Are Toyota plants here in the U.S. unionized?

[phatj]

just curious

 

[whalen]

no

 

[GeneValgene]

no, they are not

 

[woowoo]

Originally posted by: whalen
no

Correct

 

[phatj]

awesome, thanks... i googled toyota and union and it seems that in Japan there is a union of sorts... but i couldn't find anything about U.S.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: woowoo

Originally posted by: whalen
no

Correct

Incorrect

NUMMI

 

[StrangerGuy]

What's the deal with unions?

 

[radioouman]

No they are not, and NUMMI is a joint venture plant.

 

[Shaotai]

which is why people who are for/in unions don't like what toyota has done...

I have a friend who agrees they make good cars, but won't buy it because they have no unions...

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: StrangerGuy
What's the deal with unions?

American Unions are a huge headache to auto manufacturers.

 

[Ryan]

For the better too - they treat their employees very well, so there's no need for unions.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: Shaotai
which is why people who are for/in unions don't like what toyota has done...

I have a friend who agrees they make good cars, but won't buy it because they have no unions...

WHY? I am pro union but the reason for a union is when the company if NOT taking care of its employees. You take care of your employees and they will take care of you. BUT if you treat them like sh1t then they will form a union and make it even worse then if you, the company, did the right thing in the first place.

 

[Shaotai]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Shaotai
which is why people who are for/in unions don't like what toyota has done...

I have a friend who agrees they make good cars, but won't buy it because they have no unions...

WHY? I am pro union but the reason for a union is when the company if NOT taking care of its employees. You take care of your employees and they will take care of you. BUT if you treat them like sh1t then they will form a union and make it even worse then if you, the company, did the right thing in the first place.

That's what I tried to explain to this friend! I do agree that unions can be successful and work for the good of the employees and the company, but I've seen some unions that are just clueless...

There was a good MSNBC article on the cost of cars for Toyota vs. GM and comparing the different "costs" besides the actual car. (I'm too lazy to link it...) IIRC, one of GM's costs dealt with union/pension issues and how Toyota didn't have that... It was a good read anyhow...

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: Shaotai
which is why people who are for/in unions don't like what toyota has done...

I have a friend who agrees they make good cars, but won't buy it because they have no unions...

Well, there are a lot of people who do stupid things for stupid reasons.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Shaotai

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Shaotai
which is why people who are for/in unions don't like what toyota has done...

I have a friend who agrees they make good cars, but won't buy it because they have no unions...

WHY? I am pro union but the reason for a union is when the company if NOT taking care of its employees. You take care of your employees and they will take care of you. BUT if you treat them like sh1t then they will form a union and make it even worse then if you, the company, did the right thing in the first place.

That's what I tried to explain to this friend! I do agree that unions can be successful and work for the good of the employees and the company, but I've seen some unions that are just clueless...

There was a good MSNBC article on the cost of cars for Toyota vs. GM and comparing the different "costs" besides the actual car. (I'm too lazy to link it...) IIRC, one of GM's costs dealt with union/pension issues and how Toyota didn't have that... It was a good read anyhow...

Heh...speaking of clueless.

Q: When is a picket line not a picket line? A: When AFL-CIO officials cross it!
The Center for Union Facts Finds AFL-CIO Union Execs Living Large on Members? Dime

3/2/06

SAN DIEGO, CA -- Under a gentle breeze on a sunny afternoon, Pacific Ocean waves quietly crested and crashed onto the soft sandy beaches at the foot of the exclusive Hotel del Coronado, which played host to the AFL-CIO executive council annual meeting this week. But while the Center for Union Facts followed the luminaries of labor out here fully expecting to find members' dues funding this lavish lifestyle, even we weren't ready for the union execs' shocking hypocrisy: the hotel where labor leaders are spending their members' money is currently being picketed by a union in a labor dispute!

click to view photo album As shown in our photo album, a Carpenters local isn't happy that the hotel uses a contractor that has remained union-free. But the AFL-CIO hotshots apparently don't believe in solidarity when it gets in the way of a good vacation on their members' dime.

And that dime turns into real money pretty quickly. The hotel itself is as expensive as it is beautiful, and rooms can easily run $600 per night or more. The spa is extra, and so is the food. But the hefty price tag didn't seem to slow the labor officials we saw, one of whom clocked more than 5 hours doing the members' work at a seaside bar, alternating between $3.25 bottles of San Pellegrino and highballs of whiskey on the rocks. For an idea of what the final tab could be, we checked the AFL-CIO's bill for its 2004 meeting at the Drake Hotel in Chicago. There they racked up a bill of $224,000 -- categorized as "union administration." That's a big party for a small group. With only 53 council members, that?s more than $4,000 a head.

The Center for Union Facts thinks it's important to highlight the hypocritical and selfish use of dues by union officials. So, we've put together another ad summing up the AFL-CIO's great boondoggle junket of '06 in the form of a postcard from labor leaders to their members. And just to make sure they got the point, we hand-delivered a few of our post cards to the AFL-CIO's top brass.

 

[Svnla]

No, and the newest Toyota plant in San Antonio <will be running by the end of this year> won't be a union shop either.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Shaotai
which is why people who are for/in unions don't like what toyota has done...

I have a friend who agrees they make good cars, but won't buy it because they have no unions...

WHY? I am pro union but the reason for a union is when the company if NOT taking care of its employees. You take care of your employees and they will take care of you. BUT if you treat them like sh1t then they will form a union and make it even worse then if you, the company, did the right thing in the first place.

Which was expecting in the early part of last century when many of todays current laws did not exist. Now workers are better protected, but they still think they are entitled to $60 and hour in wages and benefits for even the most menial car building task.

 

[IGBT]

..is the American made Toyota more American made i.e.parts then traditional domestic auto makers? If I bought a Dodge Dakota are it's parts and sub assemblies American made more so then the Toyota?

 

[dartworth]

Queasy that website you quoted is run by one of the top lobbyists in Washington DC.

I'm sure his facts are correct:roll:

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: dartworth
Queasy that website you quoted is run by one of the top lobbyists in Washington DC.

I'm sure his facts are correct:roll:

Unions are some of the biggest lobbying groups in Washington DC. I'm sure all their facts are correct too. :roll:

 

[dartworth]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Unions are some of the biggest lobbying groups in Washington DC. I'm sure all their facts are correct too. :roll:

That wasn't my point Queasy, and I agree with you.

I just wanted to point that out. There are always two sides to every story.

Just like people getting down on the UAW worker. If you talk to most UAW workers, they are not happy with the leaders in their union either.

UAW workers are not a lazy, overpaid workforce either. Every company has a certain percentage of "dead weight". Of course that is what everyone focuses on with the UAW. The average UAW employee goes to work everyday just like the rest of us. They abide by a contract that the auto makers and UAW agreed upon.

The UAW will be making concessions in the next contract. They know they have too and they will. However, the problem with the US auto makers starts at the top with management. Management within the auto makers and within the unions themselves both realize that changes have to be made. These changes are not going to happen overnight either, but they will happen. They have too.