Are teachers generally against objective standards?

Originally posted by: tec699

Originally posted by: Isshinryu

Originally posted by: tec699

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: her209
Aren't standardized tests biased anyways?

Only when your child does not do well. So I guess Blacks know a different math than the rest of us? English is different for them also, correct?

For Mexican students, then yes the tests are biased. We now live in a multicultural society so the test need to conform to the minority population. If you don't like it then leave America because society is progressing and you will get left behind if you don't change.

Why can't the minority conform to the majority?

IMO because then your practicing racism. Minorities have it hard enough and making them conform is just another barrier to living a decent life. I've always believed that we should learn a multitude of languages so we don't become a society that breeds ignorance.

Learn to respect other cultures.

What is your definition of racism, and how exactly does it apply to the issue being discussed?

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
tec,

If Mexicans can't make their own country great then what makes you think they are going to make this country "greater".....you are obviousley Hispanic so you are wearing racial blinders. Most of the Mexicans entering this country are not the rocket scientist type, they are the day worker type. If every minority person in/and entering this country strived and worked to raise the bar of expectations then diversity would be a good thing.....but lowering expectations so minorities can appear to be performing equal is not only a disservice to them it will eventually bring this country down.

Wow, talk about a myopic viewpoint. 😛

With the prospect of solid steady income(day job, as you put it) comes the ability to raise a solid family. A solid family raises solid children. Solid children tend to become educated.

It's not like I don't understand what you're trying to say, but c'mon.. lol

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Ronstang
tec,

If Mexicans can't make their own country great then what makes you think they are going to make this country "greater".....you are obviousley Hispanic so you are wearing racial blinders. Most of the Mexicans entering this country are not the rocket scientist type, they are the day worker type. If every minority person in/and entering this country strived and worked to raise the bar of expectations then diversity would be a good thing.....but lowering expectations so minorities can appear to be performing equal is not only a disservice to them it will eventually bring this country down.

Wow, talk about a myopic viewpoint. 😛

With the prospect of solid steady income(day job, as you put it) comes the ability to raise a solid family. A solid family raises solid children. Solid children tend to become educated.

It's not like I don't understand what you're trying to say, but c'mon.. lol

I'm not going to apologize for my statement. I'm from a generation that is not bound by PC fears. I tell things like they are because sugarcoating it to make someone feel good is counterproductive. I know exactly what I am implying by my statement because that is what I meant. I'm not myopic at all, my prejudice lies in judging people soley on what they choose to do and the effort they put into it....color of skin does not matter to me.

 

[Ornery]

Originally posted by: tec699

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: her209
Aren't standardized tests biased anyways?

Only when your child does not do well. So I guess Blacks know a different math than the rest of us? English is different for them also, correct?

For Mexican students, then yes the tests are biased. We now live in a multicultural society so the test need to conform to the minority population. If you don't like it then leave America because society is progressing and you will get left behind if you don't change.

Gawd! Now you wieners see why we need to make English the official language!

Don't forget to vote for the party who has supported these bills since 1981.

 

[wyvrn]

Originally posted by: MadCowDisease

Originally posted by: Riprorin
I was talking to a teacher yesterday and mentioned to her that since I hadn't gotten the results back from a NYS state that my daughter took in the fall, I called the school to find out her results. She seemed flabergasted that I would call the school and was actually interested in knowing the results. My point to her was that in the absence of an objective, standardized test how do I assess what she really knows and if the school is inflating her grades. Her point was that it was only a single data point and the results were essentially meaningless.

The take away from the discussion for me was that she was afraid of any test that might reflect on her teaching abilities.

Do I have it wrong?

Many teachers generally dislike standardized testing because they end up teaching AROUND the test instead of teaching your children something useful *god forbid!*. The result is that the teacher's 'ability' is judged by the students' ability to pass the test, a very poor marker or teaching ability. Personally, I think standardized testing in any form is the biggest joke and foe this country's education system has ever faced and continued to face. It stifles creativity and spontaneity, instead creating an 'educational' environment of automatons who merely sit in class as the same facts are shoved down their throats. We are creating living, thinking human beings, not robots.

Education should be fun and encourage the student to do thinking on his own - not the other way around.

Standardized testing is good for math and sciences that often revolve around concrete answers. It is not so good on more subjective areas like writing, creativity, and investigative problem-solving. The problem is that policiticians like to have numbers they can show their constituents to "prove" that they are improving education. It's harder to say "our area had the most creative students" and back it up in any concrete way. After all, society doesn't really see the product of our education system until after high school and college, when students have grown and start contributing to society.

Standardized tests are also a creation of the central government in order to set benchmarks against which education can be measured across the US and against other countries. Education should really be more of a local interest, because different states and counties have different needs. For instance, south Texas schools have lots of non-English speaking immigrants, whereas richer school districs may have classrooms wired into the internet and issue laptops. The goals of these institutions, at least in the short run, are distinctly different and require different emphasis.

 

[jjones]

Originally posted by: tec699
Ron...

Please man. Diversity will only make us a better country. Isn't this country the so-called melting pot of the world? There is no other country like ours and shouldn't we embrace the minorities that are coming to America in record numbers. Take a look at the stats. It's projected that in 20 years the Spanish population is going to increase at such a rate that they will rival white America. With a large population comes power. We are going to see more Spanish senators, mayors, educators, CEO's, doctors, lawyers, etc... They will have the voting power to make major changes in America. Hell we may even see a Spanish president within 20 years!

So if the Spanish are coming to America in record numbers shouldn't they have their own language and shouldn't their culture be respected to the extent that white America has to learn their language to communicate? In fact, change is happening right now! My father delivers the voting machines to the surrounding districts and did you know that we now have both Spanish and English names on those machines? It's taking place and I feel we need to accommodate them.

