Arizona Shooter ALLEGED To Be A Member Of Racist Website "American Renaissance"

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JulesMaximus

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You idiots just don't seem to get it. The guy was a loony toon, a complete nutcase. Your tiny little liberal brains are wired to always seek out someone or something else to blame instead of the actual person responsible.

You forgot law abiding gun owner...he was also one of those.
 

Phokus

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It's refreshing that there are a FEW conservatives are honest about the violent sociopaths that make up a significant number of the rightwing:

I'm a conservative, but find this kind of behavior absolutely reprehensible. I recently went to a backyard cookout with a few neighbors (this is an almost 100% 'Republican' area), and was shocked at: A) How fucking idiotic most of them were and B) How often I heard people talking about assassinating the POTUS and other 'liberals/commies'

Arkaign circa 2008/2009

Thank you Arkaign for your refreshing honesty. One of the better ATPN rightwingers

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ConstipatedVigilante

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Well who else but somebody with a few loose screws would belong to an Ultra Right Wing Racist org?

You're a typical Right Winger but I'd never associate you with those nuts just like I wouldn't associate a typical Left Winger with some Communist Terrorist group
Exactly. No one (who is sane) says that leftists are to blame for Chairman Mao - he had his own agenda that communism supported. This guy was just crazy and easily influenced. I bet if his role models (whoever they were) had talked about left-wing viewpoints instead of right-wing ones, he would have gone that way instead.

JulesMaximus said:
You forgot law abiding gun owner...he was also one of those.
How many times must it be said? It's not that hard to get a gun even with a criminal record. If more people in that area had been carrying a gun, this guy would have been taken out sooner and fewer good people would be dead or injured.

Edit: What I would support, however, is making a mental and background check mandatory for owning a gun. Many states already have laws for this, but if this man could simply walk into a store and buy a gun, the laws in Arizona supporting this need to be strengthened.
 
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The majority of the people are sheep, and will vote how they are told to vote.

Lets take my Congressman Kevin Brady (Southeast Texas), who from what I understand voted for the bank bail out. Even though people were angry about the bailout, they were not angry enough to vote Kevin Brady out of office. There was a Libertarian candidate running against Mr. Brady, but the people reelected Kevin Brady. I voted for the Libertarian candidate.

True change in government will only happen when people change the way they vote. Or, when the elected officials are removed by force.

A Republic can only exist when the people stay educated on political affairs. But with todays generation, they are more content to watch soap operas, then to pay attention to their government.

So you didn't like how people voted because you didn't agree and because of that you deem that everyone but you are sheep and that the democratically elected candidate needs to be removed by force?

Hmmmm, i think that has been tried before, a great number of time actually and every nation where it has been tried is now a shithole ruled by force rather than elections.

Perhaps you should be real fucking careful what you wish for because there is nothing saying that the governing force would give a shit about what you think is right once its put in place.

When i read shit like this i am not the least bit surprised that some unhinged beautiful being does exactly what you are saying but too chickenshit scared to do yourself, a bit more insane and you'll make a great domestic terrorist any day.
 

bfdd

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It's refreshing that there are a FEW conservatives are honest about the violent sociopaths that make up a significant number of the rightwing:



Arkaign circa 2008/2009

Thank you Arkaign for your refreshing honesty. One of the better ATPN rightwingers

:thumbsup:

And most my friends are "liberals" and I have heard them say the same kind of crap. Are you just trying to point out that people say stupid shit that they'd never actually do?
 

Red Dawn

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How many times must it be said? It's not that hard to get a gun even with a criminal record. If more people in that area had been carrying a gun, this guy would have been taken out sooner and fewer good people would be dead or injured.
I've heard that a few times but from witnesses accounts it happened so fast that before they realized what was happening it was over (or he had emptied his clip) and bystanders were jumping on him and disarming him.
 

cwjerome

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Why is the shooter a "nut case"?

Do you classify people like the founding fathers nut cases? What about everyone that took up arms in the Revolutionary War, are they nut cases as well?

This nation was founded on armed resistance to the government.

I'm assuming you're not a total dumbshit so I'll respond. He was crazy because he thought the government was secretly trying to control English grammar, and among other things, he thought shooting a Congresswoman was a reasonable course of action. He's a nut case because he shot and killed a nine year old girl over some belief.

If you think this is anything like the Revolutionary War then I would say you know exactly dick about history and have little more common sense than the shooter. Context means everything, and if you think Washington would have walked into a crowd of English and started popping caps into people, or this tragedy in any way resembles "armed resistance to the government" then please go live in a cave somewhere, preferably Afghanistan. I hear there are some people over there who resisting their government, they must be like Ben Franklin too.
 

hal2kilo

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Why is the shooter a "nut case"?

