Aren't they special? One more example of pandering to Muslims.

tvarad

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They fly planes into buildings, hijack airliners and are creating roadblock after roadblock in our efforts at bringing peace to the middle-east, except on their own extremist terms and what do we do: pander to them. BTW, I am not a fan of Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell etc.. but don't they espouse precisely the same kind of special treatment for their brand of Christianity and get routinely ridiculed for it?

Shiite? Sunni? Some in US learn who's who.
 

Termagant

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How is "know they enemy," "racial/ethnic/religious profiling," or even "studying other cultures" pandering?
 

CPA

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Pandering?

This is pandering:

Urban police are taking similar steps. About 100 members of the New York Police Department's hostage negotiating team, for instance, earlier this year spent a day learning to foster cooperation by honoring Muslim customs. For example, when entering a home, leave dogs outside and don't step on prayer rugs. In San Jose, Police Chief Rob Davis is a Mormon, but he has in the past fasted each day during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan in order to foster understanding and closer ties with Muslims in his city.
 

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Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: sandorski
Pandering?

This is pandering:

Urban police are taking similar steps. About 100 members of the New York Police Department's hostage negotiating team, for instance, earlier this year spent a day learning to foster cooperation by honoring Muslim customs. For example, when entering a home, leave dogs outside and don't step on prayer rugs. In San Jose, Police Chief Rob Davis is a Mormon, but he has in the past fasted each day during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan in order to foster understanding and closer ties with Muslims in his city.

It's called community outreach, cops do it all the time whether official or ad hoc, and it greatly fosters relations with the people they are serving and protecting.

Better to "pander" (whaaaaaaa) than to maintain the image of police as jailers watching over non-integrating immigrants (France).
 

tvarad

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I pay taxes in San Jose and the job of the Police Chief is to maintain law and order and not indulge in touchy-feely stuff. If Muslims don't want police dogs in their houses or the police stepping on their prayer rugs, DON'T DO THE CRIME. Same goes to Hindus, Buddhists, Animists, Atheists and whatever and the special beliefs they want to protect.

Where is the ACLU when you really need them?
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: sandorski
Pandering?

This is pandering:

Urban police are taking similar steps. About 100 members of the New York Police Department's hostage negotiating team, for instance, earlier this year spent a day learning to foster cooperation by honoring Muslim customs. For example, when entering a home, leave dogs outside and don't step on prayer rugs. In San Jose, Police Chief Rob Davis is a Mormon, but he has in the past fasted each day during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan in order to foster understanding and closer ties with Muslims in his city.

No it's not, it's just good sense.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: tvarad
I pay taxes in San Jose and the job of the Police Chief is to maintain law and order and not indulge in touchy-feely stuff. If Muslims don't want police dogs in their houses or the police stepping on their prayer rugs, DON'T DO THE CRIME. Same goes to Hindus, Buddhists, Animists, Atheists and whatever and the special beliefs they want to protect.

Where is the ACLU when you really need them?

No, you had to add how that was all you were going to say making even that untrue. And laughing out loud is not saying anything.
 

tvarad

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Aimster,
Aimster:
"LOL

that is all I have to say to your threads."

What an insightful observation. When I give you example after example of how muslims are out of tune with the rest of the world, you give me one or two to prove otherwise and pass it off as mainstream behavior.

I love the U.S. because no group is given special treatment in the Constitution and the laws that emanate from it. It is extremely refreshing for people like me who have come from countries where groups seek such special treatment because of their beliefs (especially muslims), make everyone else second class citizens and use it as a stick to beat everyone else with.
 

Aimster

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You are generalizing

You got some serious issues you need to work out. You are more a danger to Muslims than they are to you.

This thread is 150% stupid.

It's the same as me making a thread every day about "hey look another asian man did this.. arent they all so special?"

You lack common sense to connect the two so I am not even going to bother.
Continue to generalize.

