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Are we in for a long struggle?

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StormRider

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Audio Tape Threats

In the audiotape, the speaker thought to be al-Zarqawi told Iraq's interim prime minister, Iyad Allawi, that "we will continue the game with you until the end." The speaker said "we will not get bored" until "we make you drink from the same glass" as Izzadine Saleem, the Iraqi governing Council president killed last month in a car-bombing claimed at al-Zarqawi's group.

"We will carry on our jihad against the Western infidel and the Arab apostate until Islamic rule is back on earth," the voice said.
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Sadly, I think you are mistaken. 🙁


It is a crutch that humankind has been leaning on for far too long, and has now replaced the leg. We'll bludgeon anyone with it if they attempt to make us learn to use both legs.
 
Originally posted by: chrisms
Kill them
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Easier said than done. How do you kill an enemy which a.) you can't find because they have no official command hierarchy, b.) recruits new members and trains them faster than we can kill them, and c.) can escape to a dozen more countries after you've eliminated the government that harbors them?

The solution, instead of invading the remainder of the nondemocratic world, is to encourage more moderate Islam. It's not quick, it's not easy, but it is sure more effective than trying to fight against a terrorist threat which is held up by a culture which tolerates it. Attacking a symptom does nothing to cure the illness - we KNOW this, yet we continue to do exactly the opposite.
 
Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
Originally posted by: chrisms
Kill them
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Easier said than done. How do you kill an enemy which a.) you can't find because they have no official command hierarchy, b.) recruits new members and trains them faster than we can kill them, and c.) can escape to a dozen more countries after you've eliminated the government that harbors them?

The solution, instead of invading the remainder of the nondemocratic world, is to encourage more moderate Islam. It's not quick, it's not easy, but it is sure more effective than trying to fight against a terrorist threat which is held up by a culture which tolerates it. Attacking a symptom does nothing to cure the illness - we KNOW this, yet we continue to do exactly the opposite.
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Or you could combat terrorism by instilling hope in people, lets say....planting a representative republic in the heart of the middle east. Time will tell if Iraq pays off.
 
Originally posted by: MrGrim257
Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
Originally posted by: chrisms
Kill them
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Easier said than done. How do you kill an enemy which a.) you can't find because they have no official command hierarchy, b.) recruits new members and trains them faster than we can kill them, and c.) can escape to a dozen more countries after you've eliminated the government that harbors them?

The solution, instead of invading the remainder of the nondemocratic world, is to encourage more moderate Islam. It's not quick, it's not easy, but it is sure more effective than trying to fight against a terrorist threat which is held up by a culture which tolerates it. Attacking a symptom does nothing to cure the illness - we KNOW this, yet we continue to do exactly the opposite.
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Or you could combat terrorism by instilling hope in people, lets say....planting a representative republic in the heart of the middle east. Time will tell if Iraq pays off.
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Yeah, ramming a new political concept down the throat of a culture that's been around for thousands of years is always the most productive way. Esp. if can you manage to kill over 10,000 innocent civilians in the process and abuse others wrongfully taken prisoner.
 
Originally posted by: MrGrim257
Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
Originally posted by: chrisms
Kill them
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Easier said than done. How do you kill an enemy which a.) you can't find because they have no official command hierarchy, b.) recruits new members and trains them faster than we can kill them, and c.) can escape to a dozen more countries after you've eliminated the government that harbors them?

The solution, instead of invading the remainder of the nondemocratic world, is to encourage more moderate Islam. It's not quick, it's not easy, but it is sure more effective than trying to fight against a terrorist threat which is held up by a culture which tolerates it. Attacking a symptom does nothing to cure the illness - we KNOW this, yet we continue to do exactly the opposite.
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Or you could combat terrorism by instilling hope in people, lets say....planting a representative republic in the heart of the middle east. Time will tell if Iraq pays off.[/q

Making Iraq democratic will hardly solve anything - it's not like democracy is going to 'rub off' on nearby countries and dictators are going to start stepping down in droves. The problem is even in a democracy, there is terrorism - furthermore, a democracy in Iraq will do little to curb the tremendous influence which radical Islam wields in Iraq, both domestically AND internationally in that part of the world. A cultural shift, unfortunately, will not occur with the installation of a political system, which for all we know, may simply not work in Iraq.
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Originally posted by: MrGrim257
Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
Originally posted by: chrisms
Kill them
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Easier said than done. How do you kill an enemy which a.) you can't find because they have no official command hierarchy, b.) recruits new members and trains them faster than we can kill them, and c.) can escape to a dozen more countries after you've eliminated the government that harbors them?

The solution, instead of invading the remainder of the nondemocratic world, is to encourage more moderate Islam. It's not quick, it's not easy, but it is sure more effective than trying to fight against a terrorist threat which is held up by a culture which tolerates it. Attacking a symptom does nothing to cure the illness - we KNOW this, yet we continue to do exactly the opposite.
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Or you could combat terrorism by instilling hope in people, lets say....planting a representative republic in the heart of the middle east. Time will tell if Iraq pays off.
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Yes, democracy is the panacea. Look how well it has worked in Africa.


Oh wait...
 
I have said this before and I will say this again, until and unless Oil does not run out in the Middle East, dont expect any end to the terrorism. There will always be someone who will be ticked off at the US. But without any financial support, they wont be able to do jack. Money = Evil literally in the case of middle east. Mine the region and stay out the politics. Thats what the US should have done a long long time ago.
 
