Are we headed toward another Holocaust? Jews ordered to register Russia

[werepossum]

Ah, yes, the "Let's not learn a damn thing from our past" theory.

Novel, but interesting.

If there's one thing I've learned in life it's that learning things never taught me nothing and books is the worst.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_KO7-MgU7s

 

[norseamd]

Ukraine, and probably a provocation.

you know that is wrong

so this time it was face to face and not just a bomb in the night and yet you still keep saying the same thing

i suppose you think there is nothing going on in eastern ukraine right now involving muscovites

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

I hate to break it to you guy, but there are those groups in America, too. They're usually paid by foreign interests to conduct these types of BS propaganda campaigns, not unlike mainstream media. Here is Hillary saying Putin is like Hitler lol :

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/05/hillary-clinton-vladimir-adolf-hitler_n_4903820.html

I know, but I was responding to someone who seemed to think that Russia could not possibly do anything like that, and that Putin is a saint. Claiming it's a false flag operation without proof either way is just as bad as accepting it as proof that the Russians did it.

 

[AViking]

The US has not led a genocide against it's own citizens. Russia has.

I like how you try to use semantics to dance around genocide.

The USA has committed genocide. What we did to the native populations during the course of over 40 wars, armed confrontations, massacres, infecting them with small pox, forced marches, and so on definitively constitutes genocide.

America killed a lot of Indians. Tough to pinpoint how many but I think it's safe to say that's one of the largest genocides in history.

If I recall correctly a study done by the US government estimated that 4 million were killed. Another study estimated 100 million. Either way it's more than died under the Khmer Rouge. Even at the minimum it's twice as bad.

According to Wikipedia it's the 3rd worst genocide in history by minimum dead and the worst genocide in history going by the maximum estimated dead.

 

[norseamd]

I like how you try to use semantics to dance around genocide. The USA has committed genocide. What we did to the native populations during the course of over 40 wars, armed confrontations, massacres, infecting them with small pox, forced marches, and so on definitively constitutes genocide. America killed a lot of Indians. Tough to pinpoint how many but I think it's safe to say that's one of the largest genocides in history. If I recall correctly a study done by the US government estimated that 4 million were killed. Another study estimated 100 million. Either way it's more than died under the Khmer Rouge. Even at the minimum it's twice as bad. According to Wikipedia it's the 3rd worst genocide in history by minimum dead and the worst genocide in history going by the maximum estimated dead.

this

although it was not just the united states of america but also many europeans across the americas

 

[Pr0d1gy]

I know, but I was responding to someone who seemed to think that Russia could not possibly do anything like that, and that Putin is a saint. Claiming it's a false flag operation without proof either way is just as bad as accepting it as proof that the Russians did it.

Russia already did do something like that. They killed more Jews than the Nazis in WW2 iirc. That does not mean this is real or even remotely true. And for you and others to be on here parroting this tripe is at best horribly dishonest, and at worst shilling for dollars.

 

[senseamp]

you know that is wrong

so this time it was face to face and not just a bomb in the night and yet you still keep saying the same thing

i suppose you think there is nothing going on in eastern ukraine right now involving muscovites

Even you admit it's not Russia, it's Ukraine. And even American based ADL, which is dedicated to tracking anti-Semitism sees it as a fake. The fact that US state department was so quick to jump on this obvious fake and scream "anti-semitism" to me confirms that they are the ones who planted it for some cheap PR. Not surprising since they are now allies with Western Ukrainian groups who are openly anti-semitic, so they need some PR to counterbalance that.

http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-Features/Wiesenthal-ranks-top-10-anti-Semites-Israel-haters

The Wiesenthal Center also cited Oleg Tyagnibok (No. 5) from the fascist Ukranian Svoboda party. He urged purges of the approximately 400,000 Jews and other minorities living in the Ukraine and has demanded that the country be liberated from the “Muscovite Jewish Mafia.”

Again, this is Simon Wiesenthal center in Los Angeles, which operates the Holocaust museum, ranking a top member of new Kiev Regime as #5 to anti-Semite in the world.

Here is him meeting with McCain and the US ambassador.

They look very concerned with anti-Semitism there, legitimizing a guy who advocated purging Jews. But someone (probably one of their new friends) prints some fake flyers in Eastern Ukraine, and that's all they talk about, even mention it in the Geneva agreement.

