Are there any n/a cars with an engine no bigger than 2.0L I4 with more than 240 hp?

b0mbrman

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I was just checking out the specs for a bunch of cars and came across the Honda S2000 and noticed that it's got a lot of HP for a pretty normal-sized engine...quick math and that's 120 hp/L :Q

Is there anything out there even close to that ratio?
 

SpongeBob

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Back when the Lotus Esprit was using a 4-banger it was close to that.

Edit: Oh yeah, but that wasn't naturally aspirated!
 

BornStar

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That car is number one when it comes to hp/L. I think second is a Ferrari and third is the M3 with 103hp/L.
 

b0mbrman

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<< That car is number one when it comes to hp/L. I think second is a Ferrari and third is the M3 with 103hp/L. >>


Ah...of course...the Modena :)
 

Viper GTS

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<< how about an rx7? ;)

oh wait not NA, my bad hehe
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There were naturally aspirated RX-7's.

160 HP out of 1.3 liters = 123 hp/L.

The turbo put out a healthy 200 HP/1.3L = 154 hp/L.

Viper GTS
 

Vette73

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To bad the S2000 SUCKS as a regular street car. I waxed one as the owner didn't seem to under stand, if you don't drop the clutch out at 8000rpm or higher the car go's no where slowly.

HP sounds good on paper, but without the big T you are going no where.
 

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<< Ah...of course...the Modena :) >>


Yeah, I was pretty sure that was the one, unfortunately I don't remember either the hp or the displacement. My memory hasn't been doing too well recently. It's pathetic.
 
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<< To bad the S2000 SUCKS as a regular street car. I waxed one as the owner didn't seem to under stand, if you don't drop the clutch out at 8000rpm or higher the car go's no where slowly.

HP sounds good on paper, but without the big T you are going no where.
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Would that be anything like double clutching and adding NAAS? :D
 

BCYL

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There is also the Integra Type-R... 200hp for 1.8L I-4... which is 111hp/L

EDIT: Oops... cant forget about the Civic Type-R... 185hp with a 1.6L I-4 engine... which is around 116hp/L
 

GooberPHX420

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Surely they're not N/A, but the trucks that do the pikes peak hill climb in colorado push over 1000hp, out of 4 banger toyota tacomas and such...
 

Ns1

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if any of you guys would drive an s2k you'd beg to differ ;)

very fun to drive
 

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it may not have ungodly amounts of torque, but any car that runs 13's stock is fast in my book
 

saftey

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JESUS CHRIST THE RSX HAS THAT LITTLE TORQUE i have never been a japanese car ethusiast i never consdered the econbox civic a care with potential neither the rsx or integras here in la the young asian kids destroy the looks but im in shock at the low torque output of the rsx i wouldnt be suprised if a 2000 accord v6 would rape it.
 

dawheat

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<<To bad the S2000 SUCKS as a regular street car. I waxed one as the owner didn't seem to under stand, if you don't drop the clutch out at 8000rpm or higher the car go's no where slowly.

HP sounds good on paper, but without the big T you are going no where. >>

Sigh, I love drivers who think racing is going in a straight line. Driving the S2000 at full tilt on a twisty mountain road or on the track is a joy. For a stock vehicle is has a excellent suspension, steering, brakes, and response. Keeping the revs up is a joy as you hear the engine shriek and the shifter snicks into gear like a rifle bolt.

Its a true drivers car.

And actually with its greater displacement and iVTEC, the RSX is far stronger down low than any Civic or Integra- Yes i know its not saying much but daily driving is effortless in an RSX-S. Its no tourque monster by any means- but plenty tractable around town and with 100hp/liter and a 6speed as good as the S2000, driving quickly is a blast.

Actually the V6 Accord (auto) is no where near the RSX-S, either in straight acceleration from a standstilll or in any gear, much less actual handling. The CL Type S with 260hp would be neck and neck (heavier +auto), and the S2000 and NSX of course would stomp it.
 

saftey

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THATS F***ING HILARIOUS U JUST PERFECTLY WORD TO WORD QUOTED WHAT THEY THE TEST DRIVER SAID ON A TOP GEAR VIDEO BAHAHA THAT SPATHETIC
 

dawheat

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Actually I didn't know Top Gear had a video about either car, save the RSX Type R. Since I own a RSX-S, have driven an S2000 at the track over a dozen times, I think I am more than qualified to comment on either car as well as Mustangs, BMWs and Porsches at the track. I assume you've driven all the cars you comment about? Or are you yet another magazine racer?
 

saftey

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lol magazine driver no actually ive driven a s2000 and thankfully never a pathetic rsx but the best car ive ever driven was a audi s4 theres nothing like 4 well drive and a biturbo v6 theres no replacment for displacement lol i dont care how efficent honda can build i4s
 

dawheat

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<lol magazine driver no actually ive driven a s2000 and thankfully never a pathetic rsx but the best car ive ever driven was a audi s4 theres nothing like 4 well drive and a biturbo v6 theres no replacment for displacement lol i dont care how efficent honda can build i4s >

On one hand you say you've never driven an RSX, but then you call it pathetic. Your opinion must be based on something I hope. If its not experience, then I'm guessing magazines and TV commercials. But then again, you're not a magainze driver. <shurgs>

The S4 is a great road car. However you claim that there's no replacement for displacement- I do hope you are aware that the S4 engine is a twin turbo 2.8L V6. If you're trying to make a case for raw displacement (which is certainly valid), a 2.8L V6 is hardly the engine to bring up. I know the point you're trying to make- but try to be intelligent about it.

I've driven an S4 on the track and it almost feels like cheating-so much power and so much traction out of turns. I once had it for a wet session at Thundehill- and it was beautiful, powering out of corners and absolutely dusting BMWs with the traction from the AWD. The two big downsides: its heavy- you feel it going into every turn as you're shifting the weight of the car and secondly- it understeers heavily in tight turns. Coming out of the off-ramp turn at Buttonwillow (the second to last turn at BW), which is a decreasing radius hairpin- the S4 resoultely plows through the turn which is a characteristic of pretty much any AWD car.

I don't mind getting into an intellignet and informed discussion with another driving enthusiast, so let's play nice and try to bring something productive to the table. In racing- a well tuned Honda gets plenty of respect. Dissing a car or platform without first hand experience is foolhardy.