Are You Raising Another Man's Child?

[paulxcook]

Originally posted by: Mojoed

According to a 1992 study in the Journal of Genetic Counseling, nearly 100 percent of 199 counselors felt that the confidentiality of the mother outweighed the presumed father's right to know.

Wtf. I mean REALLY, wtf. :disgust:

Womens' rights are more important. Didn't you get the memo?

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: paulxcook

Originally posted by: Mojoed

According to a 1992 study in the Journal of Genetic Counseling, nearly 100 percent of 199 counselors felt that the confidentiality of the mother outweighed the presumed father's right to know.

Wtf. I mean REALLY, wtf. :disgust:

Womens' rights are more important. Didn't you get the memo?

No, every patient's rights are important. Doctors can't just decide when it is appropriate to violate a patient's confidentiality, they are bound by ethical guidelines - which is why 100% of the doctors shared the same viewpoint.

 

[Ricochet]

Pretty good read. Except this part:

Compared with this, infidelity by itself is a mere white lie, a misdemeanor, maybe even forgivable.

Infidelity is definitely NOT a white lie. Telling your g/f she's not fat is a white lie. Telling your aunt that you like the butterfly-collared, tie-dyed shirt she got for your birthday is a white lie. Infidelity and the lies that conceal it are elements of moral and character failure. People need to own up to the consequences. The medical community needs to have the balls to disclose that information to the father.

 

[funboy6942]

I am raising another mans child and happy to do so because his father is a low down, pos, no good for nothing dirt bag fvck tard. Has never had anything to do with his son since he was born and since I was in the picture came and saw his son one time is 5 years before we moved to TN. He never called the house, never sent him a card, never did a damn thing, we been here almost 2 years and still has not called, a card, or come to see him. We are not unlisted, but he is, and has never tried to contact us to give us any information as to his whereabouts as well. I have explained to my son that I know the feeling for I been there, do it, got the tee shirt, because I too have a father when growing up wanted nothing to do with me. Forgot my birthday but never my older brothers, would pick my older brother up but leave me with my mother, then we didn't see him for over 15 years.

I told him I am happy to be his father, I will always be his father, and will treat him with the same respect as I treat his younger brother, my biological son. In my eyes you are as equal to me as he is, and for him never to forget that. I will continue to cloth him, feed him, make sure he has a roof over his head, and point him in the right direction so he makes something of his life, and again very happy to do this, he is a wonderful son, and deserves better then what he could have had, I only wish I could do more for them all.

 

[Captante]

Originally posted by: sixone
From the article:

To this day he remembers that game with a kind of nightmarish clarity. Matthew struck out. Connaro had planned on going over and giving him a hug, along with a few words of fatherly consolation, but when he heard the other guy yelling, he just stood up and walked away.

What a selfish bastard. Maybe the kid would be better off with another father.

:thumbsup:

 

[imported_Shivetya]

disgusting that people think that this can be ok. As if the guy just has to put up with it. They call themselves medical professionals?

worse, the courts would probably side against the guy anyway

 

[George P Burdell]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: paulxcook

Originally posted by: Mojoed

According to a 1992 study in the Journal of Genetic Counseling, nearly 100 percent of 199 counselors felt that the confidentiality of the mother outweighed the presumed father's right to know.

Wtf. I mean REALLY, wtf. :disgust:

Womens' rights are more important. Didn't you get the memo?

No, every patient's rights are important. Doctors can't just decide when it is appropriate to violate a patient's confidentiality, they are bound by ethical guidelines - which is why 100% of the doctors shared the same viewpoint.

Agreed

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: paulxcook

Originally posted by: Mojoed

According to a 1992 study in the Journal of Genetic Counseling, nearly 100 percent of 199 counselors felt that the confidentiality of the mother outweighed the presumed father's right to know.

Wtf. I mean REALLY, wtf. :disgust:

Womens' rights are more important. Didn't you get the memo?

No, every patient's rights are important. Doctors can't just decide when it is appropriate to violate a patient's confidentiality, they are bound by ethical guidelines - which is why 100% of the doctors shared the same viewpoint.

No, women's rights really are more important. A woman can get an abortion without the husband's consent, but most doctors will refuse to give a married man a vasectomy without the wife's consent. It's a truly twisted reproductive legal system we have.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: sixone
From the article:

To this day he remembers that game with a kind of nightmarish clarity. Matthew struck out. Connaro had planned on going over and giving him a hug, along with a few words of fatherly consolation, but when he heard the other guy yelling, he just stood up and walked away.

What a selfish bastard. Maybe the kid would be better off with another father.

