Are Republicans Nazis ?

[sportage]

I ask because we have schools across America, within republican ran states ran by republican legislators ran by republican school boards who are actively engaged in the banning of books. And don't be fooled, there is a direct connection between Nazi Germany and the banning of books, no matter where it takes place or who is doing the banning.

Iowa is the perfect example of republican ran school boards actively engaged in book banning within school libraries. But here is the unimaginable now taking place going beyond the school, now the same republican school boards are targeting books within public libraries. Just going after the banning of books within the school library wasn't enough for these Nazis, oh no.... now they target the public libraries. THE PUBLIC LIBRARY. It is now time that we call this for what it is, the Nazis agenda. And it is now time that we call the people who seek this agenda for what they truly are, Nazis.
And so, I ask, we must all now ask, are republicans in truth Nazis?

FYI, here is a list of only some of the books targeted by these Nazis.
"All Boys Aren’t Blue: A Memoir-Manifesto" by George M Johnson.
"Me, Earl, and the Dying Girl" by Jesse Andrews.
"The Absolutely True Diary of a Part-time Indian" by Sherman Alexie

 

[alien42]

Republicans aren't Nazis, you should be asking if they are fascists.

 

[IronWing]

Republicans aren't Nazis, you should be asking if they are fascists.

Some Republicans are self-identified neo-Nazis. Others, like Stephen Miller, are still in the closet.

 

[Jaskalas]

Republicans aren't Nazis, you should be asking if they are fascists.

Yes.

Although, anyone engaged in war.... in conflict to defeat the "other", how would they be distinguished from a fascist?

 

[alien42]

Yes.

Although, anyone engaged in war.... in conflict to defeat the "other", how would they be distinguished from a fascist?

Well, for starters, fascists stand against liberal democracy which includes free and fair elections.

 

[woolfe9998]

Without over generalizing, I would simply say yes, the bulk of them are fascists. Some are perhaps too confused and befuddled by misinformation to have ill intent. Others know exactly what they're doing.

 

[rommelrommel]

Even fascism is a bit too specific to characterise what’s going on imo.

Authoritarian, anti-democratic, and a mixed bag of racism and classism. There’s so little philosophy attached to it other than fuck you, we are in charge.

 

[woolfe9998]

Even fascism is a bit too specific to characterise what’s going on imo.

Authoritarian, anti-democratic, and a mixed bag of racism and classism. There’s so little philosophy attached to it other than fuck you, we are in charge.

Well, it's actually frightfully close to historic fascist movements, including those of Germany, Italy and Spain. Animated by racism, xenophobia and nativism, as well as rampant hatred of the political left. Intensely nationalistic. Trump, who is clearly their uncontested leader, has about 23 of 25 personality traits identified by academics decades ago as characteristics of a fascist leader. Trump does not have a well developed political philosophy as did Hitler, but Trump's followers are close to Hitler's followers in every way that matters.

 

[blackangst1]

I think it might be time to review the Nazi manefesto.

The Nazi Party 25 Points (1920) - document extract (alphahistory.com)

The good things about the Nazi manefesto (obviously cherry picked)

All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.

We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalisation of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.

The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child labour, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sports obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.

Of course, the rest is terrifying. None of which the Republican party is pushing.BOTH parties push for government run things (read: the state) and government control.

 

[Captante]

Well, it's actually frightfully close to historic fascist movements, including those of Germany, Italy and Spain. Animated by racism, xenophobia and nativism, as well as rampant hatred of the political left. Intensely nationalistic. Trump, who is clearly their uncontested leader, has about 23 of 25 personality traits identified by academics decades ago as characteristics of a fascist leader. Trump does not have a well developed political philosophy as did Hitler, but Trump's followers are close to Hitler's followers in every way that matters.

And this is where the pi$$-poor education in history most Americans have been given really bites us in the rear. How many voters here do you think actually know who the German WWII Nazi's were or even what a fascist is?

