Aren't human rights violations and genocidal practices enough?
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No, not when we told the world the basis for this invasion was Iraq's violation of resolution 1441, that is its possesion of WMD. If human rights violations and genocidal practices were enough, we should have gone after the regimes in Congo and Angola whose treatment of people makes Saddam look like a boy scout. Our credibility is at stake, WE HAVE TO FIND THE WMD.
No, because our stated reason for going in there was never human rights violations or "genocidal practices". Our official reason for going in there is because of WMD, and people would like to see them. That's not unreasonable.
No, but is it worth more than the life of someone in China protesting in favor of democracy and being crushed for it? Yes if trade agreements and cheap labor are at stake. Any altruism in this invasion was at best a positive side effect, but to claim that Iraqi freedom was one of our real reasons is naive.
rudder
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Give it time. People tend to forget that many of these sites are probably underneath a little rubble at this point. And there is still resistance in many areas of Iraq. Yes, Congo and Angola are dictator run hell holes, but they are not an immediate threat to the security of the U.S. Why do you think we toppled the regime in Afghanistan? Many people think it was so the U.S. could build a pipeline throught the country, but really now I think it was more because the government of afghanistan harbored terrorists that attacked the United States. Don't you think that after 9/11 the terrorists realized that it did not take a lot of manpower to inflict serious casualties and further wreak havoc on the U.S. economy? So here we have Saddam who has been able to decelop wahtever biological, chemical, and/or nuclear devices he wanted. He had plenty of money and resources.
rest assured proof of WMD's will be found. The Iraqis new the U.S. was coming, don't you think they would at least start making it a little harder for the coalition to find evidence? We have some of the top people in charge of these programs in custody as well as scientist. It will only be a matter of time.
Well, if we don't find any WMD it would mean we, Americans, were safe to begin with, not that Saddam could have ever launched an attack on the US. That goes back to my point: No WMD = No threat to the US = No US credibility.
Would the world be a safer and better place if every dictator was overthrown? Of course, but you cannot just wage war on the entire world, you have to show that the nation you are going to war against is a threat, WMD's was what made Irak a threat instead of just another dictatorship in the middle east...
WMD's were the sole reason for this war, it is necessary for the US to actually find some now...
Hopefully, they will...
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
But...but...but.... All the protesters and anti-war folk say this is about Imperialism, oil, and/or getting our 51st state
. I just don't know what to believe anymore.... /sarcasm
CkG
quick edit - "but.... All the protesters " should probably be "but.... Most of the protester " - Just so I don't get beaten up on that
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
But...but...but.... All the protesters and anti-war folk say this is about Imperialism, oil, and/or getting our 51st state
/sarcasm
CkG
quick edit - "but.... All the protesters " should probably be "but.... Most of the protester " - Just so I don't get beaten up on that
LOL, actually, it's all about the woo woo...
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
But...but...but.... All the protesters and anti-war folk say this is about Imperialism, oil, and/or getting our 51st state
/sarcasm
CkG
quick edit - "but.... All the protesters " should probably be "but.... Most of the protester " - Just so I don't get beaten up on that
LOL, but seriously. I know its a complex argument and difficult for many (conservatives) to understand, but the administration says that this war was about WMD, but anti-war protestors argue that it was for many other reasons. Hence, if we do not find WMD, it would support the anti-war argument.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
But...but...but.... All the protesters and anti-war folk say this is about Imperialism, oil, and/or getting our 51st state
/sarcasm
CkG
quick edit - "but.... All the protesters " should probably be "but.... Most of the protester " - Just so I don't get beaten up on that
LOL, but seriously. I know its a complex argument and difficult for many (conservatives) to understand, but the administration says that this war was about WMD, but anti-war protestors argue that it was for many other reasons. Hence, if we do not find WMD, it would support the anti-war argument.
