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Are there still AMD Compatability issues?
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Maverick2002
Diamond Member
if youre gonna build a system, go to amd's site to check some of the approved stuff
also, high quality ram is STRONGLY recommended, cause with generic you might run into some probs
also, high quality ram is STRONGLY recommended, cause with generic you might run into some probs
He asked about AMD *software* compatibility problems.
Frankly, there never was. There have been some problems with different pieces of hardware not liking each other (Geforce and the 750, etc), but I don't think there is a single documented program that doesn't like AMD chips. The only thing I know of is Win95 original, in which the K6-2 had timing problems because it was much faster executing the LOOP instruction than Intel chips.(Microsoft made a booboo). Everything else is anti-AMD FUD (Fear Uncertainty Dismay).
EmperorNero
Golden Member
I agree with remnant, most of the incompatibilities you're hearing are either parnoid hype or has nothing to do with the athlon processors itself.
Remnant2 is absolutely correct as far as the (nonexistant) software incompatibilities faced by AMD-based systems.
Hardware compatibility has always been adequate, and these days it is excellent. All that an AMD system demands is an aproved power supply (usually they are good 250W or average 300W units) and genuine PC100 SDRAM conforming to Intel's specification. As a computer consultant, I often do not even meet these guidelines and even then I've had few problems.
Just remember: both Intel and AMD have recommended guidelines for hardware compatibility, in terms of RAM, power supply, cooling, etc. Meeting these recommendations does not make them incompatibilities, just as having to use 89 octane gas does not make your car a lemmon.
Modus
Hardware compatibility has always been adequate, and these days it is excellent. All that an AMD system demands is an aproved power supply (usually they are good 250W or average 300W units) and genuine PC100 SDRAM conforming to Intel's specification. As a computer consultant, I often do not even meet these guidelines and even then I've had few problems.
Just remember: both Intel and AMD have recommended guidelines for hardware compatibility, in terms of RAM, power supply, cooling, etc. Meeting these recommendations does not make them incompatibilities, just as having to use 89 octane gas does not make your car a lemmon.
Modus
To re-itterate what many other knoledgable AnandTech members have been saying in a bit more detail:
I have a Duron system on the KT133 VIA chipset (ASUS A7V motherboard). I only wish my systems at work were as fast and stable as my home machine. At work, we used exclusively DELL computers (and therefore Intel processors).
I couldn't give a higher recommendation than the AMD processors and systems. They are without a doubt among the most stable platforms availible today.
- Compatibility problems in early K6 systems was due to the chipset, not the software.
- K6 MVP3 chipsets and ALI chipsets have never played well with AGP bus utilization. This issue was never really resolved completely and 3dfx video cards (since they don't really utilize AGP features) are strongly recommended for these older boards.
- Current issues with some versions of K7 chipsets (AMD's in particular) has issues with nVidia cards running AGP 4X ....again not the processor.
I have a Duron system on the KT133 VIA chipset (ASUS A7V motherboard). I only wish my systems at work were as fast and stable as my home machine. At work, we used exclusively DELL computers (and therefore Intel processors).
I couldn't give a higher recommendation than the AMD processors and systems. They are without a doubt among the most stable platforms availible today.
Ornery,
The single VIA "compatibility issue" today is the fact that nVidia screwed up their brand new Detonator3 drivers -- they are unstable on KT133 chipsets when using AGP 4x and/or fast writes. Obviously, the problem is nVidia's since it was not apparent in the 5.xx Detonator2 drivers. And of course, AGP 4x and fast writes contribute all of nothing to actual game performance so there is no real penalty to leaving them disabled.
I realize you are still sour about your one (1) bad Socket 7 VIA motherboard from years ago, and that you find it an unbearable burden to download and install the one (1) VIA driver set necessary for full features and stability. But you needn't imply that VIA's chipsets are plauged by incompatibilities.
Modus
The single VIA "compatibility issue" today is the fact that nVidia screwed up their brand new Detonator3 drivers -- they are unstable on KT133 chipsets when using AGP 4x and/or fast writes. Obviously, the problem is nVidia's since it was not apparent in the 5.xx Detonator2 drivers. And of course, AGP 4x and fast writes contribute all of nothing to actual game performance so there is no real penalty to leaving them disabled.