 

[MagickMan]

I like how you try to use semantics to dance around genocide.

The USA has committed genocide. What we did to the native populations during the course of over 40 wars, armed confrontations, massacres, infecting them with small pox, forced marches, and so on definitively constitutes genocide.

America killed a lot of Indians. Tough to pinpoint how many but I think it's safe to say that's one of the largest genocides in history.

If I recall correctly a study done by the US government estimated that 4 million were killed. Another study estimated 100 million. Either way it's more than died under the Khmer Rouge. Even at the minimum it's twice as bad.

According to Wikipedia it's the 3rd worst genocide in history by minimum dead and the worst genocide in history going by the maximum estimated dead.

Don't forget what Australia did to its aboriginal population, too.

 

[iGas]

I hope that we don't repeat history. However, you can't trust Russia under Putin the Fuhrer.

Anti-Semitic flyers rattle eastern Ukraine's Jewish community: Derek Stoffel

It's not at all clear who is behind this leaflet. It bears the symbols of both Russia and the People's Republic of Donetsk, an unrecognized breakaway state proclaimed by pro-Russian separatists here, as well as the signature of the region's temporary governor, Denis Pushilin.

When CBC News contacted Pushilin, he denied that the People's Republic of Donetsk was behind the leaflet. Instead, he suggested this was an act of provocation.

Regardless of where it came from, this is a worrying development for Ukraine's Jewish community as their country struggles through a deep political crisis.

In the weeks since Viktor Yanukovych was ousted as Ukraine's president, pro-Russian and pro-Ukrainian sides have called each other "Nazis" and "fascists." Accusations of anti-Semitism have been traded as well.

I hope Netanyahu and Shimon Peres have some strong words for theirs new found partner Putin over this, just as how they has been with Obama.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Russia already did do something like that. They killed more Jews than the Nazis in WW2 iirc. That does not mean this is real or even remotely true. And for you and others to be on here parroting this tripe is at best horribly dishonest, and at worst shilling for dollars.

No Russian apologist here but the bolded is just crazy. They did no such thing.

 

[OBLAMA2009]

Looks like false flag propaganda, but working pretty well on gullible Americans from reading this thread.

No Russian apologist here but the bolded is just crazy. They did no such thing.

the "holocaust" was debunked a long time ago by the leuchter report

 

[AViking]

Some of you are batshit crazy in here. Yes the Holocaust happened and no the Russians did not kill more Jews than the Nazis did. Some of you must have dropped out of school in the 3rd grade and been raised by the KKK.

 

[senseamp]

http://www.sundayexpress.co.uk/news/world/471422/Jews-urged-to-flee-Ukraine-by-Holocaust-survivor

As the climate of fear grows, however, the authenticity of the pamphlets is being called into question. Denis Pushilin, leader of the breakaway pro-Russian People’s Republic, vehemently denied his organisation was behind the leaflets. “Look at this document, I have never called myself the people’s governor, my job is different,” he told the Sunday Express.

“The stamp is bigger than it should be because it was Photoshopped from some real document.”

Mr Pushilin, who claims to run the industrial region of Donetsk, added: “I am personally strongly against any declarations of this sort made against Jewish or any other people. This is a dirty trick by our foes. It is a forgery.”

His militant supporters, who were yesterday still defying last week’s Geneva agreement to lay down arms and surrender control of government buildings, showed how Room 514 in the regional HQ, supposedly where Jewish people should register, was empty.

They called on Ukraine’s police and secret services to find the real culprits, claiming the authors “tried to provoke a conflict”, and pin blame on the separatists.

Dr Efraim Zuroff, of the respected Simon Wiesenthal Centre, agreed, suggesting the Donetsk flyers were “an attempt to paint the pro-Russian forces as anti-Semitic”.

Time to fix the title, since it has nothing to do with Russia.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

No Russian apologist here but the bolded is just crazy. They did no such thing.

Some of you are batshit crazy in here. Yes the Holocaust happened and no the Russians did not kill more Jews than the Nazis did. Some of you must have dropped out of school in the 3rd grade and been raised by the KKK.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Did_the_R...Did_the_Russians_kill_Jews_during_World_War_2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Russia

From this page:

"Over two million Soviet Jews are believed to have died during the Holocaust"

 

[Victorian Gray]

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Did_the_R...Did_the_Russians_kill_Jews_during_World_War_2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Russia

From this page:

"Over two million Soviet Jews are believed to have died during the Holocaust"

First link is simply a statement by some unknown person which actually contradicts your position and the second link mentions 2 million Russian Jews killed by the Nazis during the war.

