Are there any asian NFL players??

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: fyleow

Originally posted by: Millennium
What I want to know is if there is any white people that play for China's National Soccer team.

% of asians in america > % of whites in china

I am sure it is but the idea is that football is a game that requires size over pretty much anything. Typically, Asians are much smaller than the average White or Black male. It isn't anything major though it is just how it is. Plus, Asians are just now starting to be a factor in the major sports in the US. They only comprise 3.6% of the population and are not yet entrenched in the society here. Sure, they have been here a while, but their numbers have just now started increasing to a good rate.

bs, ONLY lineman have the prerequisite of SIZE over anything else.

there is no such requirement for kickers, WR, CB, Safeties, RB.

John Lee was kicker out of UCLA i believe, he played like 1 game in the NFL.

he wasn't very good.

Obviously you don't know what you are talking about. WRs need to be tall but there are some that get away with being short but they have incredible speed and jumping abilities. RBs can get away with being slightly small but have to have brute physical strength and agility. Kickers I will give you... but other than that I can't say I agree. CBs and Safeties are typically 5' 10 or taller...

QBs have to be tall and big as do TEs and other positions. You can't sit here and say that size isn't a prerequisite; especially at the NFL level.

hehehehe, you made a ridiculous statement and now you continue to try and back it up.

in Football, it's NOT SIZE over everything else, if there was ONE single attribute more important than any other in the NFL it would be SPEED. A short fast guy will get a place in the NFL easier than a TALL slow guy.

That isn't true. There are very few positions in which someone who is small can suceed at. For some odd reason you are considering 5'10 to be small, but it truly isn't! Look at the average heights and weights in the NFL. The average height is easily over 6 foot and average weight is easily over 200lbs.

Where did i state a SIZE anywhere in ANY of my quotes? FOR some reason you think a 6'+ Ft Asian is Unusual.

Out of the 30 or so Asians I know locally, the only one over 6ft is my cousin.

hehehe, the average male caucasion is 5'10".

i'm not talking about people you know. (talk about small sample size). i'm talking about ASIANS that pursue Professional Athletics, DUHHHHH.

 

[Saulbadguy]

Originally posted by: oldirtythao
THere's also Kailee Wong and Scott Fujita, but they're not full Asian, i believe they are part Black, and Dat is known, but not well known he is a good Linebacker.

Scott Fujita is %100 white..but he was adopted by Japanese people in California.

 

[Feldenak]

Why does it fvcking matter if there are any Asian NFL players?

Not everyone gives a damn what part of the world someone's ancestors came from.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: KnightBreed

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
hehehehe, you made a ridiculous statement and now you continue to try and back it up.

in Football, it's NOT SIZE over everything else, if there was ONE single attribute more important than any other in the NFL it would be SPEED. A short fast guy will get a place in the NFL easier than a TALL slow guy.

Why don't you actually look at some rosters for some NFL teams before staying something stupid? Why would a coach draft some 5' 8" speed demon, where he can draft somebody 4 or 5" taller and 50 lbs heavier and can run just as fast as he can.

The Cleveland Browns roster. The average height is over 6 feet and well over 200 lbs. The Browns have 3 quarterbacks and they are all over 6'2". Their starting wide receiver lineup is at minimum 5'11" and over 190 lbs.

Even their punter Chris Gardocki is 6' 1" and weighs 200 lbs. Their field goal kicker, Phil Dawson , is 5' 11", 195 lbs.

pay attention.

i never said smaller than 5'10".

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Millennium


Where did i state a SIZE anywhere in ANY of my quotes? FOR some reason you think a 6'+ Ft Asian is Unusual.

A 6 foot Asian IS unusual. Not unheard of, but most certainly not the norm.

How many 6 foot+ Asian guys do you see walking around, versus 6+foot white or black guys? That's right, FAR fewer, as a percentage of the total population of Asians.
Now how many 6+foot blacks and whites have absolutely no pro-style talent? Answer: Nearly all of them.
So of the few 6+foot Asians there are, there will be even fewer that are pro-caliber athletes.

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: KnightBreed

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
hehehehe, you made a ridiculous statement and now you continue to try and back it up.

in Football, it's NOT SIZE over everything else, if there was ONE single attribute more important than any other in the NFL it would be SPEED. A short fast guy will get a place in the NFL easier than a TALL slow guy.

Why don't you actually look at some rosters for some NFL teams before staying something stupid? Why would a coach draft some 5' 8" speed demon, where he can draft somebody 4 or 5" taller and 50 lbs heavier and can run just as fast as he can.

The Cleveland Browns roster. The average height is over 6 feet and well over 200 lbs. The Browns have 3 quarterbacks and they are all over 6'2". Their starting wide receiver lineup is at minimum 5'11" and over 190 lbs.

