Are we there yet signs, perhaps?

[Moonbeam]

I've been wondering about this interesting story by a conservative:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...0e4656c22aa_story.html?utm_term=.a27b8fd37794

and it got me to thinking. Trump is terrifying and what does that mean for the CBD. What if these kind of butterfly flapping of reason like in the link starts a hurricane of panic and people start to fear that it's Trump who is a real danger. Irrationality in the face of fear is where conservatives are specialists. What is a wave is building and it will be conservatives who institutionalize Trump.

 

[woolfe9998]

It's hardly an example of CBD to be afraid of Trump's presidency. It's an entirely rational fear. George Will finds it scary because he's brighter than most conservatives. Do not expect the bulk of them to follow suit.

What is most alarming (and mortifying to the University of Pennsylvania, from which he graduated) is not that Trump has entered his eighth decade unscathed by even elementary knowledge about the nation’s history. As this column has said before, the problem isn’t that he does not know this or that, or that he does not know that he does not know this or that. Rather, the dangerous thing is that he does not know what it is to know something.

Will understands that Trump is a walking poster child for the Dunning Kruger effect.

 

[Moonbeam]

It's hardly an example of CBD to be afraid of Trump's presidency. It's an entirely rational fear. George Will finds it scary because he's brighter than most conservatives. Do not expect the bulk of them to follow suit.



Will understands that Trump is a walking poster child for the Dunning Kruger effect.

Will understands that Trump is a walking poster child for the Dunning Kruger effect.[/QUOTE]
I think Will thinks it goes deeper than that. I think it's one thing not to know how little you know but there the additional matter that Trump's faith in his altered reality is, well, huge. He isn't just ignorant, he's delusional and, as a result, dangerous.

There are rational and irrational fears and both will be magnified by the CBD.

 

[Moonbeam]

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[Hayabusa Rider]

George Will, love him or hate him is no idiot and he can certainly write, a quality much diminished in news and opinion pieces. As far as the piece goes it's spot on.

 

[Jaskalas]

An article effectively declaring that Trump is mentally ill could also be tagged Pence 2018.
I'm sure the GOP wouldn't mind Pence... but how do they live with the wrath of Trump's "base"?
The only issue in impeaching Trump on insanity is that the GOP may be too fractured to survive any changes... and they know it.

At this point I'm picturing them as a deer in headlights.

 

[theeedude]

Conservative rats fleeing a sinking ship. Don't let them, make the conservative movement go down with USS Trump.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Conservative rats fleeing a sinking ship. Don't let them, make the conservative movement go down with USS Trump.

I'm not interested in conservatives, liberals, Republicans, Democrats or any canned ideologies except for their influences. That Will is a Conservative does not make him a Trump any more that Bernie is Antifa. I often disagree with him but there are times that he makes good observations and this is one of those moments. Want a personal ideology? Truth tops deception. Perception tops the fatuous and no party, class or "ism" should take precidence over those virtues.

 

[dank69]

Haven't had a chance to read it yet but from the descriptions here he sounds like a RINO

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Haven't had a chance to read it yet but from the descriptions here he sounds like a RINO

Will is one of the few intellectuals on the Right. He's been consistent for decades. He didn't move away from Republicans but most of them moved away from him and have lost the ability to question their own. Today that makes him a RINO and good for him.

 

[Moonbeam]

My interest is in whether there are legs that go with growing conservative fear that Trump is dangerous. They are wont to think like others of their group and if their trust starts to sound misplaced among their own, will that trigger panic. America witnessed the sudden collapse of McCarthyism when their shamelessness because obvious even to them. An altered reality is a reality that can collapse, unlike actual reality.

And then there's the fact that if conservatives reject Trump, those that do will become heroes.

 

[Commodus]

I don't want conservatism to go away, as we need a healthy political discourse with a variety of views. I just want it to return to a more moderate, halfway intelligent form.

Right now, American conservatism is dictated by two main things: fear (mainly of everyone who isn't a white, straight Christian male) and knee-jerk "business good, government bad" policy. And that leads them to make very stupid decisions that hurt the country or even the entire planet, like taking bribes from the fossil fuel industry in the name of suppressing climate science. After all, that helps business, right?

I know there are some people here who'd genuinely like to silence any right-wing thought, but I'd like to see it reach a more nuanced point of view. For example, acknowledging that you sometimes need regulation to preserve the free market, or that you shouldn't be propping up the dying coal industry when the renewable energy market is exploding.