Are the palestinians an invented people?

Anarchist420

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I was guessing their unfortunate circumstances brought on by others invented them and that the modern jews were already a racially aware nation (since the late roman republic; see below).

Similarly, the Irish in the Republic of Ireland (especially the northwest); are an invented people like the palestinians are as the former were descended from the anglo-normans (both Anglos and Normas having matrilineage in Rome as the Romans were who conquered the Red Britons in what is England today; they became Anglo and then about 1k years later the Normans in France were used by the anglos and their Roman Church to conquer Celtic Ireland) and they were unaware of any national identity before the Cromwellian Conquest. So basically, the "Anglo-Irish" were not originally Anglo and they had not been in modern England (or if they had been then they were only in the Northern-most parts) for long before Cromwell conquered Ireland for them. The Anglo-Irish are very closely related mitochondrially to the early U.S. citizenry especially the Scots-Irish who made up probably the majority of Non-English subjects in colonies and later united States from 1775 to 1820.

Of course I believe the modern Jews made a nation out of themselves (they were obviously not unified during Jesus's time, yet they are very unified today) during the late Roman Republic Era (so they could get away from the Roman rapists); I just don't see them as having their garden of eden close to equator given how anthropologically different they are from the Palestinians.

And Europe is still governed by the mitochondrial remnants of Rome; it was the Roman Church that continued the dominance of those with mitochondrial (i.e. maternal) origin near the equator. One of the first things the Roman Church did to make europe patriarchal (like long headed peoples tend to be) was to outlaw divorce and make marriage between just two people when Jesus's mother was actually a wonderful polyandrous woman (i.e., Mary was certainly not a virgin).

the Roman Church conquered the northern and central europe while the Roman empire and roman republic only went after people in places near the equator like Rome itself was.

So isn't the national identity of some peoples actually invented while others are racially aware?
 

inachu

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Not invented as they are called Palestine people even in the Bible so the zionists are lying when it is right there in the Bible.

Since it is in the Bible then it is truth. Those who hate the truth then hate the Bible.

Simple as that.
 

cabri

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Not invented as they are called Palestine people even in the Bible so the zionists are lying when it is right there in the Bible.

Since it is in the Bible then it is truth. Those who hate the truth then hate the Bible.

Simple as that.

Based on the assumption that the Bible is the truth and not a sets of stories to help explain/justify circumstances
 

rudeguy

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Well lets see.

If one can show me on a map where Palestine is located, I'll be able to answer you question.
 

xBiffx

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Yes

Hopefully doing one of those cool things where they get together and spell something out and you can see it from space

So are you looking at a map, or a satellite image? :hmm:

I'm still having trouble trying to get behind the idea of using a map to locate people. I use one to locate places mostly. Maybe that's just me.
 

Oldgamer

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I was guessing their unfortunate circumstances brought on by others invented them and that the modern jews were already a racially aware nation (since the late roman republic; see below).

Similarly, the Irish in the Republic of Ireland (especially the northwest); are an invented people like the palestinians are as the former were descended from the anglo-normans (both Anglos and Normas having matrilineage in Rome as the Romans were who conquered the Red Britons in what is England today; they became Anglo and then about 1k years later the Normans in France were used by the anglos and their Roman Church to conquer Celtic Ireland) and they were unaware of any national identity before the Cromwellian Conquest. So basically, the "Anglo-Irish" were not originally Anglo and they had not been in modern England (or if they had been then they were only in the Northern-most parts) for long before Cromwell conquered Ireland for them. The Anglo-Irish are very closely related mitochondrially to the early U.S. citizenry especially the Scots-Irish who made up probably the majority of Non-English subjects in colonies and later united States from 1775 to 1820.

Of course I believe the modern Jews made a nation out of themselves (they were obviously not unified during Jesus's time, yet they are very unified today) during the late Roman Republic Era (so they could get away from the Roman rapists); I just don't see them as having their garden of eden close to equator given how anthropologically different they are from the Palestinians.

And Europe is still governed by the mitochondrial remnants of Rome; it was the Roman Church that continued the dominance of those with mitochondrial (i.e. maternal) origin near the equator. One of the first things the Roman Church did to make europe patriarchal (like long headed peoples tend to be) was to outlaw divorce and make marriage between just two people when Jesus's mother was actually a wonderful polyandrous woman (i.e., Mary was certainly not a virgin).

the Roman Church conquered the northern and central europe while the Roman empire and roman republic only went after people in places near the equator like Rome itself was.

So isn't the national identity of some peoples actually invented while others are racially aware?

Do you know much about India's history and about Mahatma Ghandi? When he finally got the British to transfer Power to two successor states dividing India on August 15, 1947. No Palestinians are not some made up people..LOL

You should look up the history of India and Muslims. http://www.mkgandhi.org/biography/partition.htm
 

rudeguy

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So are you looking at a map, or a satellite image? :hmm:

I'm still having trouble trying to get behind the idea of using a map to locate people. I use one to locate places mostly. Maybe that's just me.

isnt a Palestinian a person from Palestine?
 

Anarchist420

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It doesn't look like anyone knew or tried to comprehend what i tried to illustrate--the difference between already existing racially aware neanderthal matriarchal nations (e.g., Jews, White South Africans, Anglo-Irish, or so they're all called) vs the groups of people that become unified into nations but only against a common foe.
 