Do you classify people like the founding fathers nut cases? What about everyone that took up arms in the Revolutionary War, are they nut cases as well?

This nation was founded on armed resistance to the government.

Keep digging.
 

werepossum

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Like I've already said: I have no idea if she was a good politician or not, which means I have no idea if this guy - in my logic - was justified in doing what he did or not.

I disagree. When I say exhaust all options, I really man, exhaust all options. I doubt he wrote/called to her office multiple times. I doubt he raised his issues with political representation in his state. I think it'd be very hard, and time consuming, to truly exhaust all options. But lets say he had...

...what is his resource then? Should he just lay down and take it? Be subservient? "Know his place"?

Why? What is freedom if you're not free? Look at what you advocate below in your next sentences

This is a terrible idea IMO. Elected officials should live in mentally guarded fear of their populace. Anything other than that leads to perverted representation, which we can so aptly see demonstrated in any political entity we have: Pick one.

He may very well be a nutcase (likely is)...doesn't mean armed resistance shouldn't be an option...

Chuck
Being free means being unconstrained in choosing how to live your life, how to allocate your own resources. Being free means being able to choose without compulsion from the options available to you, including working to create other options. Being free does NOT mean getting your own way. Being free does NOT mean the right to remove those choices from others. If anyone has exhausted all means at his disposal and cannot order society to his liking, then yes, I expect him to "take it" in the position of his choice. There is no amount of lobbying or letter-writing that earns for one the right to kill those who disagree. We cannot all have our way with society; many of us will necessarily be disappointed. If those disappointed persons turn to violence, then we have civil war, at some scale, whereupon even more people cannot have their way.

And if our political representatives live in fear of the populace, they will do what those in power have always done when they fear the populace: they will act to remove the threat to themselves, to disarm us and oppress us to the point we no longer pose a threat to them.
 

trenchfoot

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Being free means being unconstrained in choosing how to live your life, how to allocate your own resources. Being free means being able to choose without compulsion from the options available to you, including working to create other options. Being free does NOT mean getting your own way. Being free does NOT mean the right to remove those choices from others. If anyone has exhausted all means at his disposal and cannot order society to his liking, then yes, I expect him to "take it" in the position of his choice. There is no amount of lobbying or letter-writing that earns for one the right to kill those who disagree. We cannot all have our way with society; many of us will necessarily be disappointed. If those disappointed persons turn to violence, then we have civil war, at some scale, whereupon even more people cannot have their way.

And if our political representatives live in fear of the populace, they will do what those in power have always done when they fear the populace: they will act to remove the threat to themselves, to disarm us and oppress us to the point we no longer pose a threat to them.

I don't agree with everything you've said in this post, but well said nontheless.:thumbsup:
 

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http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/01/dhs_has_not_determined_possibl.html

Official: DHS has not determined any possible ties between Arizona shooter and right wing group

For the last 24 hours, the Web has been alive with speculation that the Arizona shooter has some sort of ties to a right-wing group called American Renaissance. The primary source for this claim is a Fox News report from yesterday saying that law enforcement had made this determination based on information provided by the Department of Homeland Security.
 
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Being free means being unconstrained in choosing how to live your life, how to allocate your own resources. Being free means being able to choose without compulsion from the options available to you, including working to create other options. Being free does NOT mean getting your own way. Being free does NOT mean the right to remove those choices from others. If anyone has exhausted all means at his disposal and cannot order society to his liking, then yes, I expect him to "take it" in the position of his choice. There is no amount of lobbying or letter-writing that earns for one the right to kill those who disagree. We cannot all have our way with society; many of us will necessarily be disappointed. If those disappointed persons turn to violence, then we have civil war, at some scale, whereupon even more people cannot have their way.

And if our political representatives live in fear of the populace, they will do what those in power have always done when they fear the populace: they will act to remove the threat to themselves, to disarm us and oppress us to the point we no longer pose a threat to them.

I completely agree but would like to add that those political representatives should live in fear, not of being physically injured but of being called out on every single thing they do, be ridiculed when they deserve it, be prosecuted when they deserve that, be forced to resign when they deserve that and voted out when the voters decide they need to go.
 

CADsortaGUY

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http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/01/dhs_has_not_determined_possibl.html

Official: DHS has not determined any possible ties between Arizona shooter and right wing group

For the last 24 hours, the Web has been alive with speculation that the Arizona shooter has some sort of ties to a right-wing group called American Renaissance. The primary source for this claim is a Fox News report from yesterday saying that law enforcement had made this determination based on information provided by the Department of Homeland Security.

lol... OOOOOPPSSS!!!!!
 