Even their punter Chris Gardocki is 6' 1" and weighs 200 lbs. Their field goal kicker, Phil Dawson , is 5' 11", 195 lbs.

pay attention.

i never said smaller than 5'10".

What do you consider short then? Where would you draw the line for a "small" person?

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: KnightBreed

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: KnightBreed

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
hehehehe, you made a ridiculous statement and now you continue to try and back it up.

in Football, it's NOT SIZE over everything else, if there was ONE single attribute more important than any other in the NFL it would be SPEED. A short fast guy will get a place in the NFL easier than a TALL slow guy.

Why don't you actually look at some rosters for some NFL teams before staying something stupid? Why would a coach draft some 5' 8" speed demon, where he can draft somebody 4 or 5" taller and 50 lbs heavier and can run just as fast as he can.

The Cleveland Browns roster. The average height is over 6 feet and well over 200 lbs. The Browns have 3 quarterbacks and they are all over 6'2". Their starting wide receiver lineup is at minimum 5'11" and over 190 lbs.

Even their punter Chris Gardocki is 6' 1" and weighs 200 lbs. Their field goal kicker, Phil Dawson , is 5' 11", 195 lbs.

pay attention.

i never said smaller than 5'10".

What do you consider short then? Where would you draw the line for a "small" person?

Shorter than 5'9" is what I consider small or short.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: KnightBreed

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: KnightBreed

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
hehehehe, you made a ridiculous statement and now you continue to try and back it up.

in Football, it's NOT SIZE over everything else, if there was ONE single attribute more important than any other in the NFL it would be SPEED. A short fast guy will get a place in the NFL easier than a TALL slow guy.

Why don't you actually look at some rosters for some NFL teams before staying something stupid? Why would a coach draft some 5' 8" speed demon, where he can draft somebody 4 or 5" taller and 50 lbs heavier and can run just as fast as he can.

The Cleveland Browns roster. The average height is over 6 feet and well over 200 lbs. The Browns have 3 quarterbacks and they are all over 6'2". Their starting wide receiver lineup is at minimum 5'11" and over 190 lbs.

Even their punter Chris Gardocki is 6' 1" and weighs 200 lbs. Their field goal kicker, Phil Dawson , is 5' 11", 195 lbs.

pay attention.

i never said smaller than 5'10".

What do you consider short then? Where would you draw the line for a "small" person?

I don't. Millenium made the RIDICULOUS statement that SIZE is the primary trait sought for in football. that is SIMPLY not true. NFL athletes are INCREDIBLY athletic, which includes SIZE, Speed and agility.

Different positions emphasis different traits. Offensive lineman will emphasis SIZE more than Speed or agility. Defensive lineman, Size but Speed and agility are probably more important than with Offensive lineman. Running back, WR, CB, Safety, Size is the LEAST important of those three attributes.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: fyleow

Originally posted by: Millennium
What I want to know is if there is any white people that play for China's National Soccer team.

% of asians in america > % of whites in china

I am sure it is but the idea is that football is a game that requires size over pretty much anything. Typically, Asians are much smaller than the average White or Black male. It isn't anything major though it is just how it is. Plus, Asians are just now starting to be a factor in the major sports in the US. They only comprise 3.6% of the population and are not yet entrenched in the society here. Sure, they have been here a while, but their numbers have just now started increasing to a good rate.

bs, ONLY lineman have the prerequisite of SIZE over anything else.

there is no such requirement for kickers, WR, CB, Safeties, RB.

John Lee was kicker out of UCLA i believe, he played like 1 game in the NFL.

he wasn't very good.

Are you stupid? Everyone on defense needs to be able to tackle. That rules out CB/safeties. RB's need POWER, Emmitt Smith was widely consider too small to play RB in the NFL, at 190 pounds. WR's need HEIGHT to catch over the DB's...practically no one in the NFL is under 5'8", and all of those players have some size to them anyway.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Out of the 30 or so Asians I know locally, the only one over 6ft is my cousin.

hehehe, the average male caucasion is 5'10".

i'm not talking about people you know. (talk about small sample size). i'm talking about ASIANS that pursue Professional Athletics, DUHHHHH.[/quote]

Who gives a fvck about that? The average white or black male that pursues athletics is taller and stronger than the average white or black male that DOESN'T fvcking play sports.

Your premise is purely invalid. What people asked is why there are less Asian NFL players. The answer is that Asians comprise 3.6% of the US population and are TYPICALLY smaller than their counterparts. It isn't some racist drivel or even a scare tactic. The fact is that is the truth! There is nothing wrong with it however! You are being defensive for some odd reason...

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: KnightBreed

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: KnightBreed

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
hehehehe, you made a ridiculous statement and now you continue to try and back it up.

in Football, it's NOT SIZE over everything else, if there was ONE single attribute more important than any other in the NFL it would be SPEED. A short fast guy will get a place in the NFL easier than a TALL slow guy.