It's not like he left for good. Besides, how the hell do you expect someone to act when that sort of realization hits? Are you suggesting that it's better to go up to the child while he was still agitated over the revalation and subject the child to the reaction as well? There's such a thing as walking away for a few moments to collect yourself rather than just walking up while still emotionally unstable. Sheesh.

ZV

Sorry, I expect him to act like a DAD. I realize that's a lot to ask, but who else is supposed to be the adult here?

I don't think you can make that judgement unless you know exactly what the guy was going through. I wouldn't at all blame that guy for being so upset.

ya, but frankly, this is a typical sixone response.

Not much you can say to a woman without getting banned at these forums

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Bateluer
How can his wife deny it with DNA test results of 99.9% accuracy? Time to come clean and spill the beans.

Some other guy already did spill his beans. Figuratively of course.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: bignateyk
That sucks.

I'd like to think that after having raised a child from birth, it wouldnt matter to me if I found out it wasnt mine (from a standpoint of loving the child), but until you are in the situation, its hard to say.

I think what would bother me is the fact that my wife lied about something like that. I think I could keep raising the child the same way as my own, but the wife would probably have to go.

Wouldn't it be messed up if you tried to kick the wife out and she got the kid because you're not his genetic father?

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: Bateluer
How can his wife deny it with DNA test results of 99.9% accuracy? Time to come clean and spill the beans.

maybe she doesn't know? i can see it happening. although, in this situation, if the other guy yelling for the kid really is the father and knows, then yeah, the wife is obviously lying.

Err...because of the sex act?

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: sixone
From the article:

To this day he remembers that game with a kind of nightmarish clarity. Matthew struck out. Connaro had planned on going over and giving him a hug, along with a few words of fatherly consolation, but when he heard the other guy yelling, he just stood up and walked away.

What a selfish bastard. Maybe the kid would be better off with another father.

It's not like he left for good. Besides, how the hell do you expect someone to act when that sort of realization hits? Are you suggesting that it's better to go up to the child while he was still agitated over the revalation and subject the child to the reaction as well? There's such a thing as walking away for a few moments to collect yourself rather than just walking up while still emotionally unstable. Sheesh.

ZV

Sorry, I expect him to act like a DAD. I realize that's a lot to ask, but who else is supposed to be the adult here?

I don't think you can make that judgement unless you know exactly what the guy was going through. I wouldn't at all blame that guy for being so upset.

ya, but frankly, this is a typical sixone response.

Not much you can say to a woman without getting banned at these forums

Given sixone's recent confrontation with the mods who patrol OT, I'd guess there's not much you could say to her that WOULD get you banned. Except the dreaded c-word.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: sixone
From the article:

To this day he remembers that game with a kind of nightmarish clarity. Matthew struck out. Connaro had planned on going over and giving him a hug, along with a few words of fatherly consolation, but when he heard the other guy yelling, he just stood up and walked away.

What a selfish bastard. Maybe the kid would be better off with another father.

You're right. The wife was a selfish bastard.

Of course she was.

And given the scale of what she did vs what the child-supporter did, it strikes me as a bit biased that you would focus on what he did. So he didn't give the kid a hug after he struck out. It's not a life-altering event.

I'm dying to know the story on the sperm donor, and what the hell he was doing at a ball game being obvious about it. He certainly knew the truth when he showed up there.

Sperm donor is a derogatory term that single mothers use for absentee fathers. I don't think the father of the child deserves to be called that, because it's likely that his absence was at the request of the mother - and it's possible that he never even knew he had a child. The man is not always the bad guy, you know.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: paulxcook

Originally posted by: Mojoed

According to a 1992 study in the Journal of Genetic Counseling, nearly 100 percent of 199 counselors felt that the confidentiality of the mother outweighed the presumed father's right to know.

Wtf. I mean REALLY, wtf. :disgust:

Womens' rights are more important. Didn't you get the memo?

No, every patient's rights are important. Doctors can't just decide when it is appropriate to violate a patient's confidentiality, they are bound by ethical guidelines - which is why 100% of the doctors shared the same viewpoint.

oh right, pregnancy is a disease. it's only a fetus.

 

[Xylitol]

Some women do this to trap their boyfriends into a relationship
And in California, even if you find out that you're not the father, you aren't allowed to get away from paying for the kid <-Retarded IMO

 

[sandmanwake]

Mandatory DNA test at birth or as soon as reasonably safe for the kid.

 

[Theb]

There's a fine ethical line between a sin of omission and a sin of commission. Another genetic counselor, Elsa Reich, M.S., related one case in which a physician explained away a genetic inconsistency by lying to a man, saying that it "was probably a new mutation." When I asked Reich if she would ever resort to this sort of subterfuge herself, she replied, "I've never done that. But might I? I might, I might."

ugh, scum.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: Theb

There's a fine ethical line between a sin of omission and a sin of commission. Another genetic counselor, Elsa Reich, M.S., related one case in which a physician explained away a genetic inconsistency by lying to a man, saying that it "was probably a new mutation." When I asked Reich if she would ever resort to this sort of subterfuge herself, she replied, "I've never done that. But might I? I might, I might."

ugh, scum.

