are there any car lemon laws againts privately purchased cars?

DarkManX

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I bought a car yesterday from the newspaper, which is fairly new and has low miles, theres a few problems with it, I found the car lemon laws all deal with new cars purchased from dealers. I live in Pennsylvania.
 

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New only. Sorry. If you signed a purchase agreement stating "AS IS" then you are hosed.
 

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I think there's a possibility that the seller has a legal responsibility to tell you about any known defects.
 

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What kind of problems are ypou speaking of??? Like if it is maintaince type things then you are juts going to have to eat it. But if its like the car was underwater and they didn't tell then maybe.

But did you not run a car fax on it and/or have a mechanic check it out???
 

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What kind of "problems" does it have that you didn't notice before hand and was it sold cheaply. Doesn't really matter because AS-IS means just that.
 

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Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
I think there's a possibility that the seller has a legal responsibility to tell you about any known defects.

He may have an ethical/moral obligation to disclose any problems but no legal obligation if the buyer neglected to have the vehicle properly respected and signed a sale contract stating the vehicle is sold "AS IS".
 

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depends on the state, in my state, if you sell your car "as in," the seller is still responsible for 30days for any that could go wrong with the car.
 

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ALL cars need maintenance and upkeep, even new ones. I always expect to put parts into a used car, of course! The trick is to buy a well designed car, that hasn't been driven by a stupid punk. The lower the miles, the better. With a used car, this should be obvious. Lemon law doesn't apply.

Massachusetts... figures!
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Originally posted by: richardycc
depends on the state, in my state, if you sell your car "as in," the seller is still responsible for 30days for any that could go wrong with the car.

Remind me NEVER to sell a car in Massachusetts.
 

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If you bought a car privately, you have no recourse other than through your attorney or small-claims court. If you felt mis lead in the sale and have the documentation to prove it, you may get the judge to side in your favor.

The lemon law does not apply to used cars or leased cars.

If you bought a used car at a dealer, some states have buyer's remorse laws. This will give you 3 days to rescind. However this does not cover private deals.

SOL, and sorry. When you buy a used car, you could be buying somebody else's problem. Rule of thumb.
Contant your local Attorney General's Office for futhor information if your state has any buyer's rights laws that can help.
 

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Originally posted by: vi_edit
Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
I think there's a possibility that the seller has a legal responsibility to tell you about any known defects.

He may have an ethical/moral obligation to disclose any problems but no legal obligation if the buyer neglected to have the vehicle properly respected and signed a sale contract stating the vehicle is sold "AS IS".

I don't think you are right. For example if a seller knows that a car's transmission doesn't work right, he is legally required to tell the buyer. As a practical matter it might be hard to prove the seller knew, but that doesn't mean the legal principal doesn't exist.

"As is" isn't legal cover for fraudulent sales practices.

 

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Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
Originally posted by: vi_edit
Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
I think there's a possibility that the seller has a legal responsibility to tell you about any known defects.

He may have an ethical/moral obligation to disclose any problems but no legal obligation if the buyer neglected to have the vehicle properly respected and signed a sale contract stating the vehicle is sold "AS IS".

I don't think you are right. For example if a seller knows that a car's transmission doesn't work right, he is legally required to tell the buyer. As a practical matter it might be hard to prove the seller knew, but that doesn't mean the legal principal doesn't exist.

"As is" isn't legal cover for fraudulent sales practices.


That's right, but he needs proof in court or its going to be his word vs the sellers word.

Judge Judy anyone?

 

DarkManX

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i talked to the seller and he promised to take care of it. so we'll see. the problem is the car started leaking anti-freeze pretty bad, the car is a 99 Grand AM SE 3.4 with 31k miles, the engine looks good, it wasnt washed like it usually is when u look at cars at the dealer, it just sat in the garage for a while, i put about 25-30 miles on it and it started leaking pretty bad.
 

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Originally posted by: vi_edit
Originally posted by: richardycc
depends on the state, in my state, if you sell your car "as in," the seller is still responsible for 30days for any that could go wrong with the car.

Remind me NEVER to sell a car in Massachusetts.
Agreed. That's ridiculous for me to have to give a '30 day warranty' to some kid who just bought my used car.

Parrotsketch AFAIK in Alabama at least a seller doesn't even have to tell a buyer of a HOUSE about any known problems unelss they are specifically asked, so I can't imagine car sellers have to give any extra information. The reason is it's difficult to identify what the seller should have known and what is a new problem or he could reasonably deny having known before he sold it.

talked to the seller and he promised to take care of it. so we'll see. the problem is the car started leaking anti-freeze pretty bad, the car is a 99 Grand AM SE 3.4 with 31k miles, the engine looks good, it wasnt washed like it usually is when u look at cars at the dealer, it just sat in the garage for a while, i put about 25-30 miles on it and it started leaking pretty bad.
That's only one problem and easily fixed :)
 

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Actually, I never had sold a car in Massachusetts excepts to my friends.

Massachusetts sucks for selling vehicles.
 

DarkManX

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its easy to fix its just the hose, but most new GM's that use the new "dex-cool" anti-free have leaking gaskets as early as 10k miles. its about 400-600$ in work.
 

cheezewoman

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carfax.com


saved me from buying a 2002 honda EX fully loaded with leather seats and vtech engine, sunroof/moonroof for $13,900 with only 7,000miles on it.


the owner kept giving me the runaround when i asked bout its title..turns out www.carfax.com gave me the answer: SAlvage title.