Are these "liberal" Schools?

[azazyel]

I was about to buy a DVD called "FRONTLINE: From Jesus to Christ, the First Christians" from PBS.com but I wanted to see if I could get it at a store (there used to be a PBS store in Seattle) so I googled it. Well to my surprise there was a site denouncing this series and this paragraph kinda hit me as weird:

"It is worthy of note that no evangelical scholars were used in the series. Rather, the emphasis was on people from such liberal institutions as Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Duke, Brown, Union, etc. According to Craig Blomberg of Denver Seminary, the series "does not acknowledge distinctively evangelical perspectives at any point."

Now I didn't really think all those schools would be considered liberal but then again I don't pay attention to that kind of thing.



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Site against it

 

[bradruth]

Universities have a tendency to be left-leaning.

 

[SacrosanctFiend]

Originally posted by: bradruth
Universities have a tendency to be left-leaning.

Especially Berkeley.

 

[GasX]

Brown makes Berkeley look reactionary...

 

[azazyel]

And another clarification, an evangelical scholar would be someone who graduated from a Christian School?

 

[Krk3561]

Originally posted by: azazyel
I was about to buy a DVD called "FRONTLINE: From Jesus to Christ, the First Christians" from PBS.com but I wanted to see if I could get it at a store (there used to be a PBS store in Seattle) so I googled it. Well to my surprise there was a site denouncing this series and this paragraph kinda hit me as weird:

"It is worthy of note that no evangelical scholars were used in the series. Rather, the emphasis was on people from such liberal institutions as Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Duke, Brown, Union, etc. According to Craig Blomberg of Denver Seminary, the series "does not acknowledge distinctively evangelical perspectives at any point."

Now I didn't really think all those schools would be considered liberal but then again I don't pay attention to that kind of thing.



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Site against it

Its not liberal in the sense your thinking of in this case. There are two types of universities, liberal arts, i.e. english, philosophy, etc., and research.

That being said, Brown is probably next to Berkely with regard to liberality.

BTW: Duke is affiliated with the United Methodist Church. Union also has a religious affiliation.

 

[AccruedExpenditure]

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: bradruth
Universities have a tendency to be left-leaning.

Especially Berkeley.

Maybe in the 1960's... Berkeley in the 21st century is much more moderate. The Ivy Leagues have definitely appropiated and embraced neo-liberalism to a greater extent than UC Berkeley.

 

[Krk3561]

Originally posted by: AccruedExpenditure

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: bradruth
Universities have a tendency to be left-leaning.

Especially Berkeley.

Maybe in the 1960's... Berkeley in the 21st century is much more moderate. The Ivy Leagues have definitely appropiated and embraced neo-liberalism to a greater extent than UC Berkeley.

theyre far from moderate, maybe less liberal

 

[Ameesh]

not everyone can get into bob jones university.

 

[AccruedExpenditure]

Originally posted by: Krk3561

Originally posted by: AccruedExpenditure

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: bradruth
Universities have a tendency to be left-leaning.

Especially Berkeley.

Maybe in the 1960's... Berkeley in the 21st century is much more moderate. The Ivy Leagues have definitely appropiated and embraced neo-liberalism to a greater extent than UC Berkeley.

theyre far from moderate, maybe less liberal

Show me how Berkeley today is more liberal than not.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: bradruth
Universities have a tendency to be left-leaning.

Especially Berkeley.

Pretty much any liberal arts university = liberal. Most engineering schools outside of Cali tend to lean a little to the right

 

[Mr N8]

Originally posted by: Ameesh
not everyone can get into bob jones university.

LOL! My cousin goes there, and I razz him about it all the time. Last time he came home I took him out for a good time in Chicago. He was like a kid in a candy store. 😛

 

[Tom]

I'm pretty sure Harvard has some sort of religious school..

but more to the point, a "liberal" institution means open to new ideas and concepts, not the misappropriation of the word that has occurred since the Reagan era.

 

[HamSupLo]

not trying to throw political fuel into the fire, but universities appear liberal since learning requires open mindedness and the willingness to question. hence the association with liberalism with higher education.

