought Republicans were all about the constitution ? But I guess that only applies when its convenient.

Bush found the 4th and 8th amendments inconvenient so he ignored them, guess the 14th is next in line.

It may be in the constitution, but the 14th amendment was never intended to be used as the illegals are using it. It was put in place to grant citizenship to the released slaves, nothing more.
 
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Wow. You guys are racists.

Opposing illegal immigration = racist?

How so? Is it possible that you are a moron for failing to realize that there are very legitimate non-racist non-xenophobic reasons for opposing mass immigration, such as economic and environmental reasons?
 
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Great law, but Im afraid it wont stand under SCOTUS as long as the 14th Amendment stands. But, as others have pointed out, it DOES bring light to the issue, which in and of itself is important.

Not necessarily, see:

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters4608

According to the Constitution's 14th Amendment, ratified in 1868 to ensure citizenship for the newly emancipated African Americans, "all persons, born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States." The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was intended to exclude from automatic citizenship American-born persons whose allegiance to the United States was incomplete. For example, Native Americans were excluded from American citizenship because of their tribal jurisdiction. Also not subject to American jurisdiction were foreign visitors, ambassadors, consuls, and their babies born here. In the case of illegal aliens, their native country has a claim of allegiance on the child. Therefore, some Constitutional scholars argue that the completeness of the allegiance to the United States is impaired and logically precludes automatic citizenship. However, this issue has never been directly decided by the U.S. Supreme Court.
 

Mr. Lennon

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I'd support amending the 14th amendment.

aren't the dutch working on a new law that would make it mandatory that you've been a resident for like 10 years before you can access their social services?

I think Arizona would have a better chance passing a similar law. Messing with the 14th amendment won't get them anywhere.
 
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peonyu

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I think it's funny that you can't see that Canadians aren't sneaking into this country illegally and siphoning our welfare system dry

Nice troll post to try and derail from the real issue. Let me know when Canada becomes a third world country, because right now thier quality of life is better than ours...Im sure more Americans border hop to Canada than vice versa.