Are there any monitors with HDCP support, or are any coming any time soon?

[DRavisher]

Lo all.
I was planning to buy a HP f2304 23" LCD screen untill I found out that the motion picture industry will require computer monitors to have HDCP support to play future HD content. This will be supportet in Vista (at least thats the rumour). For this I blame the motion picture industry, not M$. But that isn't what i'm here to do (whine, that is...)

I'm wondering if any monitors at all support HDCP, or if anyone knows of someone who will release such a monitor any time soon. I wouldn't think it would be too hard, considering that a lot of TVs are already HDCP compliant. I don't want to have to install some crack to play HD content on my new shiny $1000 widescreen HD res screen...

Thanks for any help.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

To my knowledge, no monitors support HDCP, yet. It will be required fairly soon, but I expect all new monitors to support it, when the bomb drops. Keep in mind, HD DVD's and stand-alone players are at least 1 year away from Western stores. HD-DVD and BluRay are already selling like hotcakes in The Land of the Rising Sun. There will be lots of additional DRM garbage attached to a PC/TV in the near future.

If you can't wait at least a year, you can still buy with confidence. The DRM will most likely force a low-rez picture, but all is not lost 😉

 

[Ronin]

I'm already planning on selling my 2405's before the release of Vista (and before the price probably drops on them), and getting whatever happens to be along the same line to replace.

 

[Arcanedeath]

Many TV/LCD monitors do support DVI / HDCP, I know the 27" LCD TV my father recently purchase from Syntax / Olevia does support HDCP over the DVI port. and it works fine w/ his 6600GT's dvi out and our samsung HD tuners dvi out aswell.

 

[DRavisher]

This just sucks so much! My only consolation is that it will probably be a while before HD-DVD or Blu-Ray actually start appearing over here (Norway). We may be "the richest country in the world", but we sure like to lag behind on some things. And I think I will actually be pirating anything with HDCP support anyway. No way am I going to let them get away with forcing me to upgrade expensive hardware. It's just so god damn stupid...

 

[valkator]

man some of you people seem to be pretty rattled about this. I personally dont care about hd-dvd. ggeezz. You will still be able to use longhorn just wont be able to display hd-dvd. OMG it is the end of the world >_>. DVD quality is fine enough unless you are really that spoiled.

 

[Topweasel]

No I just hate this damn DRM crap. I just got a set top DVD player that supports up convert to 1080i or 720p. If I use Component cable for colorstream I can still up-convert but only on non-copywrited material. This is utter Crap rather then replace my TV (65 inch 3-4 years old) I have to buy $5 DL DVDs and DVD shrink each of the movies I would like to watch at 720p. I can understand Activation but since when was it right to only give a certain feature only to Pirates. Why Should I even buy another movie till HD-DVD comes out if I can't use a feature that my DVD player supports on letting me watch HD now. If HD or BR requires my expensive and hard to move TV to be replaced to use then i just simply won't be making those purchases till my TV dies.

 

[Cerb]

Am I the only person who's thinking about getting a DVI monitor before they all become HDCP, because of this?

 

[DRavisher]

Originally posted by: Cerb
Am I the only person who's thinking about getting a DVI monitor before they all become HDCP, because of this?

HDCP is the encryption and can be supported over DVI as well as HDMI (the new connector with audio and picture), so getting a DVI monitor with HDCP support is in all regards better than a DVI monitor without HDCP...

Originally posted by: valkator
man some of you people seem to be pretty rattled about this. I personally dont care about hd-dvd. ggeezz. You will still be able to use longhorn just wont be able to display hd-dvd. OMG it is the end of the world >_>. DVD quality is fine enough unless you are really that spoiled.

When you buy a screen with 1920x1200 res (which can actually display 1080p signals natively) you would like that ability... With that kind of res you could sitt really close to the screen, giving the same relative size of the picture as the average cinema can give you. I kind of think that would be nice...

I would personaly just go for buying one of those HDCP -> clean DVI boxes, but they seem to be rather pricey...

 

[mwmorph]

What happens to us with HDTVs that were bought say moree than a year ago. I haev the same problem 1080i Panasonic 53" Rear projection with component in only. What happens to us?

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: DRavisher

Originally posted by: Cerb
Am I the only person who's thinking about getting a DVI monitor before they all become HDCP, because of this?

HDCP is the encryption and can be supported over DVI as well as HDMI (the new connector with audio and picture), so getting a DVI monitor with HDCP support is in all regards better than a DVI monitor without HDCP...

How is it in all ways better? DRM used against consumers that are not attempting to do anything legally or moraly wrong, is not better. It's worse. I was assuming HDCP == HDMI, yet it can be used over DVI? Best to get a standard DVI monitor soon, then.

