Are we talking about BattleBots 2015?

[Krazy4Real]

I'm kind of bummed that they only seem to do the super heavyweight division now. The lightweight division bots in the old show were really destructive and fun to watch

This. Ziggo was fun to watch.

 

[Blanky]

There have been "no entanglement" rules in this game since the first series. They shoulda known that wasn't going to fly.

They read the rules and the rules didn't say not allowed. Grandfathering in rules that were not written was, IMO, bullshit. I thought that the present with the net was shocking and amazing and I actually cheered when I saw it. The oversight of the rules team by failing to mention entanglement shouldn't punish somebody because of a rule that hasn't been applied in over a decade.

Someone just needs to get behind it and flip it. Game over.

Yes, but how? Unless somebody has a flipper with a very low paddle and times it right their bot is destroyed. It's basically the perfect robot. It didn't even waste time on armor like icewave. Just one huge bad ass ridiculous blade.

Also the guy he was up against was jut an outright dick! "My robot is going to be the best designed one" His blade broke with the first hit. I wanted to see the arrogant prick lose.

Tombstone would F his sh*t up instantly. His angled blade is clever though because it serves the effect of not being able to get below or over the blade.

I'd like to see an ultra low bot just an inch high with some mechanism with which to flip, it would get under the lawn mower blade bots. Actually if a bot just had a few really low arms extending out it would help keep the lawn mower blades out of reach. I assume it's illegal to have really long rods sticking out from the bottom to defy somebody's reach?

Have multibots ever not sucked? Everybody who has them seems to do really badly.

 

[Ns1]

The oversight of the rules team by failing to mention entanglement shouldn't punish somebody because of a rule that hasn't been applied in over a decade.

They didn't technically get punished, they were just told to fight again.

 

[Blanky]

They didn't technically get punished, they were just told to fight again.

They got massively punished because their strictly legal defense was taken out. They would have almost certainly won the first match, using rules according to the rule book.

 

[Ns1]

They got massively punished because their strictly legal defense was taken out. They would have almost certainly won the first match, using rules according to the rule book.

Guys who made the rulebooks fucked up, they were both given a rematch, time to move past the subject.

 

[BUTCH1]

Tombstone is a fucking beast.

While I agree, it can be defeated by this style of round spinner-bot, Tombstone gets in it's whacks but they are not effective against Super Megabyte..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BymOPWL7FS4

 

[Ns1]

While I agree, it can be defeated by this style of round spinner-bot, Tombstone gets in it's whacks but they are not effective against Super Megabyte..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BymOPWL7FS4

oh damn, I wonder WTF super megabyte is made out of. Tombstone was just ripping the other bot to shreds the other night.

 

[BUTCH1]

oh damn, I wonder WTF super megabyte is made out of. Tombstone was just ripping the other bot to shreds the other night.

IDK, but it must be VERY thick to withstand the punishment Tombstone's blade can deliver.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

While I agree, it can be defeated by this style of round spinner-bot, Tombstone gets in it's whacks but they are not effective against Super Megabyte..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BymOPWL7FS4

Wow, that thing owned, I think the field is set though without anything like Super Megabyte. It seems like its Tombstones tourny to lose.

 

[NoTine42]

Doesn't look like it.

I am surprised everything seems manual. None of the bots are using apparently any intelligence to them. An effective defense against the spinning blade bots would be a fast and long wedge that moves out automatically once it determines the other bot is within range. Also the flame throwers all suck. Put one on a turret and have it track the other bot so that you don't even have to aim anymore, although flame seems just a gimmick.

With manual control these are just heavy R/C vehicles, lots of fun to watch but not real robots.
In today's world, Jr High kids are programming actual robots in Dean Kamen's First Lego League.

Hopefully BattleBots continues and we start seeing bots with AI and reflexes to overtake human reaction times in future seasons.

 

[Blanky]

Guys who made the rulebooks fucked up, they were both given a rematch, time to move past the subject.

lol are you really trying to exert dominance over such a trivial matter?

 

[Blanky]

With manual control these are just heavy R/C vehicles, lots of fun to watch but not real robots.
In today's world, Jr High kids are programming actual robots in Dean Kamen's First Lego League.

Hopefully BattleBots continues and we start seeing bots with AI and reflexes to overtake human reaction times in future seasons.

It's getting pretty good viewership by the look of it, so I hope it does well.

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OKay that video with tombstone vs super megabyte. Fantastic. Megabyte schooled him. Megabyte looks easy to flip, though.

 

[MongGrel]

Don't know that know that one I guess.

 

[ultimatebob]

I'd like to see an ultra low bot just an inch high with some mechanism with which to flip, it would get under the lawn mower blade bots. Actually if a bot just had a few really low arms extending out it would help keep the lawn mower blades out of reach. I assume it's illegal to have really long rods sticking out from the bottom to defy somebody's reach?