So, your point?

 

[Victorian Gray]

the "holocaust" was debunked a long time ago by the leuchter report

You are delusional.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

And you people say I'M a conspiracy theorist. Laughable.

 

[Victorian Gray]

And you people say I'M a conspiracy theorist. Laughable.

So far all the 'proof' that you posted actually contradicts your claim. So, yeah *something* is "laughable"...

 

[MongGrel]

the "holocaust" was debunked a long time ago by the leuchter report

Just for you for sounding so damned ignorant.

I guess my grandfather lied about North Africa, D-Day, and going across France with Patton and ripping this patch off a dead Nazi.

On top or an uncle who was in the infantry in Germay and got his knees shot up, and another who was a rear gunner on a torpedo bomber in the Pacific.

Twit.

RIP Grandpa.

 

[shady28]

the "holocaust" was debunked a long time ago by the leuchter report

Hopefully you're being sarcastic...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leuchter_report

"Leuchter chiefly cited the absence of Prussian blue in the homicidal gas chambers in support of his view that they could not have functioned that way. However, residual iron-based cyanide compounds are not a categorical consequence of cyanide exposure. By not discriminating against that, Leuchter introduced an unreliable factor into his experiment, and the outcome was seriously flawed as a result. In contrast, fair tests conducted by Polish forensic scientists (who discriminated against iron-based compounds) confirmed the presence of cyanide in the locations and manner in accordance with where and how it was used in the Holocaust. "


"...the institute relied primary on the talents of a California-based publicist named Bradley Smith who packaged and promoted Leuchter's discredited material as if it were the very essence of "scientific research" or at least a tenable "point of view," intrinsically worthy of inclusion in the academic agenda..." Churchill, Ward. A Little Matter of Genocide: Holocaust and Denial in the Americas, 1492 to the Present. City Lights Books, 1997, p. 24.

"After the trial, both Irving and Zündel published the results of Leuchter's trial research as The Leuchter Report: The End of a Myth, despite the fact that the court rejected both the report and Leuchter's testimony. [...] The discredited report is popular in the Holocaust denial movement, and one edition features a foreword by Irving." Gerstenfeld, Phyllis B. Grant, Diana R. Crimes of Hate: Selected Readings, SAGE Publications, 2003, p. 201.

etc

 

[MongGrel]

I'd thought those things would perhaps sell for a bit these days, but they mean too much to me.

People talk about having hero's growing up like sports players, my grandfather was, he was one of the most pleasant, well spoken, loved people I ever knew, he made his living painting murals here in FL after WWII.

And did pretty well at it.

Ans on a side note, hated the GOP after the 90's for being morons.

 

[Baasha]

Not that I want to get into this "debate", but it must be pointed out that several of the Schutzstaffel's (Waffen SS) Einsatzgruppen operations were carried out in Ukraine, specifically in Kiev and other "main" cities. They couldn't have enacted Heydrich's diabolical strategy with such precision and efficacy without implicit help from fellow Slavs in Ukraine. Their antisemitism goes back a long way.

*Not generalizing Ukranians as a whole (know a couple of upstanding gents from there) but this new-found targeting of Jews in that place is not so new.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

*Not generalizing Ukranians as a whole (know a couple of upstanding gents from there) but this new-found targeting of Jews in that place is not so new.

This is a completely false story and the fact that all of you are still posting in this thread, complete with Nazi memorabilia, just goes to show what a waste of time this place is.

*shakes head and walks......FAR AWAY*

 

[Baasha]

This is a completely false story and the fact that all of you are still posting in this thread, complete with Nazi memorabilia, just goes to show what a waste of time this place is.

*shakes head and walks......FAR AWAY*

False story? WTF are you on? Do some research on it before blabbering.

Given this post and the one in the Hurricane Carter thread, I am almost certain you are a Stormfronter. Spittin da troof?

 

[Pr0d1gy]

False story? WTF are you on? Do some research on it before blabbering.

Given this post and the one in the Hurricane Carter thread, I am almost certain you are a Stormfronter. Spittin da troof?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-20/donetsk-letter-jews-found-be-forgery

lmfao

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