I realize you are still sour about your one (1) bad Socket 7 VIA motherboard from years ago, and that you find it an unbearable burden to download and install the one (1) VIA driver set necessary for full features and stability. But you needn't imply that VIA's chipsets are plauged by incompatibilities.
Modus
WTF Modus? You sure are reading a LOT into a simple fuking question! I think zel was referring to VIA, not AMD. Get a GD grip will ya? :|
Edit: ...and if I'm right, the first part of your last post would have answered his question perfectly without acting like a wanking mofo! Jesus Chr... :|
Edit: ...and if I'm right, the first part of your last post would have answered his question perfectly without acting like a wanking mofo! Jesus Chr... :|
Mem
Lifer
I agree with Modus,the problem is really Nvidia since they said it will be fixed in their next update,It`s something to do with Via giving the same Id codes for KX133 & KT133 chipset ,anyway the Detonator 2 drivers work great so the speed in which Nvidia release new drivers this is really not a problem,btw I`ve got a new Via board(first one) & it`s rock stable,also using a Geforce2 MX card.
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ok, the ONLY hardware problems that Via chipsets seem to have, are with nVidia cards.
AMD's 750 had problems with generic PC100 SDRAM. it also had problems with power supplies that didn't provide clean power, that is, power that is not within certain specs (ie, + or - 5 volts, + or - 12 volts etc). and finally, the 750 had problems with some nVidia cards, though I don't know much about that (I suspect power supply, and other AGP issues that are also apparent in Via's implimentation).
needless to say, the 750 was pretty picky, however once you get a good PS and RAM, it's up to par with Via's KX133, and KT133 in terms of compatability. in fact, when running at 100mhz FSB/RAM, it competes VERY WELL with Via's chipsets.
now that we have pretty much all the known hardware compatabilities out of the way, there are SOME software compatability problems with Windows and the IDE drivers.
for some reason or another, when trying to install IDE drivers for your non-intel motherboard often causes headaches. I think this is Window's fault though.
AMD's 750 had problems with generic PC100 SDRAM. it also had problems with power supplies that didn't provide clean power, that is, power that is not within certain specs (ie, + or - 5 volts, + or - 12 volts etc). and finally, the 750 had problems with some nVidia cards, though I don't know much about that (I suspect power supply, and other AGP issues that are also apparent in Via's implimentation).
needless to say, the 750 was pretty picky, however once you get a good PS and RAM, it's up to par with Via's KX133, and KT133 in terms of compatability. in fact, when running at 100mhz FSB/RAM, it competes VERY WELL with Via's chipsets.
now that we have pretty much all the known hardware compatabilities out of the way, there are SOME software compatability problems with Windows and the IDE drivers.
for some reason or another, when trying to install IDE drivers for your non-intel motherboard often causes headaches. I think this is Window's fault though.
<< there are SOME software compatability problems with Windows >>
No kidding but things are getting better. Here's a typical via/Win issue:
http://www.hp.com/cposupport/printers/support_doc/bpd06397.html
Will it prevent me from buying that HP 842C I'm eyeing? Probably not. The fix is simple (install the via usb filter driver).
All platform choices have issues.
No kidding but things are getting better. Here's a typical via/Win issue:
http://www.hp.com/cposupport/printers/support_doc/bpd06397.html
Will it prevent me from buying that HP 842C I'm eyeing? Probably not. The fix is simple (install the via usb filter driver).
All platform choices have issues.
*Chortle* some of the really old win95 games that detect your processor - some Sierra and Codemaster games spring to mind - refuse to install if it isn't an Intel setup. Cyrix chips are evil! 😛
*EDIT* My Geforce 256 SDR runs very well in my GA-5AX super 7 setup btw, with all these old k62's you just need the latest agp miniport to "let god sort em out" as ole Duke would say 🙂
*EDIT* My Geforce 256 SDR runs very well in my GA-5AX super 7 setup btw, with all these old k62's you just need the latest agp miniport to "let god sort em out" as ole Duke would say 🙂
"EDIT* My Geforce 256 SDR runs very well in my GA-5AX super 7 setup btw, with all these old k62's you just need the latest agp miniport to "let god sort em out" as ole Duke would say"
yeah the AGP of Super 7 chipsets has been improved incredibly compared to when they last were reviewed...
yeah the AGP of Super 7 chipsets has been improved incredibly compared to when they last were reviewed...