So will all the anti-war protester that feel this is about those "other things" will be proven wrong and kindly STFU once we find WMD? Hmmmmm
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LOL at SnapIT
Woo Woo
CkG
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
But...but...but.... All the protesters and anti-war folk say this is about Imperialism, oil, and/or getting our 51st state
/sarcasm
CkG
quick edit - "but.... All the protesters " should probably be "but.... Most of the protester " - Just so I don't get beaten up on that
LOL, but seriously. I know its a complex argument and difficult for many (conservatives) to understand, but the administration says that this war was about WMD, but anti-war protestors argue that it was for many other reasons. Hence, if we do not find WMD, it would support the anti-war argument.
So will all the anti-war protester that feel this is about those "other things" will be proven wrong and kindly STFU once we find WMD? Hmmmmm
-----
LOL at SnapIT
Woo Woo
CkG
Well i for one will be jumping around the house singing the proverbs backwards...
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
But...but...but.... All the protesters and anti-war folk say this is about Imperialism, oil, and/or getting our 51st state
/sarcasm
CkG
quick edit - "but.... All the protesters " should probably be "but.... Most of the protester " - Just so I don't get beaten up on that
LOL, but seriously. I know its a complex argument and difficult for many (conservatives) to understand, but the administration says that this war was about WMD, but anti-war protestors argue that it was for many other reasons. Hence, if we do not find WMD, it would support the anti-war argument.
So will all the anti-war protester that feel this is about those "other things" will be proven wrong and kindly STFU once we find WMD? Hmmmmm
No, because I beleive that everyone knows that Oil etc. played a role in this regardless of WMD, after all, if Iraq was really such a threat, why did they not attack the Us earlier? and if they had WMD, why didn't Saddam order them to be used when it was obvious his demise was near?
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
But...but...but.... All the protesters and anti-war folk say this is about Imperialism, oil, and/or getting our 51st state
/sarcasm
CkG
quick edit - "but.... All the protesters " should probably be "but.... Most of the protester " - Just so I don't get beaten up on that
LOL, but seriously. I know its a complex argument and difficult for many (conservatives) to understand, but the administration says that this war was about WMD, but anti-war protestors argue that it was for many other reasons. Hence, if we do not find WMD, it would support the anti-war argument.
So will all the anti-war protester that feel this is about those "other things" will be proven wrong and kindly STFU once we find WMD? Hmmmmm
No, because I beleive that everyone knows that Oil etc. played a role in this regardless of WMD, after all, if Iraq was really such a threat, why did they not attack the Us earlier? and if they had WMD, why didn't Saddam order them to be used when it was obvious his demise was near?
So it's all about the oil? well... you're wrong... now go sit in the corner...
Pakistan has nukes, NK has nukes and have said that an attack on the US is "inevitable" but Irak might have weapons that they might use?
LMAO!
no, they are not enough to justify a war.
north korea: 50 years and counting, who knows how many have died?
china: 50 years and counting
cuba: 40+ years and counting
rwanda: mass genocide, u.s. has never intervened
sudan
zimbabwe
human rights violations/genocide have never been a reason for the u.s. to enter a war alone. bosnia was a war about human rights/genocide, but the u.s. went in with the u.n., not alone.
You seem to be mistaken, what caused the material breach of 1441 was not possesion of WMD, it was non-compliance with disarmament and inspections. Remember, Saddam was required to submit a report detailing his WMD programs, capabilities, quantities, suppliers, etc..., which he did. He was also required to PROVE he had destroyed them, which he never did. Consequently there are TONS of nerve agent and @ 10,000 liters of anthrax still unaccounted for amongst other items. Those are figures submitted top the UN by Iraq. The question of where are they is a very valid one, we have been waiting 12 years for Saddam to answer ourselves. If we don't wind up finding any, where are they?
The US was the driving force for Bosnia, the rest of the world didn't intervene until WE decided to take action, once again EU couldn't handle something so we had to........
This is simply not true, and yes, you are welcome to look it up, i WAS in Bosnia, so i know what happend there...
The UN forces including the Swedish, Norwegian and Brittish ones were in place a long time before the US forces arrived...
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