Are Republicans turning America socialist?

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http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/18/is-rush-limbaughs-country-gone/

Not only does a plurality (49-43) of young people hold a favorable view of socialism — and, by a tiny margin (47-46), a negative view of capitalism — so do liberal Democrats, who view socialism positively by a solid 59-33; and African Americans, 55-36. Hispanics are modestly opposed, 49-44, to socialism, but they hold decisively negative attitudes toward capitalism, 55-32.



Well, once again I nailed it. I have been saying for years that the extremist Republican views are actually turning off Americans and are turning public opinion against Capitalism.

When Reagan said greed is good he let loose the radicals culminating in the right wing applauding the death of people who don't have health insurance.
The constant propaganda about how the rich are "job creators" and how 47 percent are takers has pushed people to the view that capitalism hates workers and indeed anyone who is not rich. When you constantly tell people there is something wrong with them if they are not wealthy people are not going to take it well. When you constantly tell people they should earn less money and that if they don't have health insurance its their own fault, people will look to another philosophy. And they are looking at socialism.

The incredibly stupid Fox News pushed the idea that Obama was a socialist for the last 4 years. All that did was bring on a debate as the proper role of government. And the extremist Republican views have driven people away.

America has always been socialist since governments are by their nature socialist. Reminding people of that has been the best thing for those who want a debate on the role of government. And, quite frankly, socialism has been very, very good for America.

The Repubicans are not content to merely shoot themselves in the foot. They are doubling down and shooting the other foot, too.
 

Matt1970

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Romney and the Republicans turned people towards socialism? I didn't think anyone could be this stupid.

Read the WHOLE article, not just what suits your political agenda.

The poll, published Wednesday, found that while Americans overall tend to oppose socialism by a strong margin -- 60 percent say they have a negative view of it, versus just 31 percent who say they have a positive view -- socialism has more fans than opponents among the 18-29 crowd. Forty-nine percent of people in that age bracket say they have a positive view of socialism; only 43 percent say they have a negative view.
 

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Romney and the Republicans turned people towards socialism? I didn't think anyone could be this stupid.

Read the WHOLE article, not just what suits your political agenda.

People who think they will benefit from socialism (ie people without money, which would include plenty of 18-29 ;)) favor it.

People who think socialism will hurt oppose it.

This would agree with Reagan saying: "Greed is good" ;)
 

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Romney and the Republicans turned people towards socialism? I didn't think anyone could be this stupid.

Read the WHOLE article, not just what suits your political agenda.
wtf type of nonsense are you posting? The article clearly says its young people who now support socialism over capitalism.
Even the thread title says "turning" not "is"
 
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Matt1970

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wtf type of nonsense are you posting? The article clearly says its young people who now support socialism over capitalism.
Even the thread title says "turning" not "is"

Nice try. Your title and commentary suggest America as whole, but that is FAR from the truth.

wtf type of nonsense are you posting?

If that isn't the irony of the month coming from someone like you.
 

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Nice try. Your title and commentary suggest America as whole, but that is FAR from the truth.



If that isn't the irony of the month coming from someone like you.

BUT WAIT.
I can show links to eleven billion web sites that claim Obama's election was proof America had turned socialist.

Damn it you right wing nutjobs. Get your talking points straight!
 

mect

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One thing that is strange to me is this view that one or the other (capitalism or socialism) is either good or bad. The pure form of either one is bad, the right balance between the two is good. The purpose of capitalism is to motivate through competition. The purpose behind socialism is to prevent people from abusing the system and to provide a level of equality and to make society better in general. It isn't about socialism vs capitalism, its about balance.
 

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One thing that is strange to me is this view that one or the other (capitalism or socialism) is either good or bad. The pure form of either one is bad, the right balance between the two is good. The purpose of capitalism is to motivate through competition. The purpose behind socialism is to prevent people from abusing the system and to provide a level of equality and to make society better in general. It isn't about socialism vs capitalism, its about balance.

This.

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Paul98

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One thing that is strange to me is this view that one or the other (capitalism or socialism) is either good or bad. The pure form of either one is bad, the right balance between the two is good. The purpose of capitalism is to motivate through competition. The purpose behind socialism is to prevent people from abusing the system and to provide a level of equality and to make society better in general. It isn't about socialism vs capitalism, its about balance.

Basically this, we need a combination as clearly a pure version of ether is terrible.
 

lotus503

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Basically this, we need a combination as clearly a pure version of ether is terrible.

Exactly just as we need hybrid economic theory, we need to use the best that capitalism and other mechanisms have to offer.
 

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One thing that is strange to me is this view that one or the other (capitalism or socialism) is either good or bad. The pure form of either one is bad, the right balance between the two is good. The purpose of capitalism is to motivate through competition. The purpose behind socialism is to prevent people from abusing the system and to provide a level of equality and to make society better in general. It isn't about socialism vs capitalism, its about balance.

Add me to the list of those who agree with you.
Unfortunately you have one side that only wants thier way, pure capitalism, and it is turning people off to it.
 

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We have never had laissez-faire capitalism or communism. What we have now is soft fascism/economic (inter)nationalism, but it is not as bad as more public property would be.

However, once the eugenics movement and extreme colonialism are brought back, it will be hard fascism.

The minds behind the Constitution were economic fascists, so we've had regulations and bureaucracy more than taxes since 1791.
 

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We have never had laissez-faire capitalism or communism. What we have now is soft fascism/economic (inter)nationalism, but it is not as bad as more public property would be.

pre-french revolution was very close to pure form capitalism

but not even in URSS they reached close to a pure communism
 

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Of course Dems are socialist because the corrupted colleges and media made them that way. Soviet defectors have described how they poisoned education and media to turn against America and get people to think like Marxists without even realizing it (thats what's going on with Obama and Dems now - they are clearly a Marxist party admit it or not)

Here is quote from one defector about ideological subversion or "active measures"..


"Ideological subversion is the process which is legitimate overt and open, you can see it with your own eyes. All you can do, all Americans needs to do is to unplug their bananas from their ears, open up their eyes and they can see. There is no mystery. It has nothing to do with espionage. I know that espionage and intelligence gathering looks more romantic, it sells more to the audience through the advertising, probably. That's why your Hollywood producers are so crazy about James Bond type of thrillers. But in reality, the main emphasis of the KGB is not in the area of intelligence at all. According to my opinion and the opinion of many defectors of my caliber, only about fifteen percent of time, money and manpower is spent on espionage as such. The other eighty-five percent is a slow process which we call either ideological subversion or active measures, or psychological warfare. What it basically means is, to change the perception of reality, of every American, to such an extent that despite an abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their family, their community and their country."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlpODYhnPEo
 

Socio

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Not only does a plurality (49-43) of young people hold a favorable view of socialism — and, by a tiny margin (47-46), a negative view of capitalism

That is the Liberal public education system at work, they are simply regurgitating what they are told.

Reminds me of a Winston Churchill quote;

“If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.”
 
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We will convince techs to stop posting left wing threads when you stop posting, period.

My posts have discussion and actual meaning and relevance, just because you disagree with them doesn't mean you are right

If you dont like my posts then why dont you just ignore me? You constantly whine about me yet you keep responding to my posts:confused: