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cytg111

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Hell no, if you're on Sandy+ the next thing would/should be coffeelake 6c/12t ... or Zen if it surprises.
 

pj-

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Frys has had it as cheap as $300. Actually the 5820k is very close the kind of CPU I want from Zen, with the key difference that I can use it on a sub-$150 mobo.

I paid $300 for my 5820k and $150 for the mobo ($180 w/ $30 rebate) last summer.

I feel like that was a pretty good deal though because I haven't seen either for less money since.
 

inf64

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I've already bought 4690K and it's running at 4.3Ghz coupled with DDR3-2400Mhz RAM. I see no point in buying KL (either i5 or i7) since I would not get that much better performance for the money spent.
Next upgrade will be to a chip with 6+ cores, with similar (or better IPC) and similar TDP @ stock.
 

Khato

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Not exactly 'waiting' for Kabylake in those terms given that I've had my current i7-6700k for over a year now... But definitely plan to pick up an i7-7700k when available. Expect it'll offer 100-200 MHz higher overclock frequency... and then the Skylake can shift down to the HTPC.
 

poofyhairguy

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I paid $300 for my 5820k and $150 for the mobo ($180 w/ $30 rebate) last summer.

I feel like that was a pretty good deal though because I haven't seen either for less money since.

Yeah that was a good deal.

To be clear though I am more thinking Z board prices- ie $150 when new and $80 when I actually buy them on sale.

I don't think I have paid more than $120 for a motherboard in years, and that one was a special Mini ITX board. $120 is probably my upper limit for mobo cost.
 

Justinbaileyman

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Already bit the bullet on Skylake, but plan to get me one of those 7700k's. Hoping for a nice 5.0-5.2Ghz overclock if those rumors and leaked pictures are all true.
 
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Already bit the bullet on Skylake, but plan to get me one of those 7700k's. Hoping for a nice 5.0-5.2Ghz overclock if those rumors and leaked pictures are all true.

If 7700K can regularly hit 5GHz+ on reasonable cooling, I would seriously consider dumping my BDW-E for one.
 

HexiumVII

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Will 2XX series mobos have USB 3.1 native support? Might wait for that, but i have a few skylakes lying around already, but really like Windows 7 at the office.
 

DaveSimmons

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I'm most likely going to wait.

My gaming PC still has an i5-2500 (non K) at stock and it's still fine for all of the games that I play on it. I upgraded the GPU to a 980ti last year which is probably held back a little by the i5 but I don't notice it so I don't care.

My work PC is an i7-2600 which also is still fine for Visual Studio.

The only reason I might buy this year is I've toyed with playing with Unity or Unreal on my own time, and for that I might want to replace the i5 with an i7 and a modern motherboard with M.2 SSD support and other goodies.
 

bigboxes

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LOL... no. What's the point? My computer is better than most computers out there. I realize that this site is full of enthusiasts. That being said, I'm not in the business of trying to one-up the techies on this site. Update/upgrade your rig to meet your needs, not for your ego.
 

Batmeat

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Still rocking an I7 860. Waiting till cannonlake and 6c processors. Same thing with video cards. no need when HBM memory is so close to mainstream
 

Kitlope

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So here's a question. I have a Gulftown 980 6 core 3.33 Ghz and was wondering if I would see a noticeable difference if I went to a Kaby Lake 4.2 Ghz 4 core. Mostly game playing BF1 and Rust. Am I bottlenecked? 1080 GPU, 18 Gb of DDR3 ram.
 

arandomguy

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The question here really is how much more would you pay for Kabylake/Z270 system over Skylake/Z170, because you will be paying more in terms of real prices unless you want to wait for quite awhile after launch.

And how important really is that performance difference of at most 10% (probably lower)? At the point the performance drop starts factoring in we'll likely be at least on a new uarch with higher core counts per segment in which you'll have to or want to upgrade anyways with you have SKL or KBL.

To me it seems like if you are going to wait it'll either be for Zen, Skylake HEDT, or even Coffee Lake. I'm having a hard time seeing why waiting for KBL over SKL is that important. if you upgrade every new release then you're just upgrading every new release anyways.

Does KL feature full VP9/AC-1 decoding engines?