Coming from a Jew, who are the people who are generalized the most in the world, makes no sense to me.. but whatever.
 

tvarad

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Sandorski,
Here's the Dutch version of "good sense". Wonder why one of the most liberal societies in the world has resorted to such a step to protect it's values.

Notice also that it is only the muslims who are complaining about it.
 

tvarad

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Aimster:

"It's the same as me making a thread every day about "hey look another asian man did this.. arent they all so special?""

But the asian man didn't do it AND claim special treatment because he is asian, did he?
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: tvarad
Aimster:

"It's the same as me making a thread every day about "hey look another asian man did this.. arent they all so special?""

But the asian man didn't do it AND claim special treatment because he is asian, did he?

You sound foolish.

You do not understand that you are generalizing?
Do you know what generalizing is?

You sound as if all the Muslims in the U.S got together to ask for special treatment.

This thread is nothing but a hate thread. Look at how it started. You link terrorism to Muslims asking for special treatment.

common sense...... common sense.. common sense...

You must listen to a bunch of republician news networks./radio stations were the average IQ of each listener is probably 80. They get away with their BS, but this is atot. I think the average IQ here is def. above 80...
 

1prophet

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Originally posted by: tvarad
I pay taxes in San Jose and the job of the Police Chief is to maintain law and order and not indulge in touchy-feely stuff. If Muslims don't want police dogs in their houses or the police stepping on their prayer rugs, DON'T DO THE CRIME. Same goes to Hindus, Buddhists, Animists, Atheists and whatever and the special beliefs they want to protect.

Where is the ACLU when you really need them?

If you are looking to the ACLU don't waste your time. Just google CAIR and ACLU.
ACLU member calling for blasphemy laws
The Florida branch of the ACLU recently elected Parvez Ahmed, Chairman of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) to serve as a board member. According to the ACLU?s Florida website, Ahmed was elected as an ?at-large? member in February of this year. According to Ahmed?s bio, he was also the recipient of an ACLU ?civil liberties? award in 2002.

At a CAIR-sponsored event at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C. on February 16, titled ?Religious and Political Perspectives on the Cartoon Controversy,? (just a week and a half after the ACLU and Ahmed formally cemented their relationship), Ahmed called for the government of the United States, and those around the world, to adopt ?blasphemy? laws as a manner to ensure that the cartoons, originally published by a Danish newspaper, could never be published again. At the event, Ahmed stated:

?I think the next steps would be to broaden the scope of anti-hate laws and even contemplate about passing blasphemy laws, because blasphemy with such sacred icons, like the Prophet Muhammad, like the Koran, or the cross, or other religious symbols ? So governments, legislatures, international bodies ? must contemplate about what are the ways in which an anti-blasphemy law can be passed that can protect the right to exercise freedom of religion.?

CAIR Chairman Elected to Board of ACLU-Florida


If a Christian was to propose blasphemy laws all holy hell would break loose, yet when a member of CAIR and the ACLU brings it up little is heard about it.

Now all you atheists, agnostics, secularists, liberals, etc. while you rail about Jesus Camp the foundation for blasphemy laws is being set up with the blessing of the ACLU under the guise of hate crime and hate speech under the false pretense of freedom of religion, right under most of your noses.

Are you willing to sacrifice the Separation of Religion and State because you believe the Religious Right is the only credible threat to your freedoms and turn a blind eye or worse yet, apologize for those that actually have the power to do so like in the speech quoted above?
 

tvarad

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Aimster:

"This thread is nothing but a hate thread."

Innuendo.

How is saying no special treatment for a group, in this case muslims, a hate thread? I have said the same thing applies to Asians, Hindus, Buddhists, Animists and everyone else. Would that constitute hatred towards Asians, Hindus, Buddhists, Animists etc.., by your logic?
 

blackllotus

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Originally posted by: tvarad
What an insightful observation. When I give you example after example of how muslims are out of tune with the rest of the world, you give me one or two to prove otherwise and pass it off as mainstream behavior.