Look up Biohazard. That bot friggin dominated in the old series.

 

[Blanky]

biohazard looked good.

Here is last episode in HD. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm7NTtzRdW0

Go to 20:40 for domination.

 

[ultimatebob]

If they really wanted to do something cool, they should add a "self controlled" division where the bots had to fight on their own. With the recent advances in small computers, sensors, and AI I think that we now have the technology to pull off self driving battlebots.

 

[Blanky]

If they really wanted to do something cool, they should add a "self controlled" division where the bots had to fight on their own. With the recent advances in small computers, sensors, and AI I think that we now have the technology to pull off self driving battlebots.

I absolutely agree, but I think they won't have to voluntarily have such a division. Somebody will start implementing this and then their competitors will realize that piloting with human reflexes against an automated bot is impossible and stupid and they'll all end up effectively forced to use computing to control the bots as well.

 

[Phokus]

I'm sad that the robots who use flamethrowers don't do well. That shit is cool as hell.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

I absolutely agree, but I think they won't have to voluntarily have such a division. Somebody will start implementing this and then their competitors will realize that piloting with human reflexes against an automated bot is impossible and stupid and they'll all end up effectively forced to use computing to control the bots as well.

Ignoring the fact that what you're talking about still doesn't actually exist in the form you think it does, I guess the same robot is going to somehow sense the outside world through magic and not an easily destroy able array of sensors.

 

[Blanky]

Ignoring the fact that what you're talking about still doesn't actually exist in the form you think it does, I guess the same robot is going to somehow sense the outside world through magic and not an easily destroy able array of sensors.

Excluding the fact that this bot already has a sensor and intelligence, yeah, you're right, that's just not possible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm7NTtzRdW0 24:35 mark

Here's another robot that was built to be autonomous: http://www.instructables.com/id/Autonomous-Sumo-Battle-Bot-with-Pneumatic-Flipper-/

But like you said, it's not possible.

More autonomous battlebots, that exist using magical sensors:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcBrbYG8wcw
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Just for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Excluding the fact that this bot already has a sensor and intelligence, yeah, you're right, that's just not possible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm7NTtzRdW0 24:35 mark

Here's another robot that was built to be autonomous: http://www.instructables.com/id/Autonomous-Sumo-Battle-Bot-with-Pneumatic-Flipper-/

But like you said, it's not possible.

More autonomous battlebots, that exist using magical sensors:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcBrbYG8wcw
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Just for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

Wow. Pot calling kettle black.
You might want to actually review what these robots actually do versus what you think they do.

 

[NoTine42]

We are not talking about a near-impossible DARPA-level fighting machine that is real-time mapping its environment and determine what, if any threats exist, then acting on that threat.

1) we know the Bot is in BattleBots arena, so make a map of it in advance.
2) anything not in that map, is the opponent.

Conceptually, this is close to building a xBOX Kinect system that happens to be physically driving a bot instead of driving pixels on a TV

 

[Blanky]

We are not talking about a near-impossible DARPA-level fighting machine that is real-time mapping its environment and determine what, if any threats exist, then acting on that threat.

1) we know the Bot is in BattleBots arena, so make a map of it in advance.
2) anything not in that map, is the opponent.

Conceptually, this is close to building a xBOX Kinect system that happens to be physically driving a bot instead of driving pixels on a TV

Yes. He is just arguing for argument's sake now. At first it was "budget" and "weight" because he does nt realize you can already buy sonar and other sensors for a few bucks that weigh nothing in a 250 lb machine. Then it was mystical array of sensors that he envisions hanging on top of a robot like a bunch of fragile satellite dishes instead of small sensors recessed and untouchable.

The fact that it has already been done invites comedy to the claim that it can't be done.

Naturally we will see automation supplementing the pilot, as we see with autonomous vehicles today. No need to relinquish all control at first.

 

[ultimatebob]

Yes. He is just arguing for argument's sake now. At first it was "budget" and "weight" because he does nt realize you can already buy sonar and other sensors for a few bucks that weigh nothing in a 250 lb machine. Then it was mystical array of sensors that he envisions hanging on top of a robot like a bunch of fragile satellite dishes instead of small sensors recessed and untouchable.

The fact that it has already been done invites comedy to the claim that it can't be done.

Naturally we will see automation supplementing the pilot, as we see with autonomous vehicles today. No need to relinquish all control at first.

I don't know about this series, but I know that at least one of the other Robot Wars series was allowing people an extra 25 pounds to work with if it was for sensors and computer equipment to make the robot self-driving.

Maybe someone like Virginia Tech, MIT, or Stanford should take them up on that offer and build a self controlled killbot in between their other DARPA robotics competitions.

 

[Ns1]

what a sad showing for plan x/what a sick falcon punch to the face by bronco