Mavrick "Kami's right Girls don't go for the nicest looking man, they go for a man that can impress them and secure them (they want a man that is often a little better than them at what they like). Girls tend to be charmed by a confident man... just remember that!! Don't think you're a loser when talking to a girl, but don't seem too uninterested too! You just have to be naturally confident... act just like if it is casual for you to have a conversation with a girl. Listen to her, make some jokes and just stay cool. Also, it is always better to end a conversation with a cool:"Oh, look at the time, I have to go, talk to you later!" than be in front of her, saying stupid things just to say something."
I disagree. Well, not entirely, but I think that ending a conversation that way is lame and abrupt. There are better ways.
hotchic - You asked where to find geeks (I have no idea why you would ask such a question

). Well, they're everywhere. They don't usually look like geeks, either. If you are seriously interested, find someone with a really eccentric habit or who walks to/from class alone (not sure if you're in university), gets top grades or some other such thing. If they are completely flustered when you talk to them and start dropping things or can't tie their shoes, you've probably hit right on the mark. You will have to make all of the moves. The first thought on their mind will be that this is a big joke and that someone has dared you to do this. You'll need to make it seem otherwise.
You could also try things like Dungeons & Dragons and lan parties. You will be a novelty and you could potentially meet a lot of scum (I know I sure have playing D&D lol), but there are also lots of nice-guy-geeks that hang around those places too. They go because they like the games, but they probably don't like most of the other people very much either.
I can't believe I just gave that advice...
Descartes "...you're probably not going to elicit interesting conversation from a woman whilst grinding in a club. You would have more luck in a bookstore's coffee bar, or something related. Finding an intelligent woman with a quirky personality might be harder to find than the proverbial ditzy (sp?) blonde, but the resultant relationship will elicit moments of greater profundity. "
My prerequisite for having any interest in a girl is that I need to feel comfortable saying anything that I would normally say around my close friends. (Aside from, perhaps, some really crude "guy-talk" comments.) There's a girl that I've been getting to know better lately who is the quirkiest person I've ever met. (i.e. a lot like me) While at the movies a few days ago she asked if I like to trip people. I said sure, I do it all the time. Turns out she was serious, and she has various non-lethal ways of tripping people that she was happy to demonstrate. Lol. She also listened to the same Monty Python wave file with me four times last night -- the long one I posted earlier. She's the one who wanted to play it four times.
She loves music and excels at playing clarinet yet scores higher than me on math contests and will randomly break out into discussion about any sort of obscure mathematical theory that I can think of. At the same time she has my sarcastic sense of humor that other people find offensive. When her sister asked "What's an orchestra?" (she was looking for a better explanation as 'orchestra' seemed general) she said 'You know, it's a bunch of people who have violins and things.' Being a musician she could've easily given a long explanation, but she's not so dug into her passion that she couldn't take that question lightheartedly.
We were playing soccer and I had been running so much that I just decided to collapse and gasp for air. She came to lay in the grass next to me, also gasping and laughing, and of all things decides to compare the skin tone of my face to my leg because my face had turned so red. And one the way home she was sitting behind the driver's seat (I was driving) and she decides to start massaging my shoulders because she wants to investiage my bone structure. Not only do I get a massage, but the best part is that she really did want to investigate my bone structure because for whatever reason it fascinates her. She does this to other people as well.
I've gotten this far and I have yet to mention her looks. And even then, looks don't matter that much to me. It's the fact that we like and share each other's quirks that is so neat. She does happen to be gorgeous, though. Not a maxim model, but someone who is truly beautiful without any makeup and expensive clothes.
A bookstore? I could spend all day with her at a bookstore.
Chaotic42 "No, no, you get me wrong. I have no problem talking to people. That's not the problem at all. I just can't ask girls out. All 3 dates I've been on, I've been asked out by the girl."
Welcome to my world. I only have the guts to do it on ICQ or some other written form. Otherwise the girl has to ask me. Just a note -- I wrote a 1300 word letter to another girl last night that expressed some of my thoughts and feelings and guess what? The world didn't end. I was nervous about what she thought and she didn't even entirely agree with me ... but the world didn't end. My advice: go for it, but be subtle and honest and don't overdo it. (Basically if 0 is I'm your friend and 10 is I'm your lover we never strayed anywhere past middle ground at 5... my letter said that maybe we were closer to 10, but it turns out that we thought differently.)
clicknext "Just don't scare her away with your talk about how many times you reformat your computer every day. "
Whenever I'm first meeting someone, I avoid acting as geeky as I really am. But after the first time, if I just reformatted my computer and we're anywhere remotely on that topic, I'd probably mention it. Really, it doesn't hurt to flaunt your geekiness. Reactions can range from "he's a nerd" to "he's weird" and I consider either of those to be a compliment.
"think that the biggest problem most geeks here are having is that they go immediately for the hot girl, not the girl that they would actually get along with well. Its funny how in the end, they could be standing next to their perfect girl but they dont give them a second look because theyre not a maxim model. "
I know I babbled on about how you should love someone for who they are and how they think, but if you really do like talking to hot girls, get to know some. This morning I walked into the home of two teenage girls in their pajamas at 9am because I was picking them up and I was early. This didn't bother me at all. Why? Because they're my friends and I talk to them every day. A conversation with a girl isn't some novelty, it's something that should happen on a day to day basis.
Once you're there, talking to any girl is easy. Even ones that are stunning, you can treat them like anyone else. Eventually, though, you'll find that there's not much to (many of) them and you might go back to avoiding talking to them. But for different reasons altogether.
Gr1mL0cK "I'd rather not plan events because people are unreliable and never seem to give a yes or no answer and I'm not going to waste my time w/ that."
Nice excuse. You don't give them a choice, you say "we're going clubbing at 11, hope to see you there" and then they will feel left out and the cards are in your hands. THEY will ask YOU for more information.
(Geeks do go clubbing. Okay well, my less geeky friends got me to like it. They turned me into an Eminem-memorizing, grinding, drinking fool who happens to be a huge nerd. I have yet to convince many of my geekier friends to come with me.

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