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are SATA hard drives that much better than ATA drives?

In my experience, they are much better. But I don't know what was the cause, as I changed several factors. I had a Promise SX6000 RAID controller with 4 200gb Western Digital 8mb cache PATA drives, and it was decent. Then I went to a BroadCom BC4852 8-port SATA RAID controller and 5 Hitachi 250gb SATA drives in RAID 5, and it was so much faster in the benchmarks. It was amazing.
Tas.
 
Originally posted by: tasburrfoot78362
In my experience, they are much better. But I don't know what was the cause, as I changed several factors. I had a Promise SX6000 RAID controller with 4 200gb Western Digital 8mb cache PATA drives, and it was decent. Then I went to a BroadCom BC4852 8-port SATA RAID controller and 5 Hitachi 250gb SATA drives in RAID 5, and it was so much faster in the benchmarks. It was amazing.
Tas.
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Too many variables there. Different controller, different brand/model of drives, 5 drive RAID5 versus 4-drive (RAID5? RAID0? RAID01/10?). A 3-year-old PATA drive may well be slower than a brand new SATA one, but that's because it's a newer model of drive, not because SATA is faster than PATA.

Benches of single PATA drives against single SATA drives of the same brand/generation show essentially zero performance difference (check storagereview.com or search; this, surprisingly, gets asked a lot). Neither interface is limiting today's drives.
 
Oh ok, cause I was just wondering because I just bought an Ultra ATA/100 Seagate Barracuda HD and was wonderin if i made a mistake by not buying SATA.
 
The drive preformance themselves have little to do with the interface they use to talk to the MoBo. ATA100 and SATA150 are just how wide the info channel is. If the info on the highway isnt even saturating ATA100 in 98% of situation, it just doesnt matter. SATA is a new and better standard for future hard drives and Mobo cobinations. Its better to get a SATA drive for futureproofing, not preformance.
 
The only real advantage I could see is that all my PATA slots are filled, so I need to start buying SATA drives 😉
 
The SATA cable design is much more robust and efficient.
I have broken 2 pairs of IDE cables in my 3 years of computer involvement already
 
Originally posted by: aeternitas
The drive preformance themselves have little to do with the interface they use to talk to the MoBo. ATA100 and SATA150 are just how wide the info channel is. If the info on the highway isnt even saturating ATA100 in 98% of situation, it just doesnt matter. SATA is a new and better standard for future hard drives and Mobo cobinations. Its better to get a SATA drive for futureproofing, not preformance.
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the bandwidth of today hdds str is only ~55MB/s, and the raptor might be ~60MB/s, hell even u320 15krpm hdds have a str of 80-90MB/s so the ata100 standard has plenty of headroom (as do pci slots in the case of a pci scsi adapter, if it is a single drive).

just a way for the manf to make money. in fact a lot of the first sata hdds were just pata hdds with a contoller adapter, now i think other features are being added, but nothing worth writing home about. and burst speed doesn't mean sh!t.

you did not make a mistake about buying a pata. look how long floppy connectors have been on. the only thing i am really surprised about is the agp slot being on the way out, which is total b.s. because even the 7800gtx wouldn't use all the bandwidth of a agp 8x slot. total marketing sh@t.
 
Originally posted by: bob4432
the bandwidth of today hdds str is only ~55MB/s, and the raptor might be ~60MB/s, hell even u320 15krpm hdds have a str of 80-90MB/s so the ata100 standard has plenty of headroom (as do pci slots in the case of a pci scsi adapter, if it is a single drive).

just a way for the manf to make money. in fact a lot of the first sata hdds were just pata hdds with a contoller adapter, now i think other features are being added, but nothing worth writing home about. and burst speed doesn't mean sh!t.

you did not make a mistake about buying a pata. look how long floppy connectors have been on. the only thing i am really surprised about is the agp slot being on the way out, which is total b.s. because even the 7800gtx wouldn't use all the bandwidth of a agp 8x slot. total marketing sh@t.
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You're being a little paranoid. SATA is a good thing and if drive1 and drive2 have the same preformance, then wheen chooseing you'll want the one that uses SATA. Youre talking about sustained transfers. realize that burst rates are much higher, thats why i said "The drive preformance themselves have little to do with the interface they use to talk to the MoBo."

