are there different "classes" of asian?

Jul 10, 2007
12,041
3
0
was reading this thread and saw this:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=29590843&postcount=46

non ghetto asians (chinese/koreans/japs) when it comes to college acceptance. Also, the refugee/ghetto/south eastern asians like viets and cambodians are favored as well because of there are less of them, most likely because they come from lower socio economic backgrounds (duh, refugees, many of which who lost everything).

On a side note, ghetto asians are more likely to be in jail too, the asian population in jail is disgustingly vietnamese compared to how many of them there are compared to other asians (damn chinese, too many of them). damn ghetto ass mother fuckers.

is there an unspoken caste system amongst the asians where one ethnicity is generally considered superior than the other?
if so, how goes the ranking?
 

Meghan54

Lifer
Oct 18, 2009
11,684
5,228
136
Go to Korea and ask how they feel about the Japanese....and vice versa. Both feel their "race" is superior to the other.
 

Slew Foot

Lifer
Sep 22, 2005
12,379
96
86
Not so much classes but tiers(dunno, maybe its the same thing). Most people would put Vietnamese, Hmong, Burmese, Cambodian, Laotian, in the lower tier.
 

pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
15,142
10,040
136
This seems a very odd question to me.

"Asian" is a very big category, and I think its true to say its mainly one invented by the majority white population to label everyone who (in their not very insightful eyes) looked vaguely similar to each other.

Obviously there are many different cultures/languages and national origins that go under the blanket category 'Asian', and its pretty obvious that certain cultural/national-origin groups are economically different to others, on average (I think the Vietnamese and Cambodians are economically the worst-off, the full analysis is probably on wiki).

It seems really naive to imagine it would be otherwise. I mean, all 'Europeans' are not the same. And there are the same tensions and conflicts and rivalries between different "Asian" ethnicities as there are (or at least, as there used to be in earlier US history before everyone decided to become 'white') amongst different "Europeans".

And "caste system" is probably a bad choice of words. I think in the US its mostly just plain old class, mixed up with ethnicity as usual for the US.

Here in the UK when we say 'asians' we mean South Asians, and there's the exact same issue with the term lumping together different ethnicities with increasingly different economic positions.
 
Jul 10, 2007
12,041
3
0
Not so much classes but tiers(dunno, maybe its the same thing). Most people would put Vietnamese, Hmong, Burmese, Cambodian, Laotian, in the lower tier.

thank you.
any reasoning behind this?

so it's the big 3 (japan/china/korea) and then everyone else?
 

techs

Lifer
Sep 26, 2000
28,559
4
0
Yes. There is the class that does better than your kid on standardized tests. The class that does far better than your kid on standardized tests. The class that does so good on standardized tests your kid looks like a moron.
And the class that does so well on standardized tests they actually get into a good university.
 

Svnla

Lifer
Nov 10, 2003
17,986
1,388
126
OP, how about travel to Asia and visit a few countries and make observations so you can stop making stupid threads about Asians?

/thread
 

SKORPI0

Lifer
Jan 18, 2000
18,485
2,419
136
is there an unspoken caste system amongst the asians where one ethnicity is generally considered superior than the other?
if so, how goes the ranking?

Never took history lessons? :rolleyes: Here's what they have in India.

Caste%20System%20Diagram%2006.05.jpg
 

dighn

Lifer
Aug 12, 2001
22,820
4
81
This seems a very odd question to me.

"Asian" is a very big category, and I think its true to say its mainly one invented by the majority white population to label everyone who (in their not very insightful eyes) looked vaguely similar to each other.

Obviously there are many different cultures/languages and national origins that go under the blanket category 'Asian', and its pretty obvious that certain cultural/national-origin groups are economically different to others, on average (I think the Vietnamese and Cambodians are economically the worst-off, the full analysis is probably on wiki).

It seems really naive to imagine it would be otherwise. I mean, all 'Europeans' are not the same. And there are the same tensions and conflicts and rivalries between different "Asian" ethnicities as there are (or at least, as there used to be in earlier US history before everyone decided to become 'white') amongst different "Europeans".
...

this

"Asian", like the word "European", encompasses many groups.
 

Pliablemoose

Lifer
Oct 11, 1999
25,195
0
56
After living in CA for > a year, yes, Slew Foot has it about right, especially among the Japanese, and Koreans.

IMHO, the Chinese are in a whole different class, especially if you ask them...

And just to ensure Im not labeled a racist or classist, heres a tidbit from my family tree, my moms side of the family came over on the Mayflower, My family tree goes directly back to them...

Mayflower Passenger John Billington
Trouble-maker Hanged for Murdering His Plymouth Neighbor

The Billingtons, not members of the Plymouth religious community, were trouble from the start. John Billington was probably the first American executed for murder.

The pious pilgrims divided Plymouth settlers into two groups: “saints” (themselves) and “strangers” (crew and passengers not part of the separatist religious community). John and Ellen Billington and their sons were strangers.

