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Are there any 1920x1200 LCD monitors with HDCP?

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paralipsis

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I would like to upgrade my current monitor to service all my gaming needs, so it needs to support high-end PC gaming as well as the ability to display 1080i/1080p so that I can get full functionality from the next gen game consoles as well.

I was all set to buy the Dell 2405FPW, only to discover that this, and all other monitors I have looked at in the same rought size (HP L2335, Philips 230W5, BenQ FP231W, and the Samsung 242MP) all seem to lack HDCP support.

Without HDCP support, I think it highly likely that the Playstation 3 will cripple the resolution down to 480p. I can't be certain of this, but given that it is a standard introduced to protect HDTV output including media outputted from HD-DVD and Blu Ray sources, it seems a bit of a given.

I was also especially worried to discover that HDCP was creeping into the PC market as well. http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000143050582/

Anybody got any advice for me?
 
Don't buy a monitor/TV that doesn't have HDCP if you're that worried about it.

Not to mention all the devices you mentioned aren't even on the market yet. If you are buying for them, wait until they come out! Heck, the PS3 specs are far from complete.
 
Originally posted by: RaiderJ
Not to mention all the devices you mentioned aren't even on the market yet. If you are buying for them, wait until they come out! Heck, the PS3 specs are far from complete.
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Good grief, what kind of advice is that?

His was a simple question. Highly relevant and it made perfect sense.

A good monitor can last many years. He needs a new monitor today, and would like to buy one that remains relevant two years from now. We know what HDCP entails, and if PS3 doesn't support it, that's great, but if it does then it doesn't hurt to buy a HDCP compliant device today!

I'm in the same predicament since my 5+ year old 19" CRT is getting a bit long in the tooth. I've already been playing the waiting game; first for 16:10 aspect ratio LCDs to become available and lately I've been waiting for a close-to-affordable video card that can handle large resolution LCDs. 7800GTX fits the ticket (one dual-link DVI output) coupled together with the 30" Apple LCD. My original plan was to buy one this fall, so now I'm waiting to see if the 7800Ultra shows up. 🙂 Needless to say, I'm not going to be playing HDCP content any time soon.
 
Check out the westinghouse LVM-37w1. It can display 1080p/1080i and has a HDCP compliant DVI port. You can get a DVI to HDMI adapter and then you will be able to hook up a PS3 when it comes out.
 
This pisses me off, I am a die hard CRT fan. I will not use a fixed resolution display. I am analogue for life in a digital world. Just as vacumme tube are almost always better sounding than smaller transistors, CRT's have some of the best picture quality in the world.
 
Thanks grimreaper19 for the pointer towards the LVM-31w1, though as much as I would love a 37" display, my place is a bit cramped and it might bring its own set of complications.

As it stands, looks like I'll have to wait to see what new products are announced in the near future. Thanks for all the imput guys. I'll keep checking back here, and if I find anything elsewhere I'll be sure to post it as well.
 
Originally posted by: BikeDude
Originally posted by: RaiderJ
Not to mention all the devices you mentioned aren't even on the market yet. If you are buying for them, wait until they come out! Heck, the PS3 specs are far from complete.
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Good grief, what kind of advice is that?

His was a simple question. Highly relevant and it made perfect sense.

A good monitor can last many years. He needs a new monitor today, and would like to buy one that remains relevant two years from now. We know what HDCP entails, and if PS3 doesn't support it, that's great, but if it does then it doesn't hurt to buy a HDCP compliant device today!

I'm in the same predicament since my 5+ year old 19" CRT is getting a bit long in the tooth. I've already been playing the waiting game; first for 16:10 aspect ratio LCDs to become available and lately I've been waiting for a close-to-affordable video card that can handle large resolution LCDs. 7800GTX fits the ticket (one dual-link DVI output) coupled together with the 30" Apple LCD. My original plan was to buy one this fall, so now I'm waiting to see if the 7800Ultra shows up. 🙂 Needless to say, I'm not going to be playing HDCP content any time soon.
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I realize a monitor is a couple year long investment, so why wouldn't you wait another few months and make sure you know what the HDCP status of the PS3 is before you buy? If you are THAT itchy to buy a monitor now, then all you can do is guess as far as HDCP relevancy down the road.

Not to mention if Sony cripples non-HDCP monitor support, they'd be shooting themselves in the foot more than they have been.
 
Originally posted by: RaiderJ
I realize a monitor is a couple year long investment, so why wouldn't you wait another few months and make sure you know what the HDCP status of the PS3 is before you buy? If you are THAT itchy to buy a monitor now, then all you can do is guess as far as HDCP relevancy down the road.
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I think it is a fairly safe guess that if you don't have a HDCP compliant monitor, you're not going to be able to play HDCP content. It could be that PS3 won't play HDCP content, but all that means is that you'll have to buy another device that will, and _then_ you're back to square one: You'll need that HDCP compliant display device. (I seriously doubt you'll need HDCP to play PS3 games, that would be downright strange)

If the content providers get their brain into gear and stop HDCP from happening, then I don't see how that will reduce the value of having a HDCP compliant monitor (it'll simply become another redundant feature).
 
