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Arizona, the most Constitutional state left in the union

exdeath

exdeath

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100416/ap_on_re_us/us_xgr_concealed_weapons_arizona

It's also been legal to carry into bars if you're not drinking for quite some time now, and there haven't been any blood baths, wow!

Only thing is my full size USP 40 that I open carry is too big to be concealed comfortably anyway. Maybe time to look into a Kahr or something.

Bills like this one have been backed by the public and the AZ congress repeatedly, and have been single handedly defeated every time by our totalitarian liberal ex governor with her own agenda, who is now secretary of homeland defense... ugh.
 
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UberNeuman said:
Why can't I drink and carry my gun in a Arizona bar - why my rights takin way!!!!?!!!
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Considering bars are private property to begin with, you nor the government have any say in that honestly.

Even if it was legal, I guarantee you 100% of bars would prohibit it or make you check your gun at the counter by their own choice, and gun enthusiasts would happily comply without complaint. Even the most aggressive of gun rights advocates and enthusiasts agree that guns and alcohol don't mix.

The topic of "rights" has to do with GOVERNMENT making a mandatory decision for ALL parties, it never had anything to do with voluntarily complying with the rules on another person's private property.
 
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exdeath said:
Considering bars are private property to begin with, you nor the government have any say in that honestly.
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So, if a private owner of a bar allows you to have a drink with your little metal approximation of your manhood by your side, then the state allows it..

Other words, since it's not allowed - then why chirp about how "nothing has happened..."

\because if it was allowed, they'd be some shootin's who stole the place at tha video poker machine, or over some woman that got to sleepin' with someone - or to be fair, some woman that got dun tired of her cheatin' man...
 
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UberNeuman said:
So, if a private owner of a bar allows you to have a drink with your little metal approximation of your manhood by your side, then the state allows it..
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You're one of THOSE... there is no reasoning with you. Anything that anybody has that either you don't approve of, are scared of, or is better or bigger or more expensive than you can afford is automatically "unnecessary" and "compensating for something".

Other words, since it's not allowed - then why chirp about how "nothing has happened..."
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Gun haters like yourself screamed and cried that letting guns into bars *period*, even for people who aren't consuming, would lead to blood shed, and it turned out to be false, like every other leftist anti gun doomsday scenario ever painted.

\because if it was allowed, they'd be some shootin's who stole the place at tha video poker machine, or over some woman that got to sleepin' with someone - or to be fair, some woman that got dun tired of her cheatin' man...
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People who are predispositioned to commit crimes are irrelevant to this topic, as they will do whatever they want anyway, whether it's a bar or anywhere else.
 
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exdeath said:
You're one of THOSE... there is no reasoning with you. Anything that anybody has that either you don't approve of or is better or bigger than yours is "unecessary" and "compensating for something".



Gun haters like yourself screamed and cried that letting guns into bars *period*, even for people who aren't consuming, would lead to blood shed, and it turned out to be false, like every other leftist anti gun doomsday scenario ever painted.
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Sorry, I'm not a "gun hater" and have supported the rights of those who choose to carry - even the protester that appeared at the Obama visit with his weapon in tow...

But don't say:
"It's also been legal to carry into bars if you're not drinking for quite some time now, and there haven't been any blood baths, wow!"
as if it's proof of something - let them mens and womens get liquored up - and by, god, you'll see some fireworks....
 
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UberNeuman said:
So, if a private owner of a bar allows you to have a drink with your little metal approximation of your manhood by your side, then the state allows it..

Other words, since it's not allowed - then why chirp about how "nothing has happened..."

\because if it was allowed, they'd be some shootin's who stole the place at tha video poker machine, or over some woman that got to sleepin' with someone - or to be fair, some woman that got dun tired of her cheatin' man...
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Aye. It's just going to make what happens anyway, happen easier. Not much diff cleanin up after a gun-fight than a knife-fight.
 
UberNeuman said:
Sorry, I'm not a "gun hater" and have supported the rights of those who choose to carry - even the protester that appeared at the Obama visit with his weapon in tow...

