Are the new Intel P4's worth the wait?

[bluebox1]

I've got an Intel D975XBX2 (badaxe 2) sitting in my closet. I know it's not the latest or fastest motherboard out there anymore but I can still put together a powerful rig for the next few years. I'm going get a dual core CPU because I'm not sure if a 975 chipset can handle a quad core. I'm thinking of getting an E6700 Conroe to run on it. Should I wait for the new E6750 when it comes out in the next six weeks or should I stick with the older E6700? The reason I'm asking is because of the price. A 6700 Conroe cost $318 at newegg now, but the newer 6750 is expected to cost around $186!!. I hope that price is true. Does anyone have any knowelege of the new Intel procs that are coming out? will they work with the older boards as well as the older chips? Thanks

 

[zsdersw]

Well, the title of the topic is a bit off.. there are no more new "P4's" coming out. They're all Core 2 Duo, Core 2 Quad, or Pentium Dual Core.

Personally, I'd wait for the E6750. It's fast, has 4MB cache, and is 1333FSB.

 

[Lonyo]

Does the 975 support 1333MHz FSB?


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[bluebox1]

Thanks for the suggestion. The 975X can not run at 1333 FSB, but for $186 the E6750 is still a great chioce. If the chip can run at 1066FSB I'm happy with that. As for the "P4" name, it's an old habit when talking about Intel chips.

 

[zsdersw]

Yeah, even if you can't utilize the 1333FSB, the chip will be suited for the time when you upgrade the motherboard to, say, one based off of the X38 chipset.

 

[aatf510]

Originally posted by: bluebox1
Thanks for the suggestion. The 975X can not run at 1333 FSB, but for $186 the E6750 is still a great chioce. If the chip can run at 1066FSB I'm happy with that. As for the "P4" name, it's an old habit when talking about Intel chips.

I am not sure how happy you are going to be when you can only run a E6750 @ 1066MHz FSB.
The E6750 only runs at its stock 2.66GHz because it has a 8x multiplier (333MHz * 8 = 2.66GHz)
If you run the E6750 with 1066MHz FSB, it is going to run @ 2.13GHz instead (266MHz * 8 = 2.13GHz).
If you are going to wait for a E6750 and then run it @ 2.13GHz, then you might as well just grab a E6450 right now as they'd probably overclock to the same speed anyway.

 

[nyker96]

those 1333 parts in my opion is not worth it. You need very high FSBs to push it. maybe for general public who only knows higher fsb= higher performance, but we know better. they are not very useful for OC purposes.

 

[bluebox1]

OK, I did not know that the chip is for newer chipset boards. Lonyo suggest that I go with a quad core. Now I'm finding out that at the end of the month (July 22nd) the price on tha quad core Q6600 is going down to be close to that of the E6700! Is this true? I'm looking into the bios and drivers the Q6600 needs to run on the 975X

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: bluebox1
OK, I did not know that the chip is for newer chipset boards. Lonyo suggest that I go with a quad core. Now I'm finding out that at the end of the month (July 22nd) the price on tha quad core Q6600 is going down to be close to that of the E6700! Is this true? I'm looking into the bios and drivers the Q6600 needs to run on the 975X

Well, I didn't suggest you get the quad core, just pointed out it should work on your 975 mobo.
The price of the Q6600 should be down to $266 or so on the 22nd though.
You might still be able to pick up an E6700 with the old 1066MHz FSB after the 22nd for a reduced price, but it all depends.

 

[tvdang7]

the upside is everyone is getting mostly 4ghz ez on the new go stepping.

 

[HopJokey]

Originally posted by: nyker96
those 1333 parts in my opion is not worth it. You need very high FSBs to push it. maybe for general public who only knows higher fsb= higher performance, but we know better. they are not very useful for OC purposes.

You are forgetting that the new 1333 parts are based on the G0 stepping which from many accounts (check out XS) run much cooler and have greater OC potential. I believe this outweighs the negative of the lower multipliers of the new parts.

 

[aka1nas]

Originally posted by: HopJokey

Originally posted by: nyker96
those 1333 parts in my opion is not worth it. You need very high FSBs to push it. maybe for general public who only knows higher fsb= higher performance, but we know better. they are not very useful for OC purposes.

You are forgetting that the new 1333 parts are based on the G0 stepping which from many accounts (check out XS) run much cooler and have greater OC potential. I believe this outweighs the negative of the lower multipliers of the new parts.

Not if he is on an older chipset that can't hit the FSB speeds that he would need to make up for the lower multiplier of a 1333FSB chip.

 

[Shimmishim]

Originally posted by: bluebox1
Thanks for the suggestion. The 975X can not run at 1333 FSB, but for $186 the E6750 is still a great chioce. If the chip can run at 1066FSB I'm happy with that. As for the "P4" name, it's an old habit when talking about Intel chips.

