Are your opinions solidifying in the mobile space?

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I gave up on Mac OS back in 1998 because it was too constrictive. Windows was far more open and offered more choices. Recently, I was not a fan of iOS but started to like it when I got an iPhone 4S for free. My favorite "app" is Microsoft Outlook and the two worked great together (when it comes to contacts). But, again, Apple is far too constrictive and hardware choices are limited. Android offers choices like Windows but Google is simply not on speaking terms with Microsoft as far as Outlook is concerned. Finding a program that probably syncs contacts is impossible unless you're willing to pay or have an HTC phone. Exporting CSV files from Outlook into Gmail is too stupid.

In Google, I've written off Samsung phones because of one thing: blue. Their phones have OLED and their OLEDs are two damn blue. I currently have a Japanese HTC One S for when I'm in Japan (and a new Sony T for Europe and other places) and it's OLED screen is not bluish at all. It is pentile and the resolution is lower but none of that is an issue for me. However, the blues on Samsung's phones are depressing and sickening when looked at too long. Even the pictures of the screen you see on Engadget of the new Note II has a very bluish tint. It's disgusting. The battery life on the Japanese HTC is great but sucks on the one I have for my job.

LG is on my radar but people's opinions scare me. Most people aren't as opinionated about Motorola so that must be good, I guess.

I'm not even looking at Windows Phone because Microsoft is trying to be something they've always been against: Closed (like Apple). It has failed miserably and will most likely take out Europe's last great mobile company, Nokia.

So, Android it is and, until Samsung deals with their overly blue screens, it'll be Sony and HTC for the foreseeable future.
 
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Puddle Jumper said:
You do realize that your phone has a Samsung super amoled display right?
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What difference does it makeif it does or not? It's not bluish like the models from Samsung. Makes you wonder if that is how they're trying to differentiate their OLEDs, by making them depressingly blue???
 
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I'm not sure the point you're trying to make. But to answer the topic...

Are my opinions solidifying in the mobile space? I'd say so, yes. I think battery life and UI smoothness/ease of use are the absolute most important things to get right on a smart phone. For years, Apple was the only one to do it. But now, any good smart phone takes care of this nicely. So the next logical step is productivity.

Now that every nice and expensive smart phone is good enough on battery life and smoothness, we're starting to see some focus on empowering the user. This is where I always knew Apple would fall behind. Never in the history of the company has Apple willingly empowered its users; it's always been about consumption of whatever Apple declares as worthy. But now that Android has caught up in the quality of its UI and battery life, the difference is now quite large. It used to be that iPhone did less, but did everything very well, while Android was a dull Swiss army knife. Now, with the right phone, Android is just plain superior. Users can do practically anything they want, with no compromises. No need to get approval from Apple to work the way you want to work, play how you want to play, or do anything else that serves YOUR needs. I saw this coming, and now it's finally here. The iPhone 5 and iOS 6 fell behind.

Interestingly, Microsoft is historically the complete opposite of Apple; they've made it a point to make software that empowers people. Their software is specifically made to provide function and a means for productivity, all while allowing for choice and a reasonable level of customizability. Weird thing is, though, that Windows Phone 8 has almost no real information released yet, and it seems to be Microsoft's most closed environment ever, save the Xbox.

If Windows Phone 8 offers similar flexibility to Android, it could very well be an amazing experience. The developer tools are an IT department's wet dream, so they'll definitely be popular in corporate environments. But for the consumer, I think Android will continue to climb. Ad with more and more offices adopting bring-your-own-device policies, Android may even creep into the business market.

Android JellyBean really is that damn good. This is coming from a die hard iPhone fan. This was typed on an iPhone. This will be my last iPhone.
 
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slugg said:
I'm not sure the point you're trying to make. But to answer the topic...

Are my opinions solidifying in the mobile space? I'd say so, yes. I think battery life and UI smoothness/ease of use are the absolute most important things to get right on a smart phone. For years, Apple was the only one to do it. But now, any good smart phone takes care of this nicely. So the next logical step is productivity.