Number1

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http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/01/dhs_has_not_determined_possibl.html

Official: DHS has not determined any possible ties between Arizona shooter and right wing group

For the last 24 hours, the Web has been alive with speculation that the Arizona shooter has some sort of ties to a right-wing group called American Renaissance. The primary source for this claim is a Fox News report from yesterday saying that law enforcement had made this determination based on information provided by the Department of Homeland Security.

The OP is very good at posting misinformation and must be ROFL watching this thread. What an asshole.

He tried the same bit in this OT thread.

Arizona Congresswoman Was A YouTube Fan Of Her Shooter?
 

101mpg

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Does anyone else appreciate the irony that a claim that he was a member of this right wing group came from fox news, was picked up by all the liberal outlets and they ran with it, with only fox news as it's source.
 

Amused

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Does anyone else appreciate the irony that a claim that he was a member of this right wing group came from fox news, was picked up by all the liberal outlets and they ran with it, with only fox news as it's source.

To be fair, it was AP that wrote it, and Fox News picked it up first.
 

werepossum

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I don't agree with everything you've said in this post, but well said nontheless.:thumbsup:
Thanks.
I completely agree but would like to add that those political representatives should live in fear, not of being physically injured but of being called out on every single thing they do, be ridiculed when they deserve it, be prosecuted when they deserve that, be forced to resign when they deserve that and voted out when the voters decide they need to go.
I agree completely. I support holding those with power to higher standards, just not to summary executions! LOL
 

Lanyap

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Still no confirmation. Mmmm, why hasn't the OP's thread title been change since there is no confirmed proof yet.

'Arizona Shooter Was A Member Of Racist Website "American Renaissance"'
 

skyking

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Still no confirmation. Mmmm, why hasn't the OP's thread title been change since there is no confirmed proof yet.

'Arizona Shooter Was A Member Of Racist Website "American Renaissance"'
I was wondering that too. His link in the middle of the thread did not support his statement.
 

dali71

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Still no confirmation. Mmmm, why hasn't the OP's thread title been change since there is no confirmed proof yet.

'Arizona Shooter Was A Member Of Racist Website "American Renaissance"'

I was wondering that too. His link in the middle of the thread did not support his statement.

I just created a thread in moderator discussions about this, so we'll see what happens.
 

chucky2

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Being free means being unconstrained in choosing how to live your life, how to allocate your own resources. Being free means being able to choose without compulsion from the options available to you, including working to create other options. Being free does NOT mean getting your own way.

Agree.

Being free does NOT mean the right to remove those choices from others.

What happens when others remove choices from you?

If anyone has exhausted all means at his disposal and cannot order society to his liking, then yes, I expect him to "take it" in the position of his choice.

The we agree to disagree. I think someone should take it until they can't take it any longer.

There is no amount of lobbying or letter-writing that earns for one the right to kill those who disagree.

Never said there was. It's not the disagreement though, it's the effect of that disagreement. For example, if I disagree with you about leaving my house to burn with my kids in it, and they end up dieing and/or burned, don't expect me to just take it. I'm not going to sue, waste time in court, blah blah blah....you're now going to experience what my kids felt, simple as that.

We cannot all have our way with society; many of us will necessarily be disappointed.

Agree, to a point. And when someone becomes so disgusted and fed up after exhausting all the non-violent options available to him her...

If those disappointed persons turn to violence, then we have civil war, at some scale, whereupon even more people cannot have their way.

...we have this. And there's nothing wrong with that IMO. A good house cleaning when cleaning needs to be done is good for the country.

And if our political representatives live in fear of the populace, they will do what those in power have always done when they fear the populace: they will act to remove the threat to themselves, to disarm us and oppress us to the point we no longer pose a threat to them.

In case you haven't noticed, many of our politicians already try and do that (gun grabbers, excessive police force, etc.). In the US, they'll never disarm the populace. EU obviously they will, but that's EU, it's their own problem and fault.

Chuck
 

Lanyap

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http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/01/dhs_has_not_determined_possibl.html

Official: DHS has not determined any possible ties between Arizona shooter and right wing group

For the last 24 hours, the Web has been alive with speculation that the Arizona shooter has some sort of ties to a right-wing group called American Renaissance. The primary source for this claim is a Fox News report from yesterday saying that law enforcement had made this determination based on information provided by the Department of Homeland Security.


The Left is trying so hard to pin this on the Right. Well, the thread title was updated. Thanks.

Arizona Shooter ALLEGED To Be A Member Of Racist Website "American Renaissance"