Are you underwater on your car?

Riprorin

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I read recently that 1/3 of car owners owe more on than their cars then they are worth.

Given the lenght of the terms and the small amount down, this sounds conceivable.

If so, OUCH!
 

SWScorch

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May 13, 2001
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yep, probably. But the peace of mind of having a reliable car is worth that to me.
 

rh71

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Aug 28, 2001
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we have a '90 and a '95 so we don't owe $#!t. Bad enough trying to keep up with mortgage payments.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
The term is "upside-down", not "under water". :p

ZV

Both terms are appropriate.

Is Stretching the Auto Loan Term a New Trend?

by Carol Anne Burger, CreditUnions.com Writer

Credit unions try to make the new car buying experience as easy as possible but there's one thing they can't save members from experiencing at dealer showrooms: sticker shock. Face it, new cars, trucks and SUVs can be very pricey, and often, a standard four or five year car loan payment can leave members reeling. Still, they want more car, more options and a payment they are able to make.

Several credit unions have come up with a solution that meets all those requirements- the seven-year or eight-year car loan- and they've garnered some mainstream press coverage lately for doing so. A recent article in the Wall Street Journal named Navy Federal, Merrifield, Va., and Summit CU, Madison, Wisconsin as two CUs that offer these extended loans.

The WSJ story left out some salient facts and got some numbers mixed up, but officials at both CUs were glad to see a story that featured credit unions prominently.

"It's not a new kind of loan for us," said Maureen Maddox, VP of Marketing for Summit CU. "As far as I can tell, we've been offering these loans for five years. And it's not just for the sub-prime member. We found there was a need for this product."

Summit CU requires a 25% down payment for the 8-year loans and the minimum borrowed amount is $20,000. Rates are based on the member's credit history but come as low as 6.50% and there are no prepayment penalties. "Most of these are for more expensive vehicles and it makes for a lower monthly payment," said Maddox, who likened it to the amortization of a mortgage. "These cars also hold their value and we find that people turn them over sooner than the full term, but it's not true that the loans typically go "underwater" (the loan amount is higher than the car's value). Out of Summit's 5,000-car loan portfolio, there are just 20 eight-year loans on the books. "It's been a sleeper for us, but for some members, it's the right fit."

"The percentage increase of these loans surprised me," said Lou Jennings, executive VP of lending at Navy Federal. "We put a floor on these loans- $30,000 and up, so we tend to get the higher quality cars, and we look at the credit history of members, particularly with us." Making car loans against heavily advertised 0% financing can be tough, he allowed, but Navy's writing about the same as last year and that's going up against the Big Three.

In the first quarter of 2003, the 72-month term was 28.8% of the portfolio, based on the number of loans, and 30.5% of the total dollar percentage of the portfolio. The 84-month term was 14.4% in the number of loans and 21.1% of the dollar percentage of the portfolio. For comparison, in the 2Q of 2002, the 84- month term was 9% of the portfolio based on number of loans; in the 3Q of 2001; it was only 7%.

"The law of large numbers is on our side," Jennings said. "Historically, most of our members repay us, and we don't decline many loans, so we manage it well." So well, in fact, that Navy is considering an eight-year term.
 

KarenMarie

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negative equity type thing, you mean?

I buy cars that are approx. 5 yrs old. Buy them cash and never have to worry about payments. But I am not ... well, what I drive is not a big deal. As long as it is 5speed, reliable and has a good stereo I am happy.

:)
 

Jzero

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Over, by a good $3000 after 2 years. I put a big down payment and the Civic retains its value fairly well.
 

Crazymofo

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I owe almost 8g's, the car is worth about 5g's and the pay off is over 12g's.... I'll never lease another car ever again. When this car is gone I'll purchase a POS and enjoy having an extra $500 a month to blow on more important things...
 

iamwiz82

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Originally posted by: Crazymofo
I owe almost 8g's, the car is worth about 5g's and the pay off is over 12g's.... I'll never lease another car ever again. When this car is gone I'll purchase a POS and enjoy having an extra $500 a month to blow on more important things...

$500 a month? :Q
 

StageLeft

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Sep 29, 2000
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No, that's for dumb dumbs who are part of an ever-increasing group of avarice-enslaved sheep trying to keep up with the joneses.
 

Thegonagle

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No. I definitely wanted to avoid that. I bought a used car for $9500, put $2000 down, and make double the minimum payment. I'm currently in very reasonable position on my car loan.

(The Jonses can go fvck themselves, for all I care.)
 

Viper GTS

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Oct 13, 1999
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Car loan? What's that?

I've never made a car payment & don't intend to. Habit I picked up from my parents I guess, they've never had a car payment either.

Viper GTS
 

conjur

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Jun 7, 2001
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No, but my car is pretty much underwater. :( :(

The drain hole on the right-side of the car (my old one...Sebring convertible...not the new 6) was apparently clogged and a day-long steady rain the other day resulted in about 2 inches of water all across the floor of my car. I took it for a spin and rounded a curve and flung open the passenger door and most of it poured out. Still a bit on the back floorboards and the front is wet. Going to drive it most of this week (sunny and in the 80s) so maybe it'll dry out soon w/the top down and sitting in the sun.
 

Shockwave

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Sep 16, 2000
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I've got the titles to both my vehicles here on my desk.... Somewhere......

But to sum up, nope, both vehicles are paid off.
 

Vic

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Jun 12, 2001
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Nope. There's more to being upside down in a car than just longer term loans or not putting anything down. IMO, paying too much for the car in the first place is how most buyers become upside-down. Haggling the price down to invoice or below is the best down payment. :)
Still, taking out any term loan longer than 5 years is just foolish.
 

Red

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Slightly, since I purchased a 3-year warranty for $1000. My car is worth about $6500 private party. I paid $6700 at a dealer and the 3-year warranty was $900... so I'm about $1000-$1500 upside down. It'll take about a year to be in the green again.