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Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: PhoenixOrion
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: PhoenixOrion
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: PhoenixOrion
You didn't see a high violent crime rate in _South America_??
not among the poor.
only what was shown on cnn , usually slaying of a politician or in-fighting among cartels, groups or govt related raids.
Originally posted by: jjessico
folks determined on killing others because of dumb things are heralded as heros and put in places of power
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: jjessico
folks determined on killing others because of dumb things are heralded as heros and put in places of power
You mean like in the American war of independence?
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: jjessico
folks determined on killing others because of dumb things are heralded as heros and put in places of power
You mean like in the American war of independence?
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: jjessico
folks determined on killing others because of dumb things are heralded as heros and put in places of power
You mean like in the American war of independence?
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: PhoenixOrion
switch your tv channel from cnn world news to 5PM local news.
some kid just shot another kid for their nfl jacket.
newsflash: suburban usa has not evolved either.
That sounds more like something that would happen in ghetto USA. Did it really happen in the burbs or did you simply make that part up?
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Their religion prevents them from evolving......and tell me it is not a control structure. You would think by now they would have come around to realize how things in the civilized world work but they don't want to have any of that. Those in control need to keep the masses dirt poor and they have to have a boogeyman to blame for it....Western Culture. You can't comprehend because it makes absolutely no sense to a human being with an IQ above 60 or someone who can see PAST his religion.
Yep, it's the fact that our government and laws aren't tied to religion as theirs are. Our organized religion is pretty damn screwed up too. How else could you imagine circumcizing babies for an accepted ritual? How about brainwashing innocent kids into believing they'll suffer eternal damnation if they don't follow the script? Praying to saints? Shaming members into filling the basket?Originally posted by: jjessico
The difference, of course, between violence caused by stupid things is how the local power structure accomodates the perpetrators. In the US (and other 1st world nations) people who commit crimes such as shooting people for sneakers or what have you are looked at as criminals. In the Middle East it seems that the folks determined on killing others because of dumb things are heralded as heros and put in places of power, not state prisons.
Make sense?
I'm not fvcking an animal.Originally posted by: Linux23
we are all fvcking animals.
Originally posted by: Chris2wire
Id sit back and let them have the country - Because the only way theyd do that to us is if we were animals.
Just like we're doing to them right now.
Notice no one is doing it to us? Because we aren't the animals.
I would have addressed you post a couple spots above this one, but it wasn't anywhere near worthly of an intelligible response.Originally posted by: walrus
They are very willing to die fighting to defend their country, must be a very foreign concept to you.
Originally posted by: Injury
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: jjessico
folks determined on killing others because of dumb things are heralded as heros and put in places of power
You mean like in the American war of independence?
You know, I hate posting in these threads because of the impending extreme opinions that always come up, but I'm tired of people comparing this war to the Revolutionary war.
Anyone that compares it in the light that terrorists and insurgents are just as right as the colonists doesn't know a freaking thing about the revolutionary war and what England was doing.
In fact, comparing the colonies and England to America and Iraq is practically the total f'ing opposite.
England was taxing the colonists unfairly, running a corrupt government, and giving the colonists no say in any of it. Any colonist who stood against the king was imprisioned, had their land seized and many other things. I can't even sum up in a paragraph the travesties against the colonists. They simply said we aren't going to take it anymore and declared independance.
In Iraq, the Iraqi government was the corrupt one. Why did Saddam Huessein have multiple palaces and all sorts of riches when the country was so poor? Saddam was giving his people no say in the governing of their country. The average Iraqi citizen has no way to rise up against the Iraqi military and its leaders. Iraqi lives by the rules that whoever has a gun makes the rules. Is it easy for you to sit at your computer as citizens of a nation where you can vote on your leader and say that this is fair?
So please, in all seriousness, explain to me how the colonists were savages. Yeah, by definition there were many acts of terrorism before and during the revolutionary war, but please explain how that compares to beheading travellers and civillians as an act of terror or humiliation is the same as throwing tea from a ship into the ocean. Please explain how a country fighting to give another country independence is so wrong that it justifies attacks on them. I'm not challenging you or anything, I really want to hear an opinion on this because I just can't grasp that viewpoint.
Should we really have sat back, watching... or lack therof, from the comfort of our thriving nation as Iraq constantly sets itself further behind? Should we stop sending aid to starving nations, stop giving support to countries that can't help themselves, or should we hold a double standard and refuse to help middle eastern nations because there are groups in that area that hate us, or because we needed to resort to force to solve a problem?
While I whole heartedly agree that we've been over there entirely to long, there's no point in packing up and leaving until the job is done. So many lives would have ended in vain if we just gave up. What members of the military joined under the precept that they would never have to go to war or die for a good cause?
Yeah, I'm 5 minutes from getting flamed to all hell by the dominant democratic and peace-loving force of this board, but I'm not kidding when I say I really can't grasp the concept and would like for you to explain it to me.
Originally posted by: walrus
All Bin Ladin wanted was the US out of Saudi Arabia. You have some strange over inflated opinion of yourself if you think he or all those peasant farmers in Afghanistan or elsewhere in the Middle East gives a rats #zz about you. As soon as we stop interfering in their countries they will go back to farming and raising their families peacefuly.
There's no Muslim desire of world domination. That's all Washington BS.
Originally posted by: walrus
All Bin Ladin wanted was the US out of Saudi Arabia. You have some strange over inflated opinion of yourself if you think he or all those peasant farmers in Afghanistan or elsewhere in the Middle East gives a rats #zz about you. As soon as we stop interfering in their countries they will go back to farming and raising their families peacefuly.
There's no Muslim desire of world domination. That's all Washington BS.