ARGH dunno what to do.

[Greyd]

I was all set to buy the Samsung LNT5265F. Then I started reading up on the whole plasma vs. LCD debate. Does anyone have a comparable plasma that has 1080p that could match the Samsung LNT5265F ?


NEED:
-1080p
-price range is around 2.3k or so.
-I watch TONS of movies and HDTV. Occasionally I game, but TV/movies are my main focus.

Let me HAVE IT!!!!

 

[SlickSnake]

DEJA VU?

I made my choice for an Aquos LCD. If you want the Samsung LCD, go for it. If you think the exaggerated contrast ratios on some of the plasmas look good to you, get one of those.

The plasma camp would have you believe they are as trouble free as an LCD, but considering the plasmas market share is rapidly shrinking and major companies like SONY are not making them anymore, what does that tell you? Obviously the companies know a thing or too about plasmas the consumer may not be aware of, like higher return rates or repair problems.

Good luck with your decision!

 

[cubby1223]

I'd take a plasma over an lcd any day, except they are dang expensive, thus I actually have a DLP (and it's fantastic for HD movies).
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-...&qid=1196414943&sr=8-1

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
DEJA VU?

I made my choice for an Aquos LCD. If you want the Samsung LCD, go for it. If you think the exaggerated contrast ratios on some of the plasmas look good to you, get one of those.

The plasma camp would have you believe they are as trouble free as an LCD, but considering the plasmas market share is rapidly shrinking and major companies like SONY are not making them anymore, what does that tell you? Obviously the companies know a thing or too about plasmas the consumer may not be aware of, like higher return rates or repair problems.

Good luck with your decision!

Stop recycling this garbage. If you are making these sort of claims, please provide some links to back yourself up.

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: Greyd
I was all set to buy the Samsung LNT5265F. Then I started reading up on the whole plasma vs. LCD debate. Does anyone have a comparable plasma that has 1080p that could match the Samsung LNT5265F ?


NEED:
-1080p
-price range is around 2.3k or so.
-I watch TONS of movies and HDTV. Occasionally I game, but TV/movies are my main focus.

Let me HAVE IT!!!!

I'd get the 700 series 1080p panasonic. It's a better TV and it will save you money.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
DEJA VU?

I made my choice for an Aquos LCD. If you want the Samsung LCD, go for it. If you think the exaggerated contrast ratios on some of the plasmas look good to you, get one of those.

The plasma camp would have you believe they are as trouble free as an LCD, but considering the plasmas market share is rapidly shrinking and major companies like SONY are not making them anymore, what does that tell you? Obviously the companies know a thing or too about plasmas the consumer may not be aware of, like higher return rates or repair problems.

Good luck with your decision!

:roll:

the guy wanted advice, not lies.

 

[tidehigh]

plasmas seem to have a more movie like feel, with the deeper blacks. lcds are catching up and the best lcds have caught up to all plasmas SAVE ONE. Pioneer 5080. buy it. best value tv out there. seriously buy it.

 

[tidehigh]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
DEJA VU?

I made my choice for an Aquos LCD. If you want the Samsung LCD, go for it. If you think the exaggerated contrast ratios on some of the plasmas look good to you, get one of those.

The plasma camp would have you believe they are as trouble free as an LCD, but considering the plasmas market share is rapidly shrinking and major companies like SONY are not making them anymore, what does that tell you? Obviously the companies know a thing or too about plasmas the consumer may not be aware of, like higher return rates or repair problems.

Good luck with your decision!

:roll:

the guy wanted advice, not lies.

it tells you that LCD did a great marketing job with Jessica Simpsion and the "1080p - I don't even know what that is, but I want it."

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
DEJA VU?

I made my choice for an Aquos LCD. If you want the Samsung LCD, go for it. If you think the exaggerated contrast ratios on some of the plasmas look good to you, get one of those.

The plasma camp would have you believe they are as trouble free as an LCD, but considering the plasmas market share is rapidly shrinking and major companies like SONY are not making them anymore, what does that tell you? Obviously the companies know a thing or too about plasmas the consumer may not be aware of, like higher return rates or repair problems.

Good luck with your decision!

:roll:

the guy wanted advice, not lies.

LOL, that was great.

 

[cliftonite]

Originally posted by: Greyd
I was all set to buy the Samsung LNT5265F. Then I started reading up on the whole plasma vs. LCD debate. Does anyone have a comparable plasma that has 1080p that could match the Samsung LNT5265F ?


NEED:
-1080p
-price range is around 2.3k or so.
-I watch TONS of movies and HDTV. Occasionally I game, but TV/movies are my main focus.

Let me HAVE IT!!!!

If you are going to be watching movies/TV for the most part I thin I would lean towards the plasma. If you were going to use it to game/use an HTPC then I would lean towards the LCD.

I dont think you can go wrong with either one though.

