Are you ready for a Google tablet?

[MJinZ]

YouTube, Netflix, and ABC are on the iPad now with H.264 progressive streaming. Hulu will probably never make it to the iPhone/iPad as Fox/NBC are looking for ways to kill Hulu, not expand it.

Point is, the days of Flash being the ubiquitous video format of the web are coming to an end and I commend Apple for accelerating Flash's death.

Only thing worth watching is Hulu. Netflix may eventually be worth subscribing to, only if Hulu dies.

ABC? Uh... yea...

 

[MJinZ]

I used it a lot more than 5 minutes, I was close to getting one in fact. I'm not trashing it, I just see it for what it is, an alternative to something I already have. I find it no better or no worse. I do love how a lot of Android owners act as if their device is 500 times more advanced than anything else out there. It's not inferior but for my needs it's not superior either. And I'm not the type to trade up to something newer simply because it's newer. If I hated change I'd still be using my Windows Mobile 6.1 phone. I like change when it actually does something useful for me, aside from that change is meaningless to me.

Yea, it's an alternative... a better alternative. Like a faster phone, more capable phone, on a better network.

I'm betting a bunch of Iphone users are going to be jumping ship when their contracts end when they can't tolerate AT&T any longer.

 

[dwell]

Android will continue growing just fine with iPhone 4.0. That restrictive SDK is a gift to Android. While Apple is waiting for developers to relearn and rewrite their Flash and other language apps in Objective-C, Android will be running that content natively and avoiding the whole Apple-Adobe drama.

With 180,000 apps on the App Store, I don't see it as a problem that Apple is restricting development to their tools and SDKs. Developers go where the money is, and it's been proven that iPhone owners are more willing to pay for apps than Android owners. A lot more willing.

http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/iphone_users_more_willing_to_pay_for_apps_-_but_do.php

Mplayit, a Facebook-based mobile app store, just released some interesting new data about people's willingness to pay for mobile apps. According to Mplayit's report, about one-third of users across all the major mobile platforms (iPhone, Android, BlackBerry) are interested in paid apps. iPhone users are the most willing to pay for some of their apps (57&#37, followed by BlackBerry users (33%). Android users are the least likely to be interested in paid apps (16%).

Plus no one forced Apple to limit themselves to AT&T, they chose to, just like they chose to limit themselves to not have Flash, they chose to not put a web camera on iPad. Apple resting on their laurels is another reason to have more confidence in Android gaining share.

And Apple have done incredibly well on one carrier, and if rumors are true, they are coming to Verizon this year.

If you are betting against Flash for CPU utilization or power reasons, you are also betting against phone processors becoming more capable and efficient. Basically betting against Moore's law. Good luck with that bet.

Fact is, on the 2.16Ghz Core2Duo processor notebook I am using here, Flash routinely spikes the CPU into the 90 - 100% range, kicks the fans off, and steals cycles from other tasks. Sure Moore's Law will catch up, but considering smart phones are powered by ~1Ghz, single core ARM processors today, it's a safe bet that Flash will be dead by time the platform benefits from Moore's Law.

 

[MJinZ]

With 180,000 apps on the App Store, I don't see it as a problem that Apple is restricting development to their tools and SDKs. Developers go where the money is, and it's been proven that iPhone owners are more willing to pay for apps than Android owners. A lot more willing.

http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/iphone_users_more_willing_to_pay_for_apps_-_but_do.php





And Apple have done incredibly well on one carrier, and if rumors are true, they are coming to Verizon this year.



Fact is, on the 2.16Ghz Core2Duo processor notebook I am using here, Flash routinely spikes the CPU into the 90 - 100% range, kicks the fans off, and steals cycles from other tasks. Sure Moore's Law will catch up, but considering smart phones are powered by ~1Ghz, single core processors today, it's a safe bet that Flash will be dead by time the platform benefits from Moore's Law.

Flash will not die within probably decades... for a lot of reasons.

 

[dwell]

Flash will not die within probably decades... for a lot of reasons.

That's true. But for it ever becoming a mobile powerhouse. Never going to happen.

 

[theeedude]

With 180,000 apps on the App Store, I don't see it as a problem that Apple is restricting development to their tools and SDKs. Developers go where the money is, and it's been proven that iPhone owners are more willing to pay for apps than Android owners. A lot more willing.

Name 1 iPhone App that is as popular as Farmville (100M users) and has no equivalent in Android? Farmville has no equivalent on Apple. Farmville on Flash is a huge money maker for Zynga. Apple can have 180 billion apps, if they lack support for a major web platform like Flash, they wouldn't make up for it by a long shot.

 

[QueBert]

Yea, it's an alternative... a better alternative. Like a faster phone, more capable phone, on a better network.

I'm betting a bunch of Iphone users are going to be jumping ship when their contracts end when they can't tolerate AT&T any longer.