 

[azazyel]

Originally posted by: Tom
I'm pretty sure Harvard has some sort of religious school..

but more to the point, a "liberal" institution means open to new ideas and concepts, not the misappropriation of the word that has occurred since the Reagan era.

I don't think that is the way they are using the term though. It just strikes me as funny that they would say doctors and professors from some of the most respected schools in the world are less reliable/knowledgeable than someone who went to a Christian college. To me it seems like ignoring the advice of some Doc from MIT so they can do what the grad from ITT told them to do.

 

[Garuda]

I went to Cornell and it was ridiculously left-wing. The students weren't as liberal as you might think, but the faculty were almost exclusively far-left when it came to politics.

I personally don't get why Berkely has such a rap for being left-wing. It's not the exception to the rule: it is the rule. Maybe other schools just do a better job of covering it up to present a moderate picture to outsiders.

Cornell has been "off-the deep end" left-wing since the Willard Straight (student union) Hall takeover of 1969, in which a group of armed black nationalist students took hostages. The university let in to their demands (for the opening of an Africana Studies center) and did not punish a single one of them. Most moderates and conservatives left Cornell at that point.

Just punch "Cornell" into a search engine and you'll get lots of disturbing stuff that wouldn't fly anywhere outside college campuses in America.

 

[AccruedExpenditure]

Originally posted by: Garuda
I went to Cornell and it was ridiculously left-wing. The students weren't as liberal as you might think, but the faculty were almost exclusively far-left when it came to politics.

Same thing at Cal. Same thing.

 

[PMChris]

Of course the entire school can't be off-the-deep-end leftist, we have one of the top engineering colleges in the nation. On the right side of the spectrum, we have a surprising number of student groups here who are really into Jesus. Last year during Welcome Week, I was handed a free bible and CD of worship songs within moments of walking onto campus. The College Republicans group is also supposedly fairly large.

But on the left side, we also have a Socialist party student group (that isn't marginalized) and Nader and Camejo come here constantly for speeches. For every College Republican, we definitely have at least 1 College Democrat. We recently had a parade in downtown Berkeley as part of the anniversary of the Free Speech Movement, and you got to see fat old people walk naked in the street with anti-Bush messages written on their stomaches, among other things. And I get handed books about Dick Cheney entitled "Children of Satan" by supporters of Lyndon LaRouche for president.

We've got everything here. Especially homeless people.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Garuda
I went to Cornell and it was ridiculously left-wing. The students weren't as liberal as you might think, but the faculty were almost exclusively far-left when it came to politics.

I personally don't get why Berkely has such a rap for being left-wing. It's not the exception to the rule: it is the rule. Maybe other schools just do a better job of covering it up to present a moderate picture to outsiders.

Cornell has been "off-the deep end" left-wing since the Willard Straight (student union) Hall takeover of 1969, in which a group of armed black nationalist students took hostages. The university let in to their demands (for the opening of an Africana Studies center) and did not punish a single one of them. Most moderates and conservatives left Cornell at that point.

Just punch "Cornell" into a search engine and you'll get lots of disturbing stuff that wouldn't fly anywhere outside college campuses in America.

We have UNC at Chapel Hill here. It is the Berkeley of the East. My cousin graduated from there and still lives nearby. We grabbed a bite to eat there and I commented about the lack of parking. He said it was a really popular place because nearby people would gather and sing. I looked at him with a blank face and said why? He replied back that's just what they do. Sure enough I saw them whole families of them, mostly barefoot and most of the men having long hair and wearing hippy clothing. The women of course were not wearing any makeup(Animal testing is bad...mmmkay?), faded jeans and birkenstocks. There was even a band there: acoustic guitar and bongo drums 😕 I kind of felt like rolling down the window and screaming "WooHoo 4 more years of Bush!" because I was feeling so much love. Not to mention the professional protestors there that will protest any cause....any cause.

However, it being the only liberal arts college around it is the only place to find decent looking chixors. One drive through NC State and Duke will confirm this.