Fern

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-snip-

Similarly, the Irish in the Republic of Ireland (especially the northwest); are an invented people like the palestinians are as the former were descended from the anglo-normans (both Anglos and Normas having matrilineage in Rome as the Romans were who conquered the Red Britons in what is England today; they became Anglo and then about 1k years later the Normans in France were used by the anglos and their Roman Church to conquer Celtic Ireland) and they were unaware of any national identity before the Cromwellian Conquest.

The people of N Ireland are not "invented". They are basically Celtic.

England wanted to consolidate Ireland into its Kingdom but could not manage the Irish Celts. Consequently, England sent over Scots (primarily low landers) to fight and dislodge the Irish. The Scots sent were required to speak English in addition to their native Celtic so England could deal with them. The Scots were given the land they drove their Irish Celt brothers from. This was in the beginning of the 17th century (i.e., 1600)

The Irish continued to fight back and Cromwell came over to put a final stop to it. (Nothing really final about it as that what's the IRA and protestant v catholic fighting has been about all these long years.)

For any number of reason there has been mixing between the (True) Romans and Celts. Celts had long been used as mercenaries going back as far as the Greeks and Ptolemaic Egypt. The Celts also took over Northern Italy from the Etruscans. In addition to trade (the Celts traded all the way through the Mediterranean including Jerusalem) the above were all opportunities for some mixing.

As far as Romans in England, first remember that the Romans were probably the first 'Borg' in that they absorbed other cultures. Even some of the 'caesars' were not Roman, merely foreigners rewarded for great victories. In any case, the Celts held off the Romans who eventually built Hadrian's Wall to keep the Celts from attacking them. Roman soldiers were known to be captured and likely, eventually, absorbed into various Celtic tribes.

In any case, the peoples of N Ireland are Celtic (Scottish brothers of the Irish Celts). The only thing "invented" is the name of that region/country and its political affiliation with England.

Fern
 

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The people of N Ireland are not "invented". They are basically Celtic. England wanted to consolidate Ireland into its Kingdom but could not manage the Irish Celts. Consequently, England sent over Scots (primarily low landers) to fight and dislodge the Irish. The Scots sent were required to speak English in addition to their native Celtic so England could deal with them. The Scots were given the land they drove their Irish Celt brothers from. This was in the beginning of the 17th century (i.e., 1600) The Irish continued to fight back and Cromwell came over to put a final stop to it. (Nothing really final about it as that what's the IRA and protestant v catholic fighting has been about all these long years.) For any number of reason there has been mixing between the (True) Romans and Celts. Celts had long been used as mercenaries going back as far as the Greeks and Ptolemaic Egypt. The Celts also took over Northern Italy from the Etruscans. In addition to trade (the Celts traded all the way through the Mediterranean including Jerusalem) the above were all opportunities for some mixing. As far as Romans in England, first remember that the Romans were probably the first 'Borg' in that they absorbed other cultures. Even some of the 'caesars' were not Roman, merely foreigners rewarded for great victories. In any case, the Celts held off the Romans who eventually built Hadrian's Wall to keep the Celts from attacking them. Roman soldiers were known to be captured and likely, eventually, absorbed into various Celtic tribes. In any case, the peoples of N Ireland are Celtic (Scottish brothers of the Irish Celts). The only thing "invented" is the name of that region/country and its political affiliation with England. Fern
Okay you sound more reasonable and open-minded than I do, but I am going by mitochondrial DNA. The vast majority in the Irish Republic (the "Irish Catholics") have different MtDNA haplogroups (a high percentage H rivaling even the Spanish) than the Jews and Protestant Irish do (a very large amount of superhaplogroup U).

I agree that the affiliation and name of NI is invented. the Protestant Irish are like White South Africans and Jewish people are--dinaric, alpine, and red/blond noric; the Roman Catholic Irelanders are a hybrid of Nordic and Mediteranean like I am (my matrilineage is only traced about 4 gens back to Hungary; I suspect that the Roman Catholics there were of an extremely dolichocephalic race of short stature compared to the Protestants in that country).

Thank you for the info though:)
 

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Admittedly I'm no expert but I've been to south Africa and they were definitely settlers. Of course its complicated. They did a pretty good hob explaining the complexities in the apartheid museum but what is exactly are you trying to point out?
 

WelshBloke

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... but what is exactly are you trying to point out?

Just that it is an interesting subject concerning not just state sponsored colonialism but company controlled colonialism. And wars between nation states and companies. And revolution.

The was no hidden "Gotcha" in my post I was just pointing out that it was a very interesting and complicated bit of history.
 

doubledeluxe

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Ah yeah that was pretty interesting.

I don't know but I think, as horrible as it sounds, that the entire history of how they immigrated there to how apartheid started was interesting. I was kinda surprised at how little I knew.
 

WelshBloke

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Ah yeah that was pretty interesting.

I don't know but I think, as horrible as it sounds, that the entire history of how they immigrated there to how apartheid started was interesting. I was kinda surprised at how little I knew.
Horrible and interesting are not mutually exclusive, in fact they go hand in hand when you look at history.

The whole trading companies thing is really fascinating, there isn't really a modern counterpart.