If it were possible, I'd hate women even more after reading that.

 

[AreaCode707]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: sixone
From the article:

To this day he remembers that game with a kind of nightmarish clarity. Matthew struck out. Connaro had planned on going over and giving him a hug, along with a few words of fatherly consolation, but when he heard the other guy yelling, he just stood up and walked away.

What a selfish bastard. Maybe the kid would be better off with another father.

It's not like he left for good. Besides, how the hell do you expect someone to act when that sort of realization hits? Are you suggesting that it's better to go up to the child while he was still agitated over the revalation and subject the child to the reaction as well? There's such a thing as walking away for a few moments to collect yourself rather than just walking up while still emotionally unstable. Sheesh.

ZV

He had no proof at all at the game that the kid wasn't his. "Sorry son, I couldn't console you because the other guy cheered louder than me," is kinda pathetic. I could see giving him some concessions for the emotional recovery after the paternity test, but at the game when all he has is a suspicion? Come on.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: bignateyk
That sucks.

I'd like to think that after having raised a child from birth, it wouldnt matter to me if I found out it wasnt mine (from a standpoint of loving the child), but until you are in the situation, its hard to say.

I think what would bother me is the fact that my wife lied about something like that. I think I could keep raising the child the same way as my own, but the wife would probably have to go.

Wouldn't it be messed up if you tried to kick the wife out and she got the kid because you're not his genetic father?

yes, but at the same time, I don't think the father should have any legal obligation anyways, and it shoudl be the biological father who should have to pay child support

 

[Compton]

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: Theb

There's a fine ethical line between a sin of omission and a sin of commission. Another genetic counselor, Elsa Reich, M.S., related one case in which a physician explained away a genetic inconsistency by lying to a man, saying that it "was probably a new mutation." When I asked Reich if she would ever resort to this sort of subterfuge herself, she replied, "I've never done that. But might I? I might, I might."

ugh, scum.

If it were possible, I'd hate women even more after reading that.

Reading this article is making me feel the same way. I'll be sure to have a paternity test if I ever have a kid.

 

[SlitheryDee]

Originally posted by: HotChic

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: sixone
From the article:

To this day he remembers that game with a kind of nightmarish clarity. Matthew struck out. Connaro had planned on going over and giving him a hug, along with a few words of fatherly consolation, but when he heard the other guy yelling, he just stood up and walked away.

What a selfish bastard. Maybe the kid would be better off with another father.

It's not like he left for good. Besides, how the hell do you expect someone to act when that sort of realization hits? Are you suggesting that it's better to go up to the child while he was still agitated over the revalation and subject the child to the reaction as well? There's such a thing as walking away for a few moments to collect yourself rather than just walking up while still emotionally unstable. Sheesh.

ZV

He had no proof at all at the game that the kid wasn't his. "Sorry son, I couldn't console you because the other guy cheered louder than me," is kinda pathetic. I could see giving him some concessions for the emotional recovery after the paternity test, but at the game when all he has is a suspicion? Come on.

That's a strawman argument. He didn't walk away because someone else cheered louder than him.

And you can't say that if something you had feared, but still suspected suddenly gained a lot of credibility, you wouldn't be in a world of emotional turmoil.

Even if he'd been wrong about the entire situation I'd understand his need to take a few moments to collect himself.

 

[Vonkhan]

Originally posted by: Xylitol
Some women do this to trap their boyfriends into a relationship
And in California, even if you find out that you're not the father, you aren't allowed to get away from paying for the kid <-Retarded IMO

YIKES !!! :shocked:

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: sixone
From the article:

To this day he remembers that game with a kind of nightmarish clarity. Matthew struck out. Connaro had planned on going over and giving him a hug, along with a few words of fatherly consolation, but when he heard the other guy yelling, he just stood up and walked away.

What a selfish bastard. Maybe the kid would be better off with another father.

It's not like he left for good. Besides, how the hell do you expect someone to act when that sort of realization hits? Are you suggesting that it's better to go up to the child while he was still agitated over the revalation and subject the child to the reaction as well? There's such a thing as walking away for a few moments to collect yourself rather than just walking up while still emotionally unstable. Sheesh.

ZV

Sorry, I expect him to act like a DAD. I realize that's a lot to ask, but who else is supposed to be the adult here?

You might try reading the article. The guy still is raising the child and loves him.