😀

I couldn't disagree more. Just because more Mexicans keep coming over the border is no reason to begin requiring a US citizen to learn Spanish. In fact, I think the US is doing itself a great disservice by the lengths it has already taken to accommodate immigrant Mexicans.

 

I'm still waiting for a reply from tec about the racism comment made earlier.

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: Ornery

Originally posted by: tec699

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: her209
Aren't standardized tests biased anyways?

Only when your child does not do well. So I guess Blacks know a different math than the rest of us? English is different for them also, correct?

For Mexican students, then yes the tests are biased. We now live in a multicultural society so the test need to conform to the minority population. If you don't like it then leave America because society is progressing and you will get left behind if you don't change.

Gawd! Now you wieners see why we need to make English the official language!

Don't forget to vote for the party who has supported these bills since 1981.

Ornery...you are right but do you think the liberals are going to let this happen? Their whole platform is to divide this country along race and socioeconomic lines to maintain their power. They want this country to fail to keep their power. The fact that ANYONE in the US would argue against English being made the official language is proof in and of itself that diversity is killing this country. Diversity itself is not bad but the way it is being shoved down the throat of this country is bad.

 

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Ornery

Originally posted by: tec699

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: her209
Aren't standardized tests biased anyways?

Only when your child does not do well. So I guess Blacks know a different math than the rest of us? English is different for them also, correct?

For Mexican students, then yes the tests are biased. We now live in a multicultural society so the test need to conform to the minority population. If you don't like it then leave America because society is progressing and you will get left behind if you don't change.

Gawd! Now you wieners see why we need to make English the official language!

Don't forget to vote for the party who has supported these bills since 1981.

Ornery...you are right but do you think the liberals are going to let this happen? Their whole platform is to divide this country along race and socioeconomic lines to maintain their power. They want this country to fail to keep their power. The fact that ANYONE in the US would argue against English being made the official language is proof in and of itself that diversity is killing this country. Diversity itself is not bad but the way it is being shoved down the throat of this country is bad.

I 100% agree. If you want evidence that divirsity and many liberals are hurting the current American power, as well as the first Amendment, look no further than your nearest college campus.

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: FallenHero

I 100% agree. If you want evidence that divirsity and many liberals are hurting the current American power, as well as the first Amendment, look no further than your nearest college campus.

College is a joke for the most part anyway. I became so disillusioned in school that I have no repect for th institution anymore. Universities don't even care about teaching anymore.....just push the kids through as fast as possible hoping they come away with the "liberal brainwashing" and let some more in to start all over. College courses have been so diluted over the decades to allow student to pass who should be kicked out. Don't be so quick to gleam about the A you received in a class as chances are if you would have been in college 50 years ago you would have received a C or worse for the same effort/knowledge.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: tec699
Ron...

Please man. Diversity will only make us a better country. Isn't this country the so-called melting pot of the world? There is no other country like ours and shouldn't we embrace the minorities that are coming to America in record numbers. Take a look at the stats. It's projected that in 20 years the Spanish population is going to increase at such a rate that they will rival white America. With a large population comes power. We are going to see more Spanish senators, mayors, educators, CEO's, doctors, lawyers, etc... They will have the voting power to make major changes in America. Hell we may even see a Spanish president within 20 years!

So if the Spanish are coming to America in record numbers shouldn't they have their own language and shouldn't their culture be respected to the extent that white America has to learn their language to communicate? In fact, change is happening right now! My father delivers the voting machines to the surrounding districts and did you know that we now have both Spanish and English names on those machines? It's taking place and I feel we need to accommodate them.

😀

well theres diversity that involves assimilation and theres diversity that splits people into rival groups. theres a certain number of latin americans coming over that refuse to assimilate and cling to some sort of greater mexico dream obsessed with the so called wrongs of the past. their dream is to remain separate, to balkanize america, not to join the pot. assimilation is an evil word to these people. as for language, we're too soft on that. it is language that binds people. if people cannot effectively communicate at a fundamental level, all else is lost. all ties that bind a people together are lost. the feeling of inclusive togetherness, of extended family that leads to countrymen caring for one another regardless of relation disolves.

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: RiprorinNew York State gives standardized tests in 4th and 8th grades for language arts, science, and math. The tests are graded on a scale of 1 to 4, 4 being the highest.

My daughter who gets A's and B+'s took the test. She happened to get 3's on LA and science (haven't got the math results back yet), but if she got 1's ot 2's, wouldn't that raise some alarms about the quality of her education and raise some suspicion about grade inflation? In the absence of such tests, how do you accurately gauge how kids are doing?

Meh, I wouldn't put too much faith in to some of those results. When I took the Oregon version of these tests years ago, I barely passed the written math section, even though I was 3 years ahead of "grade level" in Math. While they don't/won't tell you what you did wrong, I'm guessing that I was scored low for having a technically correct answer, but I used some high-level math, when the "correct" answer would have used grade-level algebra.

 

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: FallenHero

I 100% agree. If you want evidence that divirsity and many liberals are hurting the current American power, as well as the first Amendment, look no further than your nearest college campus.

College is a joke for the most part anyway. I became so disillusioned in school that I have no repect for th institution anymore. Universities don't even care about teaching anymore.....just push the kids through as fast as possible hoping they come away with the "liberal brainwashing" and let some more in to start all over. College courses have been so diluted over the decades to allow student to pass who should be kicked out. Don't be so quick to gleam about the A you received in a class as chances are if you would have been in college 50 years ago you would have received a C or worse for the same effort/knowledge.

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[Ronstang]

It figures that when a little truth enters a thread that isw politically/emotionally charged the liberals run and hide.....hahaha, flame on.