There are 1.4 billion muslims in this world. If even a majority of them fit your ignorant stereotype we would be seeing a lot more violence.
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: tvarad
Aimster:

"This thread is nothing but a hate thread."

Innuendo.

How is saying no special treatment for a group, in this case muslims, a hate thread? I have said the same thing applies to Asians, Hindus, Buddhists, Animists and everyone else. Would that constitute hatred towards Asians, Hindus, Buddhists, Animists etc.., by your logic?


look at how you started this thread.

You linked the Muslims asking for special treatment to the Muslims killing innocent people.

"rolls eyes"

Like I said a billion times now, you GENERALIZE.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: tvarad
Sandorski,
Here's the Dutch version of "good sense". Wonder why one of the most liberal societies in the world has resorted to such a step to protect it's values.

Notice also that it is only the muslims who are complaining about it.

That's totally unrelated to your OP. Also note who in the US would object to the same thing.
 

dmw16

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OP, you are a fool. The Police need to learn how to interact with other cultures. And in case you forgot everyone is INNOCENT until PROVEN GUILTY! Could you imagine the outcry if cops came into a catholic church and knocked over pews and spilled the holy water and trampled on everything else they hold holy?

It is intolerant fools like you that are ruining the fabric of this country. I suggest you pick up a copy of the constitution and bill of rights, read them, and search in yourself to try and figure out what those words mean.
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: Aimster
You are generalizing

You got some serious issues you need to work out. You are more a danger to Muslims than they are to you.

This thread is 150% stupid.

It's the same as me making a thread every day about "hey look another asian man did this.. arent they all so special?"

You lack common sense to connect the two so I am not even going to bother.
Continue to generalize.

Coming from a Jew, who are the people who are generalized the most in the world, makes no sense to me.. but whatever.

Actually us Jews we don`t claim tvarad!!
Due to the very reasons you stated.

 

tvarad

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Sandorski:
" quote:
Originally posted by: tvarad
Sandorski,
Here's the Dutch version of "good sense". Wonder why one of the most liberal societies in the world has resorted to such a step to protect it's values.

Notice also that it is only the muslims who are complaining about it.

That's totally unrelated to your OP. Also note who in the US would object to the same thing."

It's very much related. The Dutch, like the Brits, Danes, French, Swedes etc.. went out of their way to be totally PC in the same manner as the article I posted w.r.t. the Muslims ie. learn and respect their customs. They, in turn, are now seeing the values that they cherish like free speech, equality before and rule of the law coming under threat from Muslims. The U.S. hasn't seen a fraction of the trouble Muslims are causing in countries where they are a significant minority. The experience of the Europeans should be a lesson to the U.S. in terms of what to expect in the years to come.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: tvarad
Sandorski:
" quote:
Originally posted by: tvarad
Sandorski,
Here's the Dutch version of "good sense". Wonder why one of the most liberal societies in the world has resorted to such a step to protect it's values.

Notice also that it is only the muslims who are complaining about it.

That's totally unrelated to your OP. Also note who in the US would object to the same thing."

It's very much related. The Dutch, like the Brits, Danes, French, Swedes etc.. went out of their way to be totally PC in the same manner as the article I posted w.r.t. the Muslims ie. learn and respect their customs. They, in turn, are now seeing the values that they cherish like free speech, equality before and rule of the law coming under threat from Muslims. The U.S. hasn't seen a fraction of the trouble Muslims are causing in countries where they are a significant minority. The experience of the Europeans should be a lesson to the U.S. in terms of what to expect in the years to come.

:roll:
 

tvarad

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Sandorski,
I would suggest you study Islamic intellectual thought and how it's progressed in the last couple of decades. Read up on movements like Wahabism, Deobandism as also the fate of muslims over the centuries who actually tried to bring the religion into the modern age.

That would be better use of your eyes instead of rolling them around.