Now that every nice and expensive smart phone is good enough on battery life and smoothness, we're starting to see some focus on empowering the user. This is where I always knew Apple would fall behind. Never in the history of the company has Apple willingly empowered its users; it's always been about consumption of whatever Apple declares as worthy. But now that Android has caught up in the quality of its UI and battery life, the difference is now quite large. It used to be that iPhone did less, but did everything very well, while Android was a dull Swiss army knife. Now, with the right phone, Android is just plain superior. Users can do practically anything they want, with no compromises. No need to get approval from Apple to work the way you want to work, play how you want to play, or do anything else that serves YOUR needs. I saw this coming, and now it's finally here. The iPhone 5 and iOS 6 fell behind.

Interestingly, Microsoft is historically the complete opposite of Apple; they've made it a point to make software that empowers people. Their software is specifically made to provide function and a means for productivity, all while allowing for choice and a reasonable level of customizability. Weird thing is, though, that Windows Phone 8 has almost no real information released yet, and it seems to be Microsoft's most closed environment ever, save the Xbox.

If Windows Phone 8 offers similar flexibility to Android, it could very well be an amazing experience. The developer tools are an IT department's wet dream, so they'll definitely be popular in corporate environments. But for the consumer, I think Android will continue to climb. Ad with more and more offices adopting bring-your-own-device policies, Android may even creep into the business market.

Android JellyBean really is that damn good. This is coming from a die hard iPhone fan. This was typed on an iPhone. This will be my last iPhone.
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My point is the different manufacturers are differentiating themselves in such a way that I am more inclined to default with one OEM unless something substantial changes. I know what I want in my phone and, right now, HTC (Outlook syncing) and Sony (design) provide that. I have written off other OEM for the moment.
 
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Yea, Outlook is a big deal. You just can't beat the entire Microsoft Exchange ecosystem. Hell, even Apple pays Microsoft for exchange support. This is one reason why I'm waiting until I get my hands on a Windows 8 phone before signing a 2 year contract. You can bet it'll have the best Exchange/Outlook support out of anything available. But at what cost? We'll see.
 
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Too be honest, I think it is quite the opposite. I think people are going away from manufacturer loyalty in a lot of cases. I have been from an iPhone, to a Samsung, to an HTC, back to a Samsung. With all the choices, I think people are taking a hard look at which phone is the best for them at the time. After my iPhone(just wasn't my cup of tea), I went with Samsung's first Galaxy line. It was a disaster. So I moved to HTC. The HTC was nice, but the battery situation was horrible. I just moved to Verizon, and after playing with all the phones in the store, I decided to go back to Samsung and the S3.

When my contract comes up in two years, or if my phone breaks, I will probably take a look at every phone available to Verizon. I might end up with a Nexus, or even a Motorola. I think more and more people are thinking that way.
 
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I like Motorola for one reason my X and Bionic are bullet proof. I have a toddler who tests my phones like a little man on a mission to break stuff. He has thrown both phones down a flight of stairs (Bionic with out case). All that has happened in some cosmetic dents on corners. X went in the bath tub with him, rice for three days, still works. I don't like their locked boot loaders, but there durability is hard to beat. Also great radios. If Moto made a Nexus I would be in a happy place:) So I guess I know what OEM I am fond of and don't see it changing until that give me a glass phone that breaks from a little 10 foot drop...
 
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Dari said:
What difference does it makeif it does or not? It's not bluish like the models from Samsung. Makes you wonder if that is how they're trying to differentiate their OLEDs, by making them depressingly blue???
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I'm not sure which Samsung phones you have looked at, but neither the Galaxy Nexus nor the S3 that I have in my possession right now look blue.

In fact, they have this warm fuzzy white balance that is very pleasing to me.
 
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runawayprisoner said:
That's the Note II...

And it's in a photo so I'd take that with a healthy grain of salt.