Actually, quite a while back, I saw a "This application requires a GenuineIntel Processor". The installation would then quit. It was an audio app of some sort ... at the time, the machine was a K6-2 350.
God ... I think I have one of the oldest AMD processor. A 386 40Mhz. Now that's cutting edge technology.
God ... I think I have one of the oldest AMD processor. A 386 40Mhz. Now that's cutting edge technology.
My system has crashed 2, maybe 3 times since january.
I don't have a regular reboot schedule...I have Win98SE and Linux on here so i do reboot 98 sometimes when I want to use Linux, but msot of the time 98 will stay running for a few days in a row before I switch to linux.
I use an Athlon with an AMD750 chipset.
Just make sure you get a quality motherboard, and a power supply that can handle the fairly power hungry athlon family and you'll be fine.
I know quite a few people running athlons and none of us have had anything untoward happen to us.
Most of us were fairly early adopters so are Asus K7M users, but we have a wide range of video cards, there's a G400, a couple voodoo3s, a GeForce (we have stepping 6 751 north's so the weak AGP strobe signal isn't a problem for GeForces)
I don't see much reason not to use an AMD chip at this point in time. For the same performance you pay alot less for AMD (yes the motherboards are a bit more expensive than intel's, the chip price difference more than makes up for it).
I don't have a regular reboot schedule...I have Win98SE and Linux on here so i do reboot 98 sometimes when I want to use Linux, but msot of the time 98 will stay running for a few days in a row before I switch to linux.
I use an Athlon with an AMD750 chipset.
Just make sure you get a quality motherboard, and a power supply that can handle the fairly power hungry athlon family and you'll be fine.
I know quite a few people running athlons and none of us have had anything untoward happen to us.
Most of us were fairly early adopters so are Asus K7M users, but we have a wide range of video cards, there's a G400, a couple voodoo3s, a GeForce (we have stepping 6 751 north's so the weak AGP strobe signal isn't a problem for GeForces)
I don't see much reason not to use an AMD chip at this point in time. For the same performance you pay alot less for AMD (yes the motherboards are a bit more expensive than intel's, the chip price difference more than makes up for it).
Soccerman,
<<there are SOME software compatability problems with Windows and the IDE drivers>>
Not really. If you read the FAQ's at VIA's site, they explain that Windows' native IDE drivers are faster and better implemented than their own. There's no down side at all to keeping the default VIA south bridge drivers included in OSR2 or higher. In fact, when you install the 4 in 1 service pack, it will leave out the Busmaster IDE drivers by default.
JellyBaby,
<<Here's a typical via/Win issue. . . The fix is simple (install the via usb filter driver).>>
When you are told to install a certain driver beforehand, it's not a fix, it's a driver. In other words, since VIA's driver page clearly states that the USB filter is necessary for maximum USB compatibility, the system builder is responsible for installing it. It takes all of 30 seconds, so the only excuse is ignorance.
Before I install any piece of computer hardware, I will check the driver disk for any useful utilities and then immediately crack it in half and throw it in the trash. With the Internet, there is no excuse not to visit a manufacturer's home page and look up the latest recommended drivers or patches. We are accustomed to doing this for video cards and modems, but I think part of the negative sentiment against VIA is that people still feel the motherboard should be exempt from drivers. They have not realized that there is no way for an operating system -- relatively stagnant -- to keep up with the blistering pace of the chipset/CPU industry. Drivers are a necessity for all modern hardware, and as soon as you can accept that, you can accept alternative chipsets.
<<All platform choices have issues.>>
Very true. At least us VIA users, or for me, SiS (they rock! 😉), did not have to suffer through Intel's fiasco with the i820. Given the choice, I'd rather download and install a simple driver than disassemble my system and ship pieces back in a recall!