When doing RAID this changed and ATA100 becomes more than a little. i would assume a %10 gain on average in preformance over ATA100 to SATA1 when raid0ing. Tnen you goto 4 drives and you want to be sure to go SATA. Its just for future drives and for trying to slow the tightening bottleneck that is the hard drive.

PCI-e was needed. AGP would be saturated by this time in two years. People keep their mobo for longer than that, unless they like upgradeing constantly and are rich. PCI-e does more than AGP and is more flexable. This is not some rip off the hardware industry is pawning on us.

By the way, nothing againt OCZ, but buying anything based on how good their return or support policy is backwards. Buy on how little you NEED that support.
 
Originally posted by: aeternitas
Originally posted by: bob4432
the bandwidth of today hdds str is only ~55MB/s, and the raptor might be ~60MB/s, hell even u320 15krpm hdds have a str of 80-90MB/s so the ata100 standard has plenty of headroom (as do pci slots in the case of a pci scsi adapter, if it is a single drive).

just a way for the manf to make money. in fact a lot of the first sata hdds were just pata hdds with a contoller adapter, now i think other features are being added, but nothing worth writing home about. and burst speed doesn't mean sh!t.

you did not make a mistake about buying a pata. look how long floppy connectors have been on. the only thing i am really surprised about is the agp slot being on the way out, which is total b.s. because even the 7800gtx wouldn't use all the bandwidth of a agp 8x slot. total marketing sh@t.
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You're being a little paranoid. SATA is a good thing and if drive1 and drive2 have the same preformance, then wheen chooseing you'll want the one that uses SATA. Youre talking about sustained transfers. realize that burst rates are much higher, thats why i said "The drive preformance themselves have little to do with the interface they use to talk to the MoBo."

When doing RAID this changed and ATA100 becomes more than a little. i would assume a %10 gain on average in preformance over ATA100 to SATA1 when raid0ing. Tnen you goto 4 drives and you want to be sure to go SATA. Its just for future drives and for trying to slow the tightening bottleneck that is the hard drive.

PCI-e was needed. AGP would be saturated by this time in two years. People keep their mobo for longer than that, unless they like upgradeing constantly and are rich. PCI-e does more than AGP and is more flexable. This is not some rip off the hardware industry is pawning on us.
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Unreal Engine 3.0 will be taking advantage of both AGP 8x and PCI-e graphics technologies. However, ultimately, PCI-e will become an open standard over AGP graphisc technology. Don't expect to see AGP in the standard market 5 years from now.

If your motherboard supports SATA, and you got an IDE drive, you made a mistake. They primarily cost about the same. In fact, if you have support for SATA I/O, you made an even bigger mistake. But no shame here, people learn differently. I'd just suggest you put your nickels in for some SATA technology, or even SCSI if you're desperate.
 
I have both SATA and PATA drives - same make - same size. No real differewnce is noticed in applications. The smaller cable is a blessing and also a curse. It is somewhat stiff - so be careful probing around inside - bumping that cable puts one helluva strain on the drives fragile SATA connection pins - they should be housed in plastic. They bend very easily from any pull on that cable. I believe the new ones are enclosed in a plastic housing.
 
Originally posted by: aeternitas
Originally posted by: bob4432
the bandwidth of today hdds str is only ~55MB/s, and the raptor might be ~60MB/s, hell even u320 15krpm hdds have a str of 80-90MB/s so the ata100 standard has plenty of headroom (as do pci slots in the case of a pci scsi adapter, if it is a single drive).

just a way for the manf to make money. in fact a lot of the first sata hdds were just pata hdds with a contoller adapter, now i think other features are being added, but nothing worth writing home about. and burst speed doesn't mean sh!t.

you did not make a mistake about buying a pata. look how long floppy connectors have been on. the only thing i am really surprised about is the agp slot being on the way out, which is total b.s. because even the 7800gtx wouldn't use all the bandwidth of a agp 8x slot. total marketing sh@t.
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You're being a little paranoid. SATA is a good thing and if drive1 and drive2 have the same preformance, then wheen chooseing you'll want the one that uses SATA. Youre talking about sustained transfers. realize that burst rates are much higher, thats why i said "The drive preformance themselves have little to do with the interface they use to talk to the MoBo."