My iPhone, which has a decidedly warm yellow tint also looks blue when the screen is seen through a photo. Unless you see it in person, I don't think you can tell the screen from a photo.
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Yea, if my Galaxy Nexus looked anything like that in person I would be pissed.
 
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runawayprisoner said:
That's the Note II...

And it's in a photo so I'd take that with a healthy grain of salt.

My iPhone, which has a decidedly warm yellow tint also looks blue when the screen is seen through a photo. Unless you see it in person, I don't think you can tell the screen from a photo.
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The GS3 I saw the other day has a very blue hue not unlike the Note II I posted. It was, as you say, warm (and very blue). Nauseating (just like that link I posted).

My HTC One S is not like this at all.
 
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runawayprisoner said:
I'm not sure which Samsung phones you have looked at, but neither the Galaxy Nexus nor the S3 that I have in my possession right now look blue.

In fact, they have this warm fuzzy white balance that is very pleasing to me.
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Have you read any of this guy's other posts? He has a hilarious anti-Samsung crusade going on. Another poster suggested it was the a Japanese/Korean thing, and the near-religious conviction involved would seem to support that.
 
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s44 said:
Have you read any of this guy's other posts? He has a hilarious anti-Samsung crusade going on. Another poster suggested it was the a Japanese/Korean thing, and the near-religious conviction involved would seem to support that.
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And what does this have to do with the overly blue OLED screen you see on their phones?
 
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Dari said:
And what does this have to do with the overly blue OLED screen you see on their phones?
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The few I've seen in person had no such hue so I'm willing to believe the blue hue in that picture is something to do with the lighting or the camera used to take the picture and not how the phone looks in person.
 
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Nothinman said:
The few I've seen in person had no such hue so I'm willing to believe the blue hue in that picture is something to do with the lighting or the camera used to take the picture and not how the phone looks in person.
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They do so it was not surprising to see one like this in a photo. Anyway, I guess we can agree to disagree but that is my majorissues with Samsung phones.
 
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s44 said:
Have you read any of this guy's other posts? He has a hilarious anti-Samsung crusade going on. Another poster suggested it was the a Japanese/Korean thing, and the near-religious conviction involved would seem to support that.
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That's pretty much what it is.
 
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Dari said:
The GS3 I saw the other day has a very blue hue not unlike the Note II I posted. It was, as you say, warm (and very blue). Nauseating (just like that link I posted).

My HTC One S is not like this at all.
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Warm is the opposite of blue. Warm is when a screen is tending towards the red frequencies. Cold is when its tending towards the blue frequencies. The GSIII does not have a problem with a cold screen. Neither does the Galaxy Nexus.
 
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Manufacturer loyalty doesn't really exist. Platform loyalty does though. Especially in the Android arena, I think most tech enthusiasts care about pure Android itself rather than who makes their hardware. I mean, would the Nexus 7 really have been as big a deal if Google didn't brand the device? Would the Kindle Fire without the Amazon content ecosystem have been successful at all?

Part of me does wonder if certain phones and tablets are successful simply because we have been told they should be. The Kindle Fire from last year had terrible software but people still bought it. The Nexus 7 has no significant number of tablet optimized apps. It seems to be too easy to have a successful tablet when the bar is set so horribly low.
 
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Muyoso said:
Warm is the opposite of blue. Warm is when a screen is tending towards the red frequencies. Cold is when its tending towards the blue frequencies. The GSIII does not have a problem with a cold screen. Neither does the Galaxy Nexus.
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Warm is blue and red is cold. White is as hot as something can get and black is as cold as something can get. You have things mixed up.And, yes, it does have a problem with screens that are overly blue (or purple or orange).
 
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Dari said:
Warm is blue and red is cold. White is as hot as something can get and black is as cold as something can get. You have things mixed up.And, yes, it does have a problem with screens that are overly blue (or purple or orange).
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That's only if you are talking about fire...

For screen and color tones, blue is cold and orange/yellow/red is warm.
 
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