Funny you mention that because boatloads of people who hate AT&T jumped ship to them so they could get an iPhone. Plus an Apple phone is coming to Verizon so if they jump AT&T's ship they can and will stay with Apple. No cell phone manufacture has the customer satisfaction level Apple does. But of course this is meaningless as Apple products all suck worse than anything else and the people who are happy are just brainwashed. It's a shame no other company besides Apple has figured out how to brain wash people into mass buying their products sight unseen. Basically on the worst network in America people are still overall very happy with their iPhones, that speaks volumes. I have an iPhone and get this... I'm not on AT&T!

Name 1 iPhone App that is as popular as Farmville (100M users) and has no equivalent in Android? Farmville has no equivalent on Apple. Farmville on Flash is a huge money maker for Zynga. Apple can have 180 billion apps, if they lack support for a major web platform like Flash, they wouldn't make up for it by a long shot.

Farmville is coming to the iPad/iPhone. I have a neighbor chick who told me the day Farmville is finally available for the iPad she'll buy one. As I'm sure many others will be too. She is al;most shitting her pants at the thought of Farmville on a 10" touch screen.

 

[theeedude]

That's true. But for it ever becoming a mobile powerhouse. Never going to happen.

Will happen by end of 2011. Hardware is progressing fast enough, and Flash is just what's needed to take advantage of that new hardware capability. HTML5 is simply not flexible enough, and Objective-C with Apple APIs not portable enough.

 

[dguy6789]

That's true. But for it ever becoming a mobile powerhouse. Never going to happen.

Why is that? Phones are becoming more and more like full fledged PCs. Why would anyone want to be restricted from using something as widely used as flash on such an advanced device?

 

[dwell]

Name 1 iPhone App that is as popular as Farmville (100M users) and has no equivalent in Android? Farmville has no equivalent on Apple. Farmville on Flash is a huge money maker for Zynga. Apple can have 180 billion apps, if they lack support for a major web platform like Flash, they wouldn't make up for it by a long shot.

Well, seeing how there's only 50M iPhones + 20M+ iPod Touches, I don't see the point of the comparison. And is Farmville on Android? No. Does Flash run on Android today? No. Do you think people will swarm to buy an Android tablet because it may run Farmville?

As a side note, Ngmoco's Farmville clone, "We Rule" has 30M downloads already. Plus seeing how games like Bejewled and Plants vs. Zombies were ported to the iPhone, I don't see why Farmville could not be ported. It's Zynga who's missing out on the Apple audience here. They stand to make a lot of money.

 

[dwell]

Will happen by end of 2011. Hardware is progressing fast enough, and Flash is just what's needed to take advantage of that new hardware capability. HTML5 is simply not flexible enough, and Objective-C with Apple APIs not portable enough.

No it won't. Abobe has had 10 years to get Flash working on desktop PCs with gigahertz plus, multicore processors and gigs of RAM and the platform still stinks in terms of performance, even on quad core PCs. There's no way the mobile processor space will ramp up fast enough to accommodate Flash, or Adobe will get their act together fast enough to run the old dog on a mobile chip with any acceptable level of performance. And that's not even considering battery life.

 

[MJinZ]

Funny you mention that because boatloads of people who hate AT&T jumped ship to them so they could get an iPhone. Plus an Apple phone is coming to Verizon so if they jump AT&T's ship they can and will stay with Apple. No cell phone manufacture has the customer satisfaction level Apple does. But of course this is meaningless as Apple products all suck worse than anything else and the people who are happy are just brainwashed. It's a shame no other company besides Apple has figured out how to brain wash people into mass buying their products sight unseen. Basically on the worst network in America people are still overall very happy with their iPhones, that speaks volumes. I have an iPhone and get this... I'm not on AT&T!





Farmville is coming to the iPad/iPhone. I have a neighbor chick who told me the day Farmville is finally available for the iPad she'll buy one. As I'm sure many others will be too. She is al;most shitting her pants at the thought of Farmville on a 10" touch screen.

T-Mobile is even worse than AT&T. But I suppose if you don't travel away from the City, you can do with any carrier.

 

[shortylickens]

I admit a tablet with Android would be cool, but I couldnt see myself using one on a regular basis. It has to be small enough to fit in my pocket, and my Droid already does that.
And if I'm going to carry it around in my backpack, it would be better if it were a proper laptop so I could type and use Office and other normal apps.

That said, I think this is a big step for Google in the direction of making a full desktop Operating System. If this mobile stuff is successful at all, they will start to take the matter seriously.

 

[Aikouka]

I still just want a tablet PC with an IR port and a wide variety of available bluetooth profiles.

I talked about this in another thread, but essentially I would just like two things and I think a tablet could perform this very well:

1) Capability to act as a remote for IR or Bluetooth capable devices. This includes my TV, my Stereo/receiver, my XBOX 360 and my PS3.

2) Capability to emulate a bluetooth keyboard and mouse. Reason being is that I have a computer hooked up to my TV and keeping a separate device for this is a bit of a pain. I currently use a Logitech diNovo Mini to accomplish this task.