Originally posted by: BikeDude
Originally posted by: RaiderJ
I realize a monitor is a couple year long investment, so why wouldn't you wait another few months and make sure you know what the HDCP status of the PS3 is before you buy? If you are THAT itchy to buy a monitor now, then all you can do is guess as far as HDCP relevancy down the road.
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I think it is a fairly safe guess that if you don't have a HDCP compliant monitor, you're not going to be able to play HDCP content. It could be that PS3 won't play HDCP content, but all that means is that you'll have to buy another device that will, and _then_ you're back to square one: You'll need that HDCP compliant display device. (I seriously doubt you'll need HDCP to play PS3 games, that would be downright strange)

If the content providers get their brain into gear and stop HDCP from happening, then I don't see how that will reduce the value of having a HDCP compliant monitor (it'll simply become another redundant feature).
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How many TV's that are currently in people's homes are HDCP compliant? Next to none. Why would ANY provider release content that isn't playable on the majority of consumers TV's?

Again, no devices are even out there, so it would be silly to buy a monitor based on HDCP compliancy over features like picture quality and such. Wouldn't you feel silly buying a sub-quality monitor with HDCP support if that feature is never even used?

Buying a monitor now in hopes of being compliant with a possibly irrelavent standard is just plain ignorant. Wait a few months and see how things shake out.
 
heh HDCP is what Windows Vista is going to do... If your monitor isn't compliant with HDCP... Blank screen, or blurred... It sucks really.
 
Originally posted by: RaiderJ

How many High Def TV's that are currently in people's homes are HDCP compliant? Next to none.
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I'd have to say most of them. Pretty much any high def tv sold today has HDCP compliant DVI or HDMI ports. If your using coax, composite, s-video or component hookups, HDCP isn't going to matter, it's not a digital connection.
 
The PS3 won't require HDCP to output HD content. Very few televisions right now have HDCP inputs, therefore that would lock out the majority of the market. PS3 will output to component video just fine. However, if this is an issue of great concern to you, then waiting will not hurt you. The PS3 is not coming out until 2006, so relatively it is a somewhat long wait.
 
First of all, I'm pretty confident that the PS3 will not require HDCP for gaming. There is absolutely no need to secure it in that way. But it will be the fist mass-market Blu-ray device to hit the stores. That alone makes me a tad suspicious that it will have HDCP at least on the movie playback side of things. Considering the very long life cycle that sony predicts for the PS3, it would spell the instant doom for HDCP if the most common Blu-ray device out there does not use it. Early adopters may be lucky, it may be that Sony takes its time with getting HDCP on the PS3 and the first couple of PS3 versions may be without it, but even that would undermine alot of what HDCP is trying to do.

It may sound like I'm trying to defend HDCP here, but nothing could be further from the truth. I am merely pointing out the evidence that leads me to suspect that it will be there.

And it's worth mentioning that I have apparently found at least one WUXGA HDCP compliant device. I got an email back from a Samsung rep today informing me that the 242MP had HDCP on its DVI imput. Unfortunately I can only find it near me (in Australia) at an insanely high price (US$2705), at least compared to its nearest competitors.
 
Originally posted by: paralipsis
ray device out there does not use it. Early adopters may be lucky, it may be that Sony takes its time with getting HDCP on the PS3 and the first couple of PS3 versions may be without it, but even that would undermine alot of what HDCP is trying to do.
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What you're saying presents two possibilities (for those first models):

1. They can play HDCP content just fine (bypass the protection)
2. They won't be able to play HDCP content at all (or diminished quality)

I suspect the second option, thus it wouldn't pay to get the non-HDCP version of the PS3 if that ever materialises. (unless HDCP is shut down hard of course)

And yes, HDCP will suck royally. But consumers accepted the silly region locks, so the content providers know they'll take this sitting down as well.
 
Originally posted by: grimreaper19
Check out the westinghouse LVM-37w1. It can display 1080p/1080i and has a HDCP compliant DVI port. You can get a DVI to HDMI adapter and then you will be able to hook up a PS3 when it comes out.
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Watch out !

This display support HDCP VIA DVI but does not officially support HDCP via HDMI.

PS3 will outpout ONLY high-definition content to HDCP-HDMI.

You will NEED an HDCP compliant monitor to play ANY high definition (more than 480P) content. Sony HAVE to do it, the content provider are asking for it and they already won the game.

You will still have 480P outpout via component. But forget 720 & 1080 resolutions.
 
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