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10610...six-notebook-skus-desktop-coming-in-january/3

But I'm not sure how important VP9 decode is in practice, or even HEVC, going forward due to AV1.
 
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Justinbaileyman

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If 7700K can regularly hit 5GHz+ on reasonable cooling, I would seriously consider dumping my BDW-E for one.

I dumped my BDW-E asap soon as I tested it against my 6700k in video encoding. the 6700k was almost 50% faster in handbrake and adobe premier. I don't think programs are even ready for more then 4c/8t right now.At least those 2 programs for sure aren't. You would think more cores 6c/12t vs 4c/8t would be faster but for what ever reason its not true at all.I was having the same issue with quite a few games as well like Batman Arkham Knight,Doom,GTA 5, and BF1.where I was getting higher FPS and less dips with the skylake vs BDW-E CPU. So I am sticking with main stream hardware like the 7700k for now. Just hope nothing is changed and performance is still similar to the 6700k but with higher stockclocks and overclocks vs BDW-E. Right now I am thinking the more cores thing is just a gimmick to get people to buy into higher priced hardware.
 
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CHADBOGA

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I am curious. Is anybody here passing on the current Skylake chips and waiting for the Kaby Lake (mainstream) chips?

If so, why? If not, why not?

Have for now lost interest in desktop chips, my main focus in CPU's has switched to notebook/laptop CPU's.


Not really. HSW was about 10% faster clock-for-clock than IVB, SKL about another 12%. If you get that IVB up to 4.9GHz you'll hit 4GHz SKL levels. Of course SKL can regularly hit 4.5GHz+...

But yeah, SNB/IVB i7 chips were/are awesome.

These 10 & 12% figures are obviously highly dependent on the application being run, and on the average, I'm not sure I would go with figures that high, especially the 12% for SKL over HSW.
 

TemjinGold

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Can Z270 work with Skylake? I want the advances from Z270 but not necessarily need a Kaby cpu.
 

poofyhairguy

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I dumped my BDW-E asap soon as I tested it against my 6700k in video encoding. the 6700k was almost 50% faster in handbrake and adobe premier. I don't think programs are even ready for more then 4c/8t right now.At least those 2 programs for sure aren't.

Good info.
 
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I dumped my BDW-E asap soon as I tested it against my 6700k in video encoding. the 6700k was almost 50% faster in handbrake and adobe premier. I don't think programs are even ready for more then 4c/8t right now.At least those 2 programs for sure aren't. You would think more cores 6c/12t vs 4c/8t would be faster but for what ever reason its not true at all.I was having the same issue with quite a few games as well like Batman Arkham Knight,Doom,GTA 5, and BF1.where I was getting higher FPS and less dips with the skylake vs BDW-E CPU. So I am sticking with main stream hardware like the 7700k for now. Just hope nothing is changed and performance is still similar to the 6700k but with higher stockclocks and overclocks vs BDW-E. Right now I am thinking the more cores thing is just a gimmick to get people to buy into higher priced hardware.

Thank you for the insight! Have to agree, per core performance is still king.
 

CropDuster

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So here's a question. I have a Gulftown 980 6 core 3.33 Ghz and was wondering if I would see a noticeable difference if I went to a Kaby Lake 4.2 Ghz 4 core. Mostly game playing BF1 and Rust. Am I bottlenecked? 1080 GPU, 18 Gb of DDR3 ram.
I don't know about Rust, but Battlefield makes great use of extra cores. My X5650 system at 3.8Ghz runs BF like a champ. I'd hold off if that's your primary use.
 
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RichUK

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The geek in me is contemplating a 7350k, purely to break 5ghz and max my memory potential (which is currently running under xmp due to board limations on SKY OC).

De-lid, lap and pump full of volts for 5.5ghz. That'd be nice.
 
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The geek in me is contemplating a 7350k, purely to break 5ghz and max my memory potential (which is currently running under xmp due to board limations on SKY OC).

De-lid, lap and pump full of volts for 5.5ghz. That'd be nice.

That 7350K is a nice way for Intel to end the dual core desktop lineup. Has been a great run!
 
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Ranulf

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My main interest in KL is seeing if it can reliably break 5ghz on air.