When doing RAID this changed and ATA100 becomes more than a little. i would assume a %10 gain on average in preformance over ATA100 to SATA1 when raid0ing. Tnen you goto 4 drives and you want to be sure to go SATA. Its just for future drives and for trying to slow the tightening bottleneck that is the hard drive.

PCI-e was needed. AGP would be saturated by this time in two years. People keep their mobo for longer than that, unless they like upgradeing constantly and are rich. PCI-e does more than AGP and is more flexable. This is not some rip off the hardware industry is pawning on us.

By the way, nothing againt OCZ, but buying anything based on how good their return or support policy is backwards. Buy on how little you NEED that support.
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not paranoid, just realistic. and i was talking about 1 hdd. also what do burst speeds matter anyway? please explain that to me because when i move a 5GB file, it doesn't contantly burst, it just moves at 55MB/s.

and again i wasn't talking about raid, just a single drive situation.

pci-e may have been needed, but not now and forcing everybody to is ridiculous. maybe now we will keep out computers longer but in the past i have updated ~every 18mos, but maybe that is just me. i would rather adopt the new technology after it has had the bugs worked out and getting all that the sataII or sata3Gb/s offers, not just this bs that they are offering now.

and as far as buying equipment based on how good they are when the sh!t goes south is a major contributing factor for me. say you buy $300 worth of ram and something happens and it takes a sh!t, would you rather the company say f*ck you or say, hey, no problem, we will take care of that no questions asked. i would take the latter. why does everybody now recommend seagate hdds so much lately? because of their 5yr warranty and no other reason because they all pretty much perform withing 5% of each other. i don't know how long you have building computers but you will see one day that a company will tell you to f*ck off and too bad even though you put paid hard earned $$$ for their product. besids, ocz has any type of ram i could desire and with the tech/rma support they have to boot, it makes is that much of a better product.
 
Originally posted by: Valkerie
Originally posted by: aeternitas
Originally posted by: bob4432
the bandwidth of today hdds str is only ~55MB/s, and the raptor might be ~60MB/s, hell even u320 15krpm hdds have a str of 80-90MB/s so the ata100 standard has plenty of headroom (as do pci slots in the case of a pci scsi adapter, if it is a single drive).

just a way for the manf to make money. in fact a lot of the first sata hdds were just pata hdds with a contoller adapter, now i think other features are being added, but nothing worth writing home about. and burst speed doesn't mean sh!t.

you did not make a mistake about buying a pata. look how long floppy connectors have been on. the only thing i am really surprised about is the agp slot being on the way out, which is total b.s. because even the 7800gtx wouldn't use all the bandwidth of a agp 8x slot. total marketing sh@t.
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You're being a little paranoid. SATA is a good thing and if drive1 and drive2 have the same preformance, then wheen chooseing you'll want the one that uses SATA. Youre talking about sustained transfers. realize that burst rates are much higher, thats why i said "The drive preformance themselves have little to do with the interface they use to talk to the MoBo."

When doing RAID this changed and ATA100 becomes more than a little. i would assume a %10 gain on average in preformance over ATA100 to SATA1 when raid0ing. Tnen you goto 4 drives and you want to be sure to go SATA. Its just for future drives and for trying to slow the tightening bottleneck that is the hard drive.

PCI-e was needed. AGP would be saturated by this time in two years. People keep their mobo for longer than that, unless they like upgradeing constantly and are rich. PCI-e does more than AGP and is more flexable. This is not some rip off the hardware industry is pawning on us.
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Unreal Engine 3.0 will be taking advantage of both AGP 8x and PCI-e graphics technologies. However, ultimately, PCI-e will become an open standard over AGP graphisc technology. Don't expect to see AGP in the standard market 5 years from now.

If your motherboard supports SATA, and you got an IDE drive, you made a mistake. They primarily cost about the same. In fact, if you have support for SATA I/O, you made an even bigger mistake. But no shame here, people learn differently. I'd just suggest you put your nickels in for some SATA technology, or even SCSI if you're desperate.
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5 years - hell i will have probably built 3 new machines in that time. plus in 5 yrs the current chipsets won't even be made and pci-e will probably 'evolve' into something different causing another 'superior' interface to take over.
 
to the OP - you didn't make any mistake choosing a pata hdd, period. it will perform equal to its sata counterpart at the moment.
 