Why don't you actually look at some rosters for some NFL teams before staying something stupid? Why would a coach draft some 5' 8" speed demon, where he can draft somebody 4 or 5" taller and 50 lbs heavier and can run just as fast as he can.

The Cleveland Browns roster. The average height is over 6 feet and well over 200 lbs. The Browns have 3 quarterbacks and they are all over 6'2". Their starting wide receiver lineup is at minimum 5'11" and over 190 lbs.

Even their punter Chris Gardocki is 6' 1" and weighs 200 lbs. Their field goal kicker, Phil Dawson , is 5' 11", 195 lbs.

pay attention.

i never said smaller than 5'10".

What do you consider short then? Where would you draw the line for a "small" person?

I don't. Millenium made the RIDICULOUS statement that SIZE is the primary trait sought for in football. that is SIMPLY not true. NFL athletes are INCREDIBLY athletic, which includes SIZE, Speed and agility.

Different positions emphasis different traits. Offensive lineman will emphasis SIZE more than Speed or agility. Defensive lineman, Size but Speed and agility are probably more important than with Offensive lineman. Running back, WR, CB, Safety, Size is the LEAST important of those three attributes.

You've got to be kidding me. If an NFL team could equip their defense with 6'4" corners and safeties that could also run 4.2 40's, there would be ZERO smaller fast guys in the NFL. ZERO.
A good big man is better than a good small man every single time. Same thing for receivers. If there were plenty of Keyshawns and Randy Moss's out there, every NFL team would have tall, fast 6'4" or so receivers and the 6'2" guys would be in the CFL.
If they could find a Michael Vick that had the same ability and was also 6'4" or taller, the real Michael Vick would not be on a roster.
Size is everything to the NFL. How many guys do you see that get passed over that may be fast as lightning but are a bit shorter than normal? Plenty. The taller, maybe a step slower guys will get picked first every time.

 

[Spoooon]

Barry Sanders was 5'8.
Walter Payton was 5'10.

Dante Hall of the Kansas City Chiefs is only 5'8. And he's a wide receiver.

I think ideally you would want big, athletic, quick men for every position. But it just depends on the position.

Overall, it's probably safe to say that bigger and reasonably fast will beat small and quick.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: KnightBreed

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: KnightBreed

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
hehehehe, you made a ridiculous statement and now you continue to try and back it up.

in Football, it's NOT SIZE over everything else, if there was ONE single attribute more important than any other in the NFL it would be SPEED. A short fast guy will get a place in the NFL easier than a TALL slow guy.

Why don't you actually look at some rosters for some NFL teams before staying something stupid? Why would a coach draft some 5' 8" speed demon, where he can draft somebody 4 or 5" taller and 50 lbs heavier and can run just as fast as he can.

The Cleveland Browns roster. The average height is over 6 feet and well over 200 lbs. The Browns have 3 quarterbacks and they are all over 6'2". Their starting wide receiver lineup is at minimum 5'11" and over 190 lbs.

Even their punter Chris Gardocki is 6' 1" and weighs 200 lbs. Their field goal kicker, Phil Dawson , is 5' 11", 195 lbs.

pay attention.

i never said smaller than 5'10".

What do you consider short then? Where would you draw the line for a "small" person?

I don't. Millenium made the RIDICULOUS statement that SIZE is the primary trait sought for in football. that is SIMPLY not true. NFL athletes are INCREDIBLY athletic, which includes SIZE, Speed and agility.

Different positions emphasis different traits. Offensive lineman will emphasis SIZE more than Speed or agility. Defensive lineman, Size but Speed and agility are probably more important than with Offensive lineman. Running back, WR, CB, Safety, Size is the LEAST important of those three attributes.

Someone who is 5'3 and incredibly athletic will not play in the NFL moron. Size is the first qualifier then agility and speed. They have to have them all, but without SIZE they are not going to play! Get that through your thick skull!

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: KnightBreed

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: KnightBreed

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
hehehehe, you made a ridiculous statement and now you continue to try and back it up.

in Football, it's NOT SIZE over everything else, if there was ONE single attribute more important than any other in the NFL it would be SPEED. A short fast guy will get a place in the NFL easier than a TALL slow guy.

Why don't you actually look at some rosters for some NFL teams before staying something stupid? Why would a coach draft some 5' 8" speed demon, where he can draft somebody 4 or 5" taller and 50 lbs heavier and can run just as fast as he can.

The Cleveland Browns roster. The average height is over 6 feet and well over 200 lbs. The Browns have 3 quarterbacks and they are all over 6'2". Their starting wide receiver lineup is at minimum 5'11" and over 190 lbs.

Even their punter Chris Gardocki is 6' 1" and weighs 200 lbs. Their field goal kicker, Phil Dawson , is 5' 11", 195 lbs.

pay attention.

i never said smaller than 5'10".