It's really all about converging everything into one easy to use device. Heck, give me a capable piece of hardware and I'll write the software myself. Just don't make me have to buy an Apple PC like Apple does for writing iPod OS software .

 

[rudeguy]

I used it a lot more than 5 minutes, I was close to getting one in fact. I'm not trashing it, I just see it for what it is, an alternative to something I already have. I find it no better or no worse. I do love how a lot of Android owners act as if their device is 500 times more advanced than anything else out there. It's not inferior but for my needs it's not superior either. And I'm not the type to trade up to something newer simply because it's newer. If I hated change I'd still be using my Windows Mobile 6.1 phone. I like change when it actually does something useful for me, aside from that change is meaningless to me.

LOL Q..just admit that you hate change. I've seen you rant on how you prefer DOS over GUI and how you prefer CRT's over LCD's. Its not a bad thing man...no old people like change

 

[rudeguy]

I admit a tablet with Android would be cool, but I couldnt see myself using one on a regular basis. It has to be small enough to fit in my pocket, and my Droid already does that.
And if I'm going to carry it around in my backpack, it would be better if it were a proper laptop so I could type and use Office and other normal apps.

That said, I think this is a big step for Google in the direction of making a full desktop Operating System. If this mobile stuff is successful at all, they will start to take the matter seriously.

I want an Android based in-dash unit for my car. I would like a universal remote sized tablet for couch surfing and to use as a universal remote.

 

[QueBert]

LOL Q..just admit that you hate change. I've seen you rant on how you prefer DOS over GUI and how you prefer CRT's over LCD's. Its not a bad thing man...no old people like change

Again, I don't like change that doesn't do something better, DOS never crashed on me once and with Deskview X I could Multitask. I don't like GUI's, I use terminal (OSX) as often as I can. And my 10 year old CRT has a picture better than any LCD, why exactly would I change to an LCD? Because it's smaller? Change isn't always good, and a lot of people adapt to change because they're sheeple.

 

[MJinZ]

Again, I don't like change that doesn't do something better, DOS never crashed on me once and with Deskview X I could Multitask. I don't like GUI's, I use terminal (OSX) as often as I can. And my 10 year old CRT has a picture better than any LCD, why exactly would I change to an LCD? Because it's smaller? Change isn't always good, and a lot of people adapt to change because they're sheeple.

You don't like GUIs, so how can you possibly like anything made by Apple? The entire philosophy of apple is interacting with the simplest way possible through visuals. Which is also what tends to make them "dumb" devices as they are made with simplicity for the masses in mind.

 

[Pliablemoose]

I want to thank everyone for keeping the thread civil

There's some good points being made

I think for me, a SD card and USB support if implemented on an android tablet will be the deciding factor.

I do think the android marketplace is a mess, particularly when you consider Google isknow n for it's search tech

 

[dwell]

You don't like GUIs, so how can you possibly like anything made by Apple? The entire philosophy of apple is interacting with the simplest way possible through visuals. Which is also what tends to make them "dumb" devices as they are made with simplicity for the masses in mind.

Seriously?!? OS X has one of the best command line interfaces out there. Way better than that crappy DOS legacy command line in Windows 7. Combined with MacPorts it's like having Linux with an awesome GUI on top of it.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Again, I don't like change that doesn't do something better, DOS never crashed on me once and with Deskview X I could Multitask. I don't like GUI's, I use terminal (OSX) as often as I can. And my 10 year old CRT has a picture better than any LCD, why exactly would I change to an LCD? Because it's smaller? Change isn't always good, and a lot of people adapt to change because they're sheeple.

You don't like GUIs but you use a Mac? You think that using Terminal makes you a CLI h4x0r or something?

And you use the word sheeple?

LOL

 

[rudeguy]

I want to thank everyone for keeping the thread civil

There's some good points being made

I think for me, a SD card and USB support if implemented on an android tablet will be the deciding factor.

I do think the android marketplace is a mess, particularly when you consider Google isknow n for it's search tech

it was civil til I started picking on Q again...

I want to make sure everyone knows that Q and I go way back and I give him shit for being an old fogey that's stuck in his ways. If anything..he is overly thorough in his research. He's from the old school and I am from the new. I really do respect his opinion on this kind of thing even if I don't agree with him.


I just want a web surfing remote control damn it!!

 

[QueBert]

You don't like GUIs, so how can you possibly like anything made by Apple? The entire philosophy of apple is interacting with the simplest way possible through visuals. Which is also what tends to make them "dumb" devices as they are made with simplicity for the masses in mind.

No portable device has a CLI, I like GUI's for my cell phone and PMP because it's the best way to listen to music & make phone calls. I like Terminal in OSX because it's a *nix terminal and that's where I feel at home. Since I do as much of my shit as possible in terminal I'd have to say the way I use OSX it's definitely not about simplicity but power. When I'm on my Win 7 box I try to do a lot of shit in CMD but there's just not much power there IMHO. From a GUI standpoint both MS & Apple make OS's for the lowest common denominator.