 

[DRavisher]

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: DRavisher

Originally posted by: Cerb
Am I the only person who's thinking about getting a DVI monitor before they all become HDCP, because of this?

HDCP is the encryption and can be supported over DVI as well as HDMI (the new connector with audio and picture), so getting a DVI monitor with HDCP support is in all regards better than a DVI monitor without HDCP...

How is it in all ways better? DRM used against consumers that are not attempting to do anything legally or moraly wrong, is not better. It's worse. I was assuming HDCP == HDMI, yet it can be used over DVI? Best to get a standard DVI monitor soon, then.

I don't see how this hurts you? You will be able to do exactly what you do on a regular DVI monitor, but you will be allowed to watch HD HDCP content without cracking it first. Sure I don't like giving my money to some HDCP license, but I would if I could, since I would be set for HD-DVD...

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: Cerb
Am I the only person who's thinking about getting a DVI monitor before they all become HDCP, because of this?

I am, all DRM type tatics can suck on my left you know what. All this is about is forcing change. What value does not letting me up convert on Component on copyrighted (encrypted ) movies do? Nothing its easy to work around by removing the encryption, is their a way to make sure I don't have an illegal DVD if i am hooked up through HDMI? No, Its all absolutely Pointless the only Value to DRM on upconverting is to say "You have to use HDMI because we decided to make you".

Maybe I am miss understanding this but most of the uses of DRM seem to be more of a "because we can" then anything else. In my senario it not only doesn't stop copyright infringement but actually is forcing me into a situation where i feel comppelled to do so.

 

[DRavisher]

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: Cerb
Am I the only person who's thinking about getting a DVI monitor before they all become HDCP, because of this?

I am, all DRM type tatics can suck on my left you know what. All this is about is forcing change. What value does not letting me up convert on Component on copyrighted (encrypted ) movies do? Nothing its easy to work around by removing the encryption, is their a way to make sure I don't have an illegal DVD if i am hooked up through HDMI? No, Its all absolutely Pointless the only Value to DRM on upconverting is to say "You have to use HDMI because we decided to make you".

Maybe I am miss understanding this but most of the uses of DRM seem to be more of a "because we can" then anything else. In my senario it not only doesn't stop copyright infringement but actually is forcing me into a situation where i feel comppelled to do so.

Totally agree with that last statement. I don't really have that much against encrypting the videostreem. What do I care? But when they do it like this, leaving lots and lots of consumers screwed, it really sucks. Had they started introducing HDCP now, and made it mandatory in like 10 years it wouldn't be a big deal to me...

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: DRavisher

Originally posted by: Cerb
Am I the only person who's thinking about getting a DVI monitor before they all become HDCP, because of this?

HDCP is the encryption and can be supported over DVI as well as HDMI (the new connector with audio and picture), so getting a DVI monitor with HDCP support is in all regards better than a DVI monitor without HDCP...

How is it in all ways better? DRM used against consumers that are not attempting to do anything legally or moraly wrong, is not better. It's worse. I was assuming HDCP == HDMI, yet it can be used over DVI? Best to get a standard DVI monitor soon, then.

HDCP is the Type of DRM that HDMI uses. That part that bugs me is they might not have to tell us which DVI monitors has HDCP or any other DRM in it. I agree to this Unless I don't fully understand it I don't see where the value is in companies using it unless this is just to get you to buy the new stuff then once everything thing is complete they throw a huge monkey wrench at us.

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: DRavisher

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: Cerb
Am I the only person who's thinking about getting a DVI monitor before they all become HDCP, because of this?

I am, all DRM type tatics can suck on my left you know what. All this is about is forcing change. What value does not letting me up convert on Component on copyrighted (encrypted ) movies do? Nothing its easy to work around by removing the encryption, is their a way to make sure I don't have an illegal DVD if i am hooked up through HDMI? No, Its all absolutely Pointless the only Value to DRM on upconverting is to say "You have to use HDMI because we decided to make you".

Maybe I am miss understanding this but most of the uses of DRM seem to be more of a "because we can" then anything else. In my senario it not only doesn't stop copyright infringement but actually is forcing me into a situation where i feel comppelled to do so.

Totally agree with that last statement. I don't really have that much against encrypting the videostreem. What do I care? But when they do it like this, leaving lots and lots of consumers screwed, it really sucks. Had they started introducing HDCP now, and made it mandatory in like 10 years it wouldn't be a big deal to me...

I don't even know if it a real encryption of the Video stream or not. The way The Box and the manuall repersents it it seams like a check box on off usage.