What do you consider short then? Where would you draw the line for a "small" person?

I don't. Millenium made the RIDICULOUS statement that SIZE is the primary trait sought for in football. that is SIMPLY not true. NFL athletes are INCREDIBLY athletic, which includes SIZE, Speed and agility.

Different positions emphasis different traits. Offensive lineman will emphasis SIZE more than Speed or agility. Defensive lineman, Size but Speed and agility are probably more important than with Offensive lineman. Running back, WR, CB, Safety, Size is the LEAST important of those three attributes.

Ok, do you even watch football? And if you do, are you paying attention?

Size is THE most important trait. Occasionally you will hear about someone overcoming their size difference with speed, agility, etc... but it's not the norm. Defensive linemen do need to be quick but if they give up too much in the size departement to an OL, they will usually be worn down by game's end. Defensive backfield needs height to have a chance to out jump/muscle WRs for the ball, not to mention bringing down RBs, taking on OL blocking, etc...

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
I don't. Millenium made the RIDICULOUS statement that SIZE is the primary trait sought for in football. that is SIMPLY not true. NFL athletes are INCREDIBLY athletic, which includes SIZE, Speed and agility.

Different positions emphasis different traits. Offensive lineman will emphasis SIZE more than Speed or agility. Defensive lineman, Size but Speed and agility are probably more important than with Offensive lineman. Running back, WR, CB, Safety, Size is the LEAST important of those three attributes.

My point was: in the NFL you can have your cake and eat it, too. Even positions where size is the "LEAST important of those three attributes" the players are still reasonably big and strong.

Keep in mind, size is both height and weight. Some running backs may be short, but they are still "big."

 

[Spoooon]

I think some people in this thread need to take a step back and calm down.

 

[CanOWorms]

Obviously none of you have heard of John Lauren, the "vertically-challenged" 3 foot 8 inches, 80 pounds pro football player in the 60s. He was like the Seabiscuit of the mid 20th century.

 

[Shlong]

Asian males make up what 2.5% of the population? Out of that 2.5 how many are forced to concentrate on studies & discouraged from playing sports? Most I think.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Shlong
Asian males make up what 2.5% of the population? Out of that 2.5 how many are forced to concentrate on studies & discouraged from playing sports? Most I think.

3.6%, but I agree that they have different priorities in their lives. Most are working or going to school and from what I read on AT and hear from other people... being an athlete isn't exactly what Asian parents want their kids doing.

 

[ElFenix]

RB is the one position where being short can be an advantage, because linebackers can't see you behind the line.

 

[Spoooon]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
RB is the one position where being short can be an advantage, because linebackers can't see you behind the line.

Agreed. I think my post earlier was skipped over between the back and forth stuff that was going on.

I commented that Barry Sanders was 5'8 and Walter Payton was 5'10.

edit: Of course, being short doesn't help when you're playing Madden 2004. The only football that counts around here.

 

[Saulbadguy]

Originally posted by: Spoooon
Barry Sanders was 5'8.
Walter Payton was 5'10.

Dante Hall of the Kansas City Chiefs is only 5'8. And he's a wide receiver.

I think ideally you would want big, athletic, quick men for every position. But it just depends on the position.

Overall, it's probably safe to say that bigger and reasonably fast will beat small and quick.

Dante Hall (pro bowler) also ran a kickoff return back 100 yards today..and almost scored another return TD on a punt..woot!

 

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by: Spoooon

Originally posted by: ElFenix
RB is the one position where being short can be an advantage, because linebackers can't see you behind the line.

Agreed. I think my post earlier was skipped over between the back and forth stuff that was going on.

I commented that Barry Sanders was 5'8 and Walter Payton was 5'10.

edit: Of course, being short doesn't help when you're playing Madden 2004. The only football that counts around here.

Not disputing your point, but Sanders is huge exception to the norm and Payton played a long time ago. When Darrel Green (now retired DB for the 'skins) came into the NFL in '82 he was an average height DB. By the time he retired from the 'skins in '02 he was a *very* short DB, but 20yrs of experience helped him remain a starter even w/his short comings.


Lethal

 

[nativesunshine]

Originally posted by: Feldenak
Why does it fvcking matter if there are any Asian NFL players?

Not everyone gives a damn what part of the world someone's ancestors came from.

It doesn't matter...

it was just a question. geez.

 

[Crappopotamus]

there arent many asians in contact sports. simply put, we're smaller built and generally less athletic. however, we own ping pong and badminton to each their own!

<- 5'10" and plays a lot of sports. recreationally.

i think the stuff about studies is true as well. i gotta focus on the school man. get into university. and not for phys ed. get a good job. make the family proud. there are very few chinese living in the ghetto fo SHIZZLE. my parents went from dirt poor in hk to upper middle class. they got edumacated. hard work. thats just the chinese way.