Originally posted by: Hafen
Originally posted by: MrGrim257
Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
Originally posted by: chrisms
Kill them
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Easier said than done. How do you kill an enemy which a.) you can't find because they have no official command hierarchy, b.) recruits new members and trains them faster than we can kill them, and c.) can escape to a dozen more countries after you've eliminated the government that harbors them?

The solution, instead of invading the remainder of the nondemocratic world, is to encourage more moderate Islam. It's not quick, it's not easy, but it is sure more effective than trying to fight against a terrorist threat which is held up by a culture which tolerates it. Attacking a symptom does nothing to cure the illness - we KNOW this, yet we continue to do exactly the opposite.
Click to expand...

Or you could combat terrorism by instilling hope in people, lets say....planting a representative republic in the heart of the middle east. Time will tell if Iraq pays off.
Click to expand...


Yes, democracy is the panacea. Look how well it has worked in Africa.


Oh wait...
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Wait a minute now. The liberals have been telling me that all we need to do is quit supporting the current regimes over there, send lots of money and love, and democracy will spring forth, and we won't have terrorism? Which is it?
 
Originally posted by: StormRider
Audio Tape Threats

In the audiotape, the speaker thought to be al-Zarqawi told Iraq's interim prime minister, Iyad Allawi, that "we will continue the game with you until the end." The speaker said "we will not get bored" until "we make you drink from the same glass" as Izzadine Saleem, the Iraqi governing Council president killed last month in a car-bombing claimed at al-Zarqawi's group.

"We will carry on our jihad against the Western infidel and the Arab apostate until Islamic rule is back on earth," the voice said.
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does that mean they are going to start fighting the iranians, if they are maybe we should give them some support.
 
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Hafen
Originally posted by: MrGrim257
Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
Originally posted by: chrisms
Kill them
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Easier said than done. How do you kill an enemy which a.) you can't find because they have no official command hierarchy, b.) recruits new members and trains them faster than we can kill them, and c.) can escape to a dozen more countries after you've eliminated the government that harbors them?

The solution, instead of invading the remainder of the nondemocratic world, is to encourage more moderate Islam. It's not quick, it's not easy, but it is sure more effective than trying to fight against a terrorist threat which is held up by a culture which tolerates it. Attacking a symptom does nothing to cure the illness - we KNOW this, yet we continue to do exactly the opposite.
Click to expand...

Or you could combat terrorism by instilling hope in people, lets say....planting a representative republic in the heart of the middle east. Time will tell if Iraq pays off.
Click to expand...


Yes, democracy is the panacea. Look how well it has worked in Africa.


Oh wait...
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Wait a minute now. The liberals have been telling me that all we need to do is quit supporting the current regimes over there, send lots of money and love, and democracy will spring forth, and we won't have terrorism? Which is it?
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DON'T get involved at all? I know Americans love to play god and think it's in their own best interests, but seriously, does it work?

Just leave them to do whatever they like until they challange YOU, that is why Afghanistan was a success and Iraq isn't.
 
Originally posted by: thebenjamins
Originally posted by: StormRider
Audio Tape Threats

In the audiotape, the speaker thought to be al-Zarqawi told Iraq's interim prime minister, Iyad Allawi, that "we will continue the game with you until the end." The speaker said "we will not get bored" until "we make you drink from the same glass" as Izzadine Saleem, the Iraqi governing Council president killed last month in a car-bombing claimed at al-Zarqawi's group.

"We will carry on our jihad against the Western infidel and the Arab apostate until Islamic rule is back on earth," the voice said.
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does that mean they are going to start fighting the iranians, if they are maybe we should give them some support.
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Yeah, do that, get involved, it has worked out great so far, hasn't it?
 
You better believe we are...

For example, look how long the Israelis and Palestinians have been fighting; thousands of years.

These people don't want change, and I am slowly, slowly starting to believe that.

At least the early settlers of the US longed for and soon got freedom, but there's one major difference here between the Iraqi's and the colonists....we WANTED freedom and WE fought for it.

A little of me is still for the war, but it's getting more and more depressing. Let's wait until after 6/30 to see if anything changes for the better. I sure hope to GOD is does.
 
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: Klixxer

Just leave them to do whatever they like until they challange YOU, that is whyAfghanistan was a success and Iraq isn't.
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Afghanistan a success?

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What's wrong with that? They are building a goverment. What do you expect after living in the dark ages for how many Taliban years? Do you think it's going to be built back up and strong after 3 years? There are still haters present that need to be killed. I would say Afghanistan is more of a sucess than Iraq...(that's not obvious).
 
Originally posted by: M0NEYSH0T
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: Klixxer

Just leave them to do whatever they like until they challange YOU, that is whyAfghanistan was a success and Iraq isn't.
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Afghanistan a success?

😕
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What's wrong with that? They are building a goverment. What do you expect after living in the dark ages for how many Taliban years? Do you think it's going to be built back up and strong after 3 years? There are still haters present that need to be killed. I would say Afghanistan is more of a sucess than Iraq...(that's not obvious).
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It obviously is more successful than Iraq because the people in Afghanistan want us to be there helping them. Perhaps that is because under the Taliban they were in such bad straits, similar to Germany and Japan after years of war, and therefore were accepting of an occupier coming in and imposing democracy. The situation in Iraq under Saddam, though not ideal, wasn't as bad as far as neccessities go.

Zephyr
 
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