Even if it is, What is the Use only 1% of Copy right infringment is done by the Feed from the a DVD player.

 

[DRavisher]

Originally posted by: Topweasel
I don't even know if it a real encryption of the Video stream or not. The way The Box and the manuall repersents it it seams like a check box on off usage.

Even if it is, What is the Use only 1% of Copy right infringment is done by the Feed from the a DVD player.

Yep. It seems pretty useless as a means to stop pirating. I could understand it if they saw a danger in the future that their software DRM would get so strong that it would be neccessary to copy the videostream like this (not very likely in the next millennium 😛), but if that were the case then why rush it like this? As I said, make it mandatory in 10 years +++ and it wouldn't bother the average consumer at all. The way they are doing it now lots of current HDTV owners are going to feel this... (And us poor computerusers...)

I think i've decided to go ahead and buy the HP f2304. I want it now!

 

[imported_Sasha]

Isn't a monitor nothing but a tunerless display? You can get 37" 1080P (1920x1080) LCD monitors with HDCP-enabled features (Westinghouse has one and is carried by Bad Buy).

 

[AndrewZorn]

what MS is pulling is total crap. i hate MS, DRM, and Macrovision. everything they do makes it difficult just to use things I ALREADY OWN. upconverting DVDs and getting them to play on a secondary monitor is a bitch.

now this vista/monitor crap.

i am just banking on someone to crack it. i REFUSE to buy a new monitor solely for a new operating system.

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: DRavisher

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: Cerb
Am I the only person who's thinking about getting a DVI monitor before they all become HDCP, because of this?

I am, all DRM type tatics can suck on my left you know what. All this is about is forcing change. What value does not letting me up convert on Component on copyrighted (encrypted ) movies do? Nothing its easy to work around by removing the encryption, is their a way to make sure I don't have an illegal DVD if i am hooked up through HDMI? No, Its all absolutely Pointless the only Value to DRM on upconverting is to say "You have to use HDMI because we decided to make you".

Maybe I am miss understanding this but most of the uses of DRM seem to be more of a "because we can" then anything else. In my senario it not only doesn't stop copyright infringement but actually is forcing me into a situation where i feel comppelled to do so.

Totally agree with that last statement. I don't really have that much against encrypting the videostreem. What do I care? But when they do it like this, leaving lots and lots of consumers screwed, it really sucks. Had they started introducing HDCP now, and made it mandatory in like 10 years it wouldn't be a big deal to me...

I don't even know if it a real encryption of the Video stream or not. The way The Box and the manuall repersents it it seams like a check box on off usage.

Even if it is, What is the Use only 1% of Copy right infringment is done by the Feed from the a DVD player.

If I buy a disc, and play it on my equipment, no copyright infringement occurs. Buy buying the disc, I paid for a license for myself to use its content in any way that would not involve distributing it to others, AKA fair use.

Encryption on a video cable has no uses other than to make me pay more, and take more time effort, to exercise those implicit rights; or to offer a choice not to use any of the technology involved.

 

[AndrewZorn]

exactly... if i bought the DVD, i am legally allowed to:
upconvert it
play it on as many monitors as i want
convert it to different signals
etc
...they prevent that. WHY? more adapters, converters, displays, software, etc. its a systematic ripoff.

 

[DRavisher]

Originally posted by: AndrewZorn
what MS is pulling is total crap. i hate MS, DRM, and Macrovision. everything they do makes it difficult just to use things I ALREADY OWN. upconverting DVDs and getting them to play on a secondary monitor is a bitch.

now this vista/monitor crap.

i am just banking on someone to crack it. i REFUSE to buy a new monitor solely for a new operating system.

I don't think it looks like M$ is the right Vole to blame here. They seem to be doing what the motion picture industry wants. Had M$ not offered this they may not have gotten any official HD-DVD support at all. I am guessing that Mac OS X will need something like this to play HD content as well. The motion picture industry doesn't want ANYONE to play their HD stuff without HDCP.

 

[AndrewZorn]

MS has a monopoly. believe me, if they didnt want to do it, all would be well. do you honestly think the company that runs well over 90% of the computers in the world can be swayed by a greedy film standard? all they have to do is say no. then the movie guys will have to think up something more reasonable.

youd think a man that has more money than some countries would be nice.

 

[DRavisher]

I don't think M$ could have influenced this all that much. The can't make a product that breaks the copy protection of the motion picture industry (illegal in some countries), and the motion picture industry doesn't make much money catering to computer users, so had M$ just dropped this I think Vista would have no support for this at all, an we would have been stuck either with downscaled pictures or nothing at all.

 

[JonnyBlaze]

crack it and forget about it.