 

[Wuzup101]

It all comes down to what you want. The best way to make a decision is to actually go to a store and look at the sets. If you're serious about buying, they shouldn't have a problem hooking up both sets to a blue ray or HD-DVD player for you. Many stores will happily let you bring in a PS3/360 to hook up and test out. That being said, I personally own a 4065F and it's a beautiful TV. I went with the LCD for 3 main reasons: 1) I got a good deal on it and money was tight. I couldn't afford something bigger than about 42 while getting a quality set. This did limit my options as far as the amount of Plasmas I could consider. Still, I actually almost bought a panasonic pz77u at sears (but couldn't find my damn card). 2) I wanted to use it for a computer monitor quite heavily. I mainly use it for my computer and 360 gaming. I do watch HD-DVDs on it from time to time, and I do watch things like football and such on it (other than that I don't watch much actual TV). 3) IR bothers me.

Now, I'm not talking about permanent damage, which I'm not worried about. Plasma technology has evolved such that permanent damage is really a thing of the past if you take care of your set. For the first 100 hours or so you should be more careful. Most people recomend about a 100 hour break in period where you don't allow any static images to remain on the screen. People say that running the xbox 360 music visualization full screen is great for this... though you could play a bunch of movies or do whatever. After that period you are pretty safe. Any IR should be fixable by running something like the visualization thinger for a while... or using the TVs utility. I personally didn't opt to do this, because I would have static images on a lot, and though the break in period wasn't a problem, I didn't want to have to deal with further conditioning after PC or xbox use.

Now, that being said, as a 65F series owner, I would say that you should definitely at least consider some of the plasma TVs on the market in your price range. While the pioneer sets may be a bit more than you want to spend, there are good offerings from Samsung (like the 5084) and Panasonic (50pz700U or 750U) that I bet you would love. If you are going to be using this for a theater TV mainly, Plasmas are going to be VERY strong contenders... If I was going bigger than 40... and watching mostly movies... I would probably have opted for a nice plasma without question (gaming on plasmas is also amazing for what it's worth). Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love my 4065F, and I'll have it for quite some time after I graduate, but I definitely could get by using my 24" LCD for a computer monitor if someone wants to donate me a kuro

Also FWIW, statistically plasmas do have a higher failure rate and do have a slightly higher cost per repair than LCDs. However, realize that the failure rate with both technologies is pretty low. If you are really worried about failure, get a warranty from Mack (www.mackcam.com). Obviously, warranty plans are designed to make the company supplying them money, but Mack plans tend to be a good deal cheaper than what you would get at BB or CC. The best way to get piece of mind IMHO... if you think you need that piece of mind anyway....

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: Wuzup101
It all comes down to what you want. The best way to make a decision is to actually go to a store and look at the sets.

You need to be careful here. LCD's excel in bright lighting which is what is usually available in a store environment. Plasma excel in dim lighting which is usually what is available in your home. You can compare at a store but make sure that the displays are calibrated in some way and that the lighting resembles something similar to what is in your home.

Also FWIW, statistically plasmas do have a higher failure rate and do have a slightly higher cost per repair than LCDs.

Please show me statistics to back this up. This is a myth. The latest consumer reports lists Plasma and LCD failure rates at under 3% with Panasonic being the most reliable. IOW, this should not be a factor in your decision.

 

[Shadowknight]

I was talking to some co-worker today, and they pointed out some of the downsides with Plasma:

1. It generates a LOT of heat, noticably increasing them temp of the room
2. I missed part of the conversation here, but supposedly when he was moving to his new house in another state, the movers claimed that they needed to drain the plasma before transporting it, since it's rated as a hazardous substance. They also wanted $500 to put the tv in a safe box for him, and another $500 to take it out of the box after.

Anynway, they still think the picture is better than LCD, but not as good as CRT (which is a dead technology anyway).

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: Shadowknight
I was talking to some co-worker today, and they pointed out some of the downsides with Plasma:

1. It generates a LOT of heat, noticably increasing them temp of the room

Perhaps if you live in a box.

2. I missed part of the conversation here, but supposedly when he was moving to his new house in another state, the movers claimed that they needed to drain the plasma before transporting it, since it's rated as a hazardous substance. They also wanted $500 to put the tv in a safe box for him, and another $500 to take it out of the box after.

Your friend got taken for a ride.

Anynway, they still think the picture is better than LCD, but not as good as CRT (which is a dead technology anyway).

Personally, I've never seen a CRT which can compare to my Plasma. Even my LCD is better than a CRT with the obvious exception of black levels.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: Wuzup101
3) IR bothers me.

Damn acronyms. I kept reading through thinking what does this guy have against infra-red?

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Wuzup101
3) IR bothers me.

Damn acronyms. I kept reading through thinking what does this guy have against infra-red?

lol infrared TV would be sweeeet.

...eh, probably not though

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: tidehigh

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
DEJA VU?

I made my choice for an Aquos LCD. If you want the Samsung LCD, go for it. If you think the exaggerated contrast ratios on some of the plasmas look good to you, get one of those.

The plasma camp would have you believe they are as trouble free as an LCD, but considering the plasmas market share is rapidly shrinking and major companies like SONY are not making them anymore, what does that tell you? Obviously the companies know a thing or too about plasmas the consumer may not be aware of, like higher return rates or repair problems.