But don't say:
"It's also been legal to carry into bars if you're not drinking for quite some time now, and there haven't been any blood baths, wow!"
as if it's proof of something - let them mens and womens get liquored up - and by, god, you'll see some fireworks....
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I am from IL, our legislators still make arguments that we will have blood baths if we can carry guns. I wish he was arguing against a strawman, but they really do say it still.
 
Yet this same AZ legislature also passed a patently unconstitutional law allowing police officers to detain anyone who can't provide immediate proof of citizenship upon demand. Driver's licenses don't cut it. How many folks here carry their passport at all times?
 
IronWing said:
Yet this same AZ legislature also passed a patently unconstitutional law allowing police officers to detain anyone who can't provide immediate proof of citizenship upon demand. Driver's licenses don't cut it. How many folks here carry their passport at all times?
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why not link driver's license to gun license? so when they look up in the computer it will show up with both.
 
UberNeuman said:
Sorry, I'm not a "gun hater" and have supported the rights of those who choose to carry - even the protester that appeared at the Obama visit with his weapon in tow...

But don't say:
"It's also been legal to carry into bars if you're not drinking for quite some time now, and there haven't been any blood baths, wow!"
as if it's proof of something - let them mens and womens get liquored up - and by, god, you'll see some fireworks....
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Except it's perfectly legal to drink and carry in a number of states, and no negative impacts have occurred. Some states let you into bars, but no drinking, others let you drink, but no bars, and some let you do whatever the hell you want. In none of them has there been any statistically significant negative outcomes from these rules.
 
exdeath said:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100416/ap_on_re_us/us_xgr_concealed_weapons_arizona

It's also been legal to carry into bars if you're not drinking for quite some time now, and there haven't been any blood baths, wow!

Only thing is my full size USP 40 that I open carry is too big to be concealed comfortably anyway. Maybe time to look into a Kahr or something.

Bills like this one have been backed by the public and the AZ congress repeatedly, and have been single handedly defeated every time by our totalitarian liberal ex governor with her own agenda, who is now secretary of homeland defense... ugh.
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I recommend you broaden your criteria for Constitutionality to more than the ability to carry guns.
 
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Siddhartha said:
I recommend you broaden your criteria for Constitutionality to more than the ability to carry guns.
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lolumad


For the class issue, the people selling the guns should just make sure people know how to use them/keep them clean/whatever before they walk out of the store.
 
exdeath said:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100416/ap_on_re_us/us_xgr_concealed_weapons_arizona

It's also been legal to carry into bars if you're not drinking for quite some time now, and there haven't been any blood baths, wow!

Only thing is my full size USP 40 that I open carry is too big to be concealed comfortably anyway. Maybe time to look into a Kahr or something.

Bills like this one have been backed by the public and the AZ congress repeatedly, and have been single handedly defeated every time by our totalitarian liberal ex governor with her own agenda, who is now secretary of homeland defense... ugh.
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Just trade it for the compact one, i think they're worth about the same.

I would limit the bar thing to concealed carry only; I can see some drunk tard trying to yank your gun out of the holster.
 
Didn't Arizona just pass a law that requires everyone to carry their immigration papers at all times, and subjects people to random and arbitrary stops by law enforcement to check said papers?

Doesn't sound very "Constitutional" to me.

- wolf
 
woolfe9999 said:
Didn't Arizona just pass a law that requires everyone to carry their immigration papers at all times, and subjects people to random and arbitrary stops by law enforcement to check said papers?

Doesn't sound very "Constitutional" to me.

- wolf
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Who cares about the rest of the Constitution when I can carry guns? 🙄
 
woolfe9999 said:
Didn't Arizona just pass a law that requires everyone to carry their immigration papers at all times, and subjects people to random and arbitrary stops by law enforcement to check said papers?

Doesn't sound very "Constitutional" to me.

- wolf
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Lots of states have the "stop and identify" clause on their statues.
 
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