Why do you suppose the GOP and Trump like it that way so much?

At the moment America is swirling in the bowl.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

No

 

[pauldun170]

I think it might be time to review the Nazi manefesto.

The Nazi Party 25 Points (1920) - document extract (alphahistory.com)

The good things about the Nazi manefesto (obviously cherry picked)


Of course, the rest is terrifying. None of which the Republican party is pushing.BOTH parties push for government run things (read: the state) and government control.

The magic of cherry picking and posting select sections to support a point is that everyone misses out on the fun stuff....like Point 4.

Only a member of the race can be a citizen. A member of the race can only be one who is of German blood, without consideration of creed. Consequently, no Jew can be a member of the race.

 

[K1052]

It's only Naziism if it comes from the Bavarian region of Germany. This is just sparkling fascism.

 

[Moonbeam]

The thing I focus on is how tempting and appealing fascism is to me. How would I be able to see it in others without that inner experience.

 

[MrSquished]

The Republicans are a mix of authoritarian fascists, oligarchs and some theocracy lovers.

Quite a few of them would happily turn on the ovens if they were told the ovens were filled with illegal brown people or communist liberals. And then a majority of the rest would be ok with it or pretend to be ignorant to it. Like some of our resident 'moderate' GQP'ers, being willfully and purposely ignorant that there is any attack by their preferred party on our democracy.

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[m8d]

I ask because we have schools across America, within republican ran states ran by republican legislators ran by republican school boards who are actively engaged in the banning of books. And don't be fooled, there is a direct connection between Nazi Germany and the banning of books, no matter where it takes place or who is doing the banning.

Iowa is the perfect example of republican ran school boards actively engaged in book banning within school libraries. But here is the unimaginable now taking place going beyond the school, now the same republican school boards are targeting books within public libraries. Just going after the banning of books within the school library wasn't enough for these Nazis, oh no.... now they target the public libraries. THE PUBLIC LIBRARY. It is now time that we call this for what it is, the Nazis agenda. And it is now time that we call the people who seek this agenda for what they truly are, Nazis.
And so, I ask, we must all now ask, are republicans in truth Nazis?

FYI, here is a list of only some of the books targeted by these Nazis.
"All Boys Aren’t Blue: A Memoir-Manifesto" by George M Johnson.
"Me, Earl, and the Dying Girl" by Jesse Andrews.
"The Absolutely True Diary of a Part-time Indian" by Sherman Alexie

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

 

[woolfe9998]

I think it might be time to review the Nazi manefesto.

The Nazi Party 25 Points (1920) - document extract (alphahistory.com)

The good things about the Nazi manefesto (obviously cherry picked)


Of course, the rest is terrifying. None of which the Republican party is pushing. BOTH parties push for government run things (read: the state) and government control.

This is not at all a useful comparison. The particular policies are mired in events pertinent to that time period and nation. So, take the first one on that list.

We demand the unification of all Germans in the Greater Germany on the basis of the right of self-determination of peoples.

At that time, there was another nation of Germans, called Austria. There were also whole regions of western Poland and western Czechoslovakia dominated by German speakers. The Nazis wanted them all united under one flag. This is obviously inapplicable to America today. As are many of the other issues.

Also, these policies were formulated mainly by Alfred Drexler, the original founder of the party, in 1920. Many of these policies changed under actual Nazi rule. So, for example, the original founder took the "socialism" in National Socialism more seriously than did Hitler. Under Hitler's rule, the Nazis sided with the industrialists because they needed them for war production, and smashed the trade unions.

It's more useful to examine the core philosophy. Hatred of liberalism in all its forms: equality, modernity, cosmopolitism, internationalism, science. Hatred of anyone not like oneself. Authoritarianism based on a cult of personality surrounding a charismatic leader. And very intense nationalism. When you understand that this is the core of fascism, the comparison is spot on with the current American right, and only the American right.

 

[shortylickens]

This is a Nazi:

This is a Republican