Ornery,
<<I think zel was referring to VIA, not AMD.>>
Zel wrote exactly two sentences and neither of them mentioned VIA.
<<You sure are reading a LOT into a simple fuking question!>>
I've followed your posting history from way back. You've always blamed VIA for the problems you had with that FIC board, and you rarely miss the opportunity to rag on their chipsets and explain why Intel serves you better. You underlined VIA and implied that asking about their compatibility rating would open up a whole can of worms. Essentially, FUD.
<<. . . acting like a wanking mofo! Jesus Chr>>
Oh you mean flipping out and demonstrating a near nervous breakdown by accompanying childish insults with violent, intimidating use of the :| symbol? Yeah, I guess that would make some one a "wanking mofo" 😉
<<Get a GD grip will ya?>>
Good advice. . .
Modus
<<there are SOME software compatability problems with Windows and the IDE drivers>>
Not really. If you read the FAQ's at VIA's site, they explain that Windows' native IDE drivers are faster and better implemented than their own. There's no down side at all to keeping the default VIA south bridge drivers included in OSR2 or higher. In fact, when you install the 4 in 1 service pack, it will leave out the Busmaster IDE drivers by default.
JellyBaby,
<<Here's a typical via/Win issue. . . The fix is simple (install the via usb filter driver).>>
When you are told to install a certain driver beforehand, it's not a fix, it's a driver. In other words, since VIA's driver page clearly states that the USB filter is necessary for maximum USB compatibility, the system builder is responsible for installing it. It takes all of 30 seconds, so the only excuse is ignorance.
Before I install any piece of computer hardware, I will check the driver disk for any useful utilities and then immediately crack it in half and throw it in the trash. With the Internet, there is no excuse not to visit a manufacturer's home page and look up the latest recommended drivers or patches. We are accustomed to doing this for video cards and modems, but I think part of the negative sentiment against VIA is that people still feel the motherboard should be exempt from drivers. They have not realized that there is no way for an operating system -- relatively stagnant -- to keep up with the blistering pace of the chipset/CPU industry. Drivers are a necessity for all modern hardware, and as soon as you can accept that, you can accept alternative chipsets.
<<All platform choices have issues.>>
Very true. At least us VIA users, or for me, SiS (they rock! 😉), did not have to suffer through Intel's fiasco with the i820. Given the choice, I'd rather download and install a simple driver than disassemble my system and ship pieces back in a recall!
Ornery,
<<I think zel was referring to VIA, not AMD.>>
Zel wrote exactly two sentences and neither of them mentioned VIA.
<<You sure are reading a LOT into a simple fuking question!>>
I've followed your posting history from way back. You've always blamed VIA for the problems you had with that FIC board, and you rarely miss the opportunity to rag on their chipsets and explain why Intel serves you better. You underlined VIA and implied that asking about their compatibility rating would open up a whole can of worms. Essentially, FUD.
<<. . . acting like a wanking mofo! Jesus Chr>>
Oh you mean flipping out and demonstrating a near nervous breakdown by accompanying childish insults with violent, intimidating use of the :| symbol? Yeah, I guess that would make some one a "wanking mofo" 😉
<<Get a GD grip will ya?>>
Good advice. . .
Modus
Hmm...
I have a Stepping 6 751 Northbridgge, clock generator -110 K7 Pro, and when I put AGP 2x on, I still get frequent lockups. Does anyone care to explain to me how to fix it? I have the latest BIOS flashed, 1.6, I'm pretty stable in 1x when when I use a registry tweak to get AGP2x, games lock up. I'm playing UT and Counterstrike, using 6.18 Det3 drivers.
Anyone care to help on how to fix this?
I have a Stepping 6 751 Northbridgge, clock generator -110 K7 Pro, and when I put AGP 2x on, I still get frequent lockups. Does anyone care to explain to me how to fix it? I have the latest BIOS flashed, 1.6, I'm pretty stable in 1x when when I use a registry tweak to get AGP2x, games lock up. I'm playing UT and Counterstrike, using 6.18 Det3 drivers.
Anyone care to help on how to fix this?
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