Good luck with your decision!

:roll:

the guy wanted advice, not lies.

it tells you that LCD did a great marketing job with Jessica Simpsion and the "1080p - I don't even know what that is, but I want it."

haha true.

and yes...the 5080 is crack. and the 5010 is super crack and it's elite cousin, including the 61" model, is super crack on PCP. I wouldn't call it the best value though. I would however recommend it for anyone willing to spend $2500 on a set. It's way better than any 1080p set priced below it, and better than some at/or greater than its price....

 

[Capt Caveman]

Panasonic TH-50PZ700U

 

[Wuzup101]

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: Wuzup101
It all comes down to what you want. The best way to make a decision is to actually go to a store and look at the sets.

You need to be careful here. LCD's excel in bright lighting which is what is usually available in a store environment. Plasma excel in dim lighting which is usually what is available in your home. You can compare at a store but make sure that the displays are calibrated in some way and that the lighting resembles something similar to what is in your home.

Also FWIW, statistically plasmas do have a higher failure rate and do have a slightly higher cost per repair than LCDs.

Please show me statistics to back this up. This is a myth. The latest consumer reports lists Plasma and LCD failure rates at under 3% with Panasonic being the most reliable. IOW, this should not be a factor in your decision.

1) True, though many people don't have the ability to watch every TV they are considering in a perfect environment. Ideally, you would either be able to watch each TV at a friend's house, or in a viewing room at the store that simulates your home's environment. Many people do buy a few sets on their CC and take them home, set them up, and try them out. They then return the ones that they don't like and keep the "winner." This is possible for some people depending on their credit (but is certainly not possible for everyone). In either case, I would definitely suggest that anyone who is going to buy a TV do so with the knowledge that they can return it. Be very careful with the packaging and the set itself, and make sure to check the store's return policy before buying. In general, BB, CC, WM, etc... will not have the majority of their TVs calibrated properly or in the ideal viewing environment (however some of the larger stores have a special viewing area with quite a few TVs that you can check out in a dimly lit environment. In either case, take that for what it's worth if you are buying - the deciding factor is always how the TV looks to your eyes in your home!

2) This data was possibly old, but I believe it was from an old consumer reports. While I'm not a big fan of CS, they do provide some valid information. I have read the majority of the newer 2007 article and I agree with you. The failure rates are close enough between both types of technology that it's not worth worrying about. However, I never meant that it should be a factor in your decision to begin with. In recent years, the failure rates have always been fairly close. Plasma TVs still do cost a bit more on average to fix (according to that same 2007 CS article). I do think that it may seem like I was making a big deal of this, but I'm not. The fact is, the repair rate and average repair cost is still fairly low on both types of sets... and this shouldn't be a deciding factor in what you buy. Neither should heat produced, electricity used, etc...

In the end, the point is that plasma TVs are a very good option for most people who are looking for a larger TV set. It does come down to personal preference and viewing environment as well as a host of other variables. Also remember, the 65F series does have a glossy screen (unlike the matte screens in many other LCDs). I would never recommend it to people who are going to be using it with direct sunlight on it for the majority of it's use. That being said, it is one of the better LCDs on the market today as far as PQ and features are concerned (especially when you consider the price). My biggest problem is, I would have a hard time recommending it to someone who is going to be using it primarily for movie watching and has the budget of the OP (where he can also buy a few of the nicer plasmas in the 50" range). I really do prefer plasmas in that segment. In either case, I'm fairly neutral on the whole LCD/Plasma/DLP/etc... debate. I know there are strengths and weaknesses to each different type of set. It really just depends on what you want. I mean hell... personally I WANT a 1080p front projector on a 100"+ screen... if I were trying to create a cinema like experience, I would go with that over a plasma However, not everyone has a dedicated theater room to put a projector in.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Wuzup101


In the end, the point is that plasma TVs are a very good option for most people who are looking for a larger TV set. It does come down to personal preference and viewing environment as well as a host of other variables. Also remember, the 65F series does have a glossy screen (unlike the matte screens in many other LCDs). I would never recommend it to people who are going to be using it with direct sunlight on it for the majority of it's use. That being said, it is one of the better LCDs on the market today as far as PQ and features are concerned (especially when you consider the price). My biggest problem is, I would have a hard time recommending it to someone who is going to be using it primarily for movie watching and has the budget of the OP (where he can also buy a few of the nicer plasmas in the 50" range). I really do prefer plasmas in that segment. In either case, I'm fairly neutral on the whole LCD/Plasma/DLP/etc... debate. I know there are strengths and weaknesses to each different type of set. It really just depends on what you want. I mean hell... personally I WANT a 1080p front projector on a 100"+ screen... if I were trying to create a cinema like experience, I would go with that over a plasma However, not everyone has a dedicated theater room to put a projector in.

I pretty much feel the same way you do. just annoyed by a lot of the misinformation out there (intentional or not...and of course, one man's facts is another man's FUD, it seems.. )

to comment on the bolded: I too would like $25k to spend on a 3-chip 1080p front projector....but that ain't happening anytime soon