Originally posted by: ValkerieIf your motherboard supports SATA, and you got an IDE drive, you made a mistake. They primarily cost about the same. In fact, if you have support for SATA I/O, you made an even bigger mistake. But no shame here, people learn differently. I'd just suggest you put your nickels in for some SATA technology, or even SCSI if you're desperate.
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I disagree. You are fine with a SATA drive. You won't notice any performance difference with a current generation PATA model unless you are RAIDing several drives. SATA is primarily useful for the cables at this point, as many have said. Furthermore, you are definately wrong about the price. They may cost ~ the same if you just walk into a random store and pick a drive off the shelf then and there, but if you are shopping around and looking for good deals (see hot deals forum), you will find that there are next to no deals on SATA drives whereas you can get a 160GB PATA for $40 AR.

OP, your PATA drive will do fine for you. Don't worry about it.

 
Originally posted by: aeternitas
The drive preformance themselves have little to do with the interface they use to talk to the MoBo. ATA100 and SATA150 are just how wide the info channel is. If the info on the highway isnt even saturating ATA100 in 98% of situation, it just doesnt matter. SATA is a new and better standard for future hard drives and Mobo cobinations. Its better to get a SATA drive for futureproofing, not preformance.
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QFT
 
Originally posted by: Valkerie
Unreal Engine 3.0 will be taking advantage of both AGP 8x and PCI-e graphics technologies. However, ultimately, PCI-e will become an open standard over AGP graphisc technology. Don't expect to see AGP in the standard market 5 years from now.

If your motherboard supports SATA, and you got an IDE drive, you made a mistake. They primarily cost about the same. In fact, if you have support for SATA I/O, you made an even bigger mistake. But no shame here, people learn differently. I'd just suggest you put your nickels in for some SATA technology, or even SCSI if you're desperate.
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I hope your not talking to me.. becuase if you were, you need to read my other posts.
 
Originally posted by: bob4432
not paranoid, just realistic. and i was talking about 1 hdd. also what do burst speeds matter anyway? please explain that to me because when i move a 5GB file, it doesn't contantly burst, it just moves at 55MB/s.

and again i wasn't talking about raid, just a single drive situation.

pci-e may have been needed, but not now and forcing everybody to is ridiculous. maybe now we will keep out computers longer but in the past i have updated ~every 18mos, but maybe that is just me. i would rather adopt the new technology after it has had the bugs worked out and getting all that the sataII or sata3Gb/s offers, not just this bs that they are offering now.

and as far as buying equipment based on how good they are when the sh!t goes south is a major contributing factor for me. say you buy $300 worth of ram and something happens and it takes a sh!t, would you rather the company say f*ck you or say, hey, no problem, we will take care of that no questions asked. i would take the latter. why does everybody now recommend seagate hdds so much lately? because of their 5yr warranty and no other reason because they all pretty much perform withing 5% of each other. i don't know how long you have building computers but you will see one day that a company will tell you to f*ck off and too bad even though you put paid hard earned $$$ for their product. besids, ocz has any type of ram i could desire and with the tech/rma support they have to boot, it makes is that much of a better product.
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Paranoid: Yes
Realistic: No

I dont think Im alone when i ask "wtf are you talking about 'forced' to use PCIe?" Who the hell is forceing you into PCIe? or anyone? FOR ANYTHING?? Notice, again, (second time now) i said its a "little" differance. When you copy that "5GB" file, it bursts the first fraction. No its not a big issue, its a "little" (third time now) improvement that saturates and beyond ATA100 on some drives.


"say you buy $300 worth of ram and something happens and it takes a sh!t, would you rather the company say f*ck you or say, hey, no problem" .. blah blah blah
Ah, i rather have the RAM work. That was the point.. went over your head as you let a little fit clog your judgement there. Ive been building system for the last decade. Yes, my epeen is bigger than yours. (yawn)

I really cant fathom why youre so angry about evolving technology. Perhaps your lack of understanding how society has evolved the industry to come out with things a cirtain way. You remind me of the guys that keep saying "1Ghz is far too much anyway."


 
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