Let's dispel some rumors in this thread starting with this one...

The 975x can run 333 FSB or 1333 strap.

I guess you haven't used this board yet.

One thing that's neat about the Bad Axe 2 (not 1 but 2) is the fact that you actually have selectable strap control. You can pick 1066 and 1333. All the strap does is loosen the latency of the NB to allow for higher FSB's and changes the fsb/mem dividers accordingly.

it is important to note here that most boards do not change strap from 1066 to 1333 at 333 FSB.

the best example of this is the P5B deluxe. This board goes all the way up to 400 FSB before flopping over to the 1333 strap.

All that is required to run the newer 6X50 chips is a bios update. I'm pretty sure intel will release (if they haven't already) a new bios to support these chips. heck, all these 680i boards are getting bioses with microcode updates to support these chips.

again, this board will run the newer G0 chips fine as long as there is a bios update.

and checking the bios release notes for the BX2 shows:

BIOS Version 2770
About This BIOS:
? June 13, 2007
? BX97520J.86A.2770.2007.0613.1403
? SATA RAID info:
? Intel(R) RAID for SATA - v5.6.2.1002
? Marvell 88SE6145 SATA BIOS ? v1.1.0.34
? PXE UNDI: Initializing Intel(R) Boot Agent GE v1.2.28
? PXE Base Code: Intel(R) Boot Agent GE v1.2.42
? Memory reference code equivalent to MRC 1.2+
? Intel® Active Management Technology info:
? Intel® AMT BX Firmware: v1.2.3
New Fixes/Features:
? Updated processor support.
? Fixed resource allocation issues with PCI cards with multiple P2P
bridges.

If this isn't for the G0 then my guess is that they'll release one soon enough.

 

[Shimmishim]

Originally posted by: toattett

Originally posted by: bluebox1
Thanks for the suggestion. The 975X can not run at 1333 FSB, but for $186 the E6750 is still a great chioce. If the chip can run at 1066FSB I'm happy with that. As for the "P4" name, it's an old habit when talking about Intel chips.

I am not sure how happy you are going to be when you can only run a E6750 @ 1066MHz FSB.
The E6750 only runs at its stock 2.66GHz because it has a 8x multiplier (333MHz * 8 = 2.66GHz)
If you run the E6750 with 1066MHz FSB, it is going to run @ 2.13GHz instead (266MHz * 8 = 2.13GHz).
If you are going to wait for a E6750 and then run it @ 2.13GHz, then you might as well just grab a E6450 right now as they'd probably overclock to the same speed anyway.

Again, if the chip boots at 8x266 then he can manually go into the bios and change the fsb to 333 and he will be doing 1333 FSB.

intel bad axe 2 has overclocking options.

 

[Shimmishim]

Originally posted by: bluebox1
OK, I did not know that the chip is for newer chipset boards. Lonyo suggest that I go with a quad core. Now I'm finding out that at the end of the month (July 22nd) the price on tha quad core Q6600 is going down to be close to that of the E6700! Is this true? I'm looking into the bios and drivers the Q6600 needs to run on the 975X

the G0 1333 chips do not need a newer chipset (P35 or X38) motherboard.

For a fact, the 680i (older chipset) can run the newer G0 1333 chips.

Also the Asus P5B deluxe I know was recently issued a new bios update to run the 1333 G0 chips.

 

[Shimmishim]

Originally posted by: aka1nas

Originally posted by: HopJokey

Originally posted by: nyker96
those 1333 parts in my opion is not worth it. You need very high FSBs to push it. maybe for general public who only knows higher fsb= higher performance, but we know better. they are not very useful for OC purposes.

You are forgetting that the new 1333 parts are based on the G0 stepping which from many accounts (check out XS) run much cooler and have greater OC potential. I believe this outweighs the negative of the lower multipliers of the new parts.

Not if he is on an older chipset that can't hit the FSB speeds that he would need to make up for the lower multiplier of a 1333FSB chip.

Define older chipset?

The 965 is a very capable chipset. My P5B can do 500+ easily...

even with a 8x mult, 500 is more than enough for the average user. heck 8x500=4000mhz!

The 975 however does have a harder time with higher FSB's. Most appear to top out around 410-450 depending on the manufacturer.

Older does not equate to worse. I think this is a misconception people have.

Also, 965 isn't THAT old.

 

[Wedge1]

Originally posted by: Shimmishim
Older does not equate to worse. I think this is a misconception people have.

Good to know as I am planning on getting the P5B Deluxe or P5K Deluxe. Can't decide. Will likely go quad-core as well.