Exploits of the Billington Sons
In December of 1620, while pilgrims still lived aboard the anchored Mayflower, a Billington son caused a fire.

“We, through God’s mercy, escaped a great danger by the foolishness of a boy, one of…Billington’s sons who…had got gunpowder and had shot off a piece or two,” says the Mourt’s Relation account describing how he shot off a fowling piece in his father’s cabin, setting it afire.

Francis Billington climbed atop a tree and reported seeing a great sea. It was a large pond and still bears the name “Billington Sea”.

In 1621, John Jr. wandered 20 miles and ended up in an Indian village. When friendly Indians furnished news of his whereabouts, a shallop with 10 men went to retrieve him. Indians handed him over, “behung with beads”.



A Noose Around John Billington’s Neck
“The first offence since our arrival is that of John Billington who came on board at London and convented before the whole company for his contempt of the captain’s lawful command…” reports Prince’s chronology. Translated: He sassed the captain with foul language. He was sentenced to have his neck and heels tied together. It was his first offense, he begged to be pardoned and was released.

In 1624, Billington joined a conspiracy against Plymouth Colony leadership. Bradford’s 1625 letter to Robert Cushman says: “Billington still rails against you, and threatens to arrest you, I know not wherefore; he is a knave, and so will live and die.”

In 1630, Billington shot off his blunderbuss (gun), killing John Newcomen, with whom he had quarreled. Under the direction of Gov. Winthrop and other leaders, he was arrested, arraigned, tried by jury, found guilty and became the first American hanged for committing murder.

“Writing of Billington, Gov. Bradford said: “He and some of his had been often punished for miscarriages before, being one of the profanest families among them."

Early Records Name Billingtons
Numerous references to the Billingtons appear in early Plymouth Colony records. They received property in the 1623 land division and livestock in the 1627 division of cattle. In 1636, the widow Billington was found guilty of slander, fined five pounds sterling, and put in the stocks and whipped as punishment.

John Billington Jr. died before his father without leaving children. Francis Billington moved to Middleboro in 1669 and died there in 1684 at age 80. He married Christian Penn Eaton, widow of pilgrim Francis Eaton. At least seven of his children lived to adulthood. In 1642, the court placed four of his children in other families and Francis bound one out as an apprentice.
 
Last edited:

Dumac

Diamond Member
Dec 31, 2005
9,391
1
0
Never took history lessons? :rolleyes: Here's what they have in India.

Caste%20System%20Diagram%2006.05.jpg

That isn't what he was talking about at all. He was talking about certain Asian countries being in a higher tier than other Asian countries. And by Asian, he probably meant South and East Asia.

The big 3 (China, Korea, Japan) are usually considered in the highest tier since their countries are the most developed economically, politically, and socially.

That said, Japan used to think they were the ultimate Asian being, and, to a certain extent, still do.

South Korea has all kinds of self-esteem issues stemming from Japanese, then American occupation, but they have developed quite nicely in the last 20 years.

China has communist pride in being the most successful communist nation.

All other countries in that area are probably third world and poor, and therefore considered dirty or lesser Asians. I'm Filipino, and have been called both a dirty Asian as well as a Mexican of Asia by numerous top tiers.
 
Jul 10, 2007
12,041
3
0
After living in CA for > a year, yes, Slew Foot has it about right, especially among the Japanese, and Koreans.

IMHO, the Chinese are in a whole different class, especially if you ask them...

And just to ensure Im not labeled a racist or classist, heres a tidbit from my family tree, my moms side of the family came over on the Mayflower, My family tree goes directly back to them...

so are you saying that within the chinese themselves, there's a separate class system (sort of like indian/hindu caste)?

i could see that happening, with over 1 billion chinese.

any chinese member care to comment?
 

gorcorps

aka Brandon
Jul 18, 2004
30,741
456
126
My old roommate from Nepal was very honest about how racist (correct term?) most true Asians are towards other Asian countries. Seems to me like there might not be an unspoken 'tier' system, or if there is the tier is different in each country depending on how they feel about everybody else.
 
Jul 10, 2007
12,041
3
0
OP, how about travel to Asia and visit a few countries and make observations so you can stop making stupid threads about Asians?

/thread

because it's easier and cheaper to post on ATOT than to travel the world.

and i make stupid threads on all different topics, not just asians.
:p
 

JS80

Lifer
Oct 24, 2005
26,271
7
81
Go to Korea and ask how they feel about the Japanese....and vice versa. Both feel their "race" is superior to the other.

Except only one is correct. The japs will never admit they are the product of ancient Korean emigrants and the island's aborigine.
 

Mani

Diamond Member
Aug 9, 2001
4,808
1
0
I've heard from a few Chinese/ Japanese that Koreans were considered to be at the bottom of the pile - largely stereotyped to be dumb uneducated farmers up until very recently. Even though they may now somewhat respect their socioeconomic progress, I think many of them still believe Koreans to be inferior.