Question are video card prices headed down yet?

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Saylick

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So someone on my local Craigslist is selling a used 3080 Ti for $380... Seems too good to be true. Should I go for it? :p
 

manly

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Actually just used that Affirm coupon a couple days ago and then paid off the loan a day or two later and had no finance charge. Just FYI for those considering the Newegg deal.
I read that the finance charge is a fixed $12, built into the payments. The max. discount is $100 (15% of $667), so you'll want to max out the discount if possible.
 

Elfear

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I read that the finance charge is a fixed $12, built into the payments. The max. discount is $100 (15% of $667), so you'll want to max out the discount if possible.
Affirm does show a finance charge on most of their literature and statements but it must be the finance charge if paid according to the payment plan you set up. I set mine up for 3 payments over 3 months. However, when I made the payment, the finance charge was dropped off and I only paid the total Newegg charged me for the order.
 

manly

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Affirm does show a finance charge on most of their literature and statements but it must be the finance charge if paid according to the payment plan you set up. I set mine up for 3 payments over 3 months. However, when I made the payment, the finance charge was dropped off and I only paid the total Newegg charged me for the order.
Good catch! Confirmed by a Reddit thread: must be paid in full before first scheduled payment.
 
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mastertech01

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Well I am quite satisfied that my 2080 TI FE is perfect for my future needs. Not being a big gamer I did want to at least be able to verify satisfactory results with recent titles so I asked my daughter to install one benchmark game she knew of so I could test my systems performance. She downloaded Final Fantasy 14 Endwalker Benchmark and set it up for all highest settings and 1440P resolution. I also ran it at 1080P. The 1080P score was 19325 and the 1440 was 19015. From what I was reading anything over 15000 was very good performance so Im satisfied with my setup. No need to wait for reasonable prices any longer. Im moving on.
 

Aapje

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Well I am quite satisfied that my 2080 TI FE is perfect for my future needs.
There is not even a need to consider your future needs if you are currently happy with what you have. GPU's are not investment vehicles. Almost always, the longer you wait, the better things you get. In a few years we'll get GDDR7, so that might provide a nice boost for the people who upgrade then.
 

GunsMadeAmericaFree

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There is not even a need to consider your future needs if you are currently happy with what you have. GPU's are not investment vehicles. Almost always, the longer you wait, the better things you get. In a few years we'll get GDDR7, so that might provide a nice boost for the people who upgrade then.
Does anyone know, roughly, what % of the desktop market is now served by onboard CPU graphics, vs true video cards? I found myself curious about that this morning.....
 

Heartbreaker

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Does anyone know, roughly, what % of the desktop market is now served by onboard CPU graphics, vs true video cards? I found myself curious about that this morning.....

For general PC usage, I would count on the majority. I seem to remember a time, before Intel had discrete GPU cards, when they counted Intel iGPUs and intel was riding high on the CPU front, something like 60% of "GPU" market was Intel.
 

Aapje

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For general PC usage, I would count on the majority. I seem to remember a time, before Intel had discrete GPU cards, when they counted Intel iGPUs and intel was riding high on the CPU front, something like 60% of "GPU" market was Intel.
I'm a bit skeptical about those numbers because:
1. They seem to count shipped GPUs, but lots of iGPUs remain unused.
2. There is a big difference between a GPU that merely drives a screen for office work and a GPU that is used for serious gaming. Intel found this out the hard way with Intel Arc.
 

MrTeal

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If we acc
I'm a bit skeptical about those numbers because:
1. They seem to count shipped GPUs, but lots of iGPUs remain unused.
2. There is a big difference between a GPU that merely drives a screen for office work and a GPU that is used for serious gaming. Intel found this out the hard way with Intel Arc.
Why are you skeptical of it? I'd say a large majority of desktop PCs ship without a GPU.
JPR says the penetration of dGPUs in the market will be ~30% over the next 5 years, which actually still seems high to me if you're factoring in the millions of Optiplexes and Elitedesks sold every year. That's 2:1 for integrated though.
 

Aapje

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Why are you skeptical of it? I'd say a large majority of desktop PCs ship without a GPU.
Because an iGPU has different use cases, different profit margins, not necessary any crossover to the professional market, etc.

What you are doing is like arguing that Mitsubishi is doing very well because they sold 700k cars in 2022, while Ferrari is failing spectacularly, for selling only 13k cars. Yet in reality Mitsubishi is doing rather poorly in the market they target and Ferrari very well for their market.

There is a reason why Intel is trying, and struggling, to enter the discrete GPU market, because it is much harder, but can also be much more rewarding than just making something to 'show spreadsheet on screen.'
 

MrTeal

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Because an iGPU has different use cases, different profit margins, not necessary any crossover to the professional market, etc.

What you are doing is like arguing that Mitsubishi is doing very well because they sold 700k cars in 2022, while Ferrari is failing spectacularly, for selling only 13k cars. Yet in reality Mitsubishi is doing rather poorly in the market they target and Ferrari very well for their market.

There is a reason why Intel is trying, and struggling, to enter the discrete GPU market, because it is much harder, but can also be much more rewarding than just making something to 'show spreadsheet on screen.'
Well yeah, but that's answering kind of a different question isn't it?
Guns just asked what percentage of desktops use iGPUs, and Heartbreaker replied with some numbers. Are you skeptical that 60%+ of desktops use iGPUs or that the majority of desktops are using Intel silicon for graphics?
 

Ajay

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I'm curious to see what AMD will do with prices after the new Super models come out from NV.
 

Aapje

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Well yeah, but that's answering kind of a different question isn't it?
Guns just asked what percentage of desktops use iGPUs, and Heartbreaker replied with some numbers. Are you skeptical that 60%+ of desktops use iGPUs or that the majority of desktops are using Intel silicon for graphics?
Fair enough.

I'm curious to see what AMD will do with prices after the new Super models come out from NV.
I think that the 7900 XTX and XT need to drop a bit.
 

Aapje

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They may even come up with some x50 models clocked higher. (though not necessarily in sync with the SUPERs)
Not sure whether that works well due to the leakage issues that limits the voltage. All the overclocking guides for RDNA4 seem to suggest that you need to undervolt the card to be able to overclock, but there is a reason why companies don't undervolt out of the factory, as it is very hard to guarantee stability.
 

Harry_Wild

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Bitcoin is at $46K! Graphics cards and the price of Crypto currency are in direct relationships. Higher price of crypto; higher graphics card prices!
 

GodisanAtheist

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Used cards between $200 and $100 are still all over the damn place.

The complete stagnation of performance with the current gen means 6600XTs/6600/5700xt/3060/3050/2070(S)/2060(S)/A750/1080Ti are all smashed together between $100-$200 with no rhyme or reason for their sale prices.

The 980ti performance tier is all stuck around $75-$100, which is too damn much for a 9 year old card.
 

Aapje

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This is the future if Moore's law really dies. People who keep using cards until they die and lots of video's on how to replace fans and thermal paste.
 
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psolord

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So, I've been on the lookout for GPU prices too, and it seems like there's a bit of relief lately. Not a massive drop, but definitely some improvement.
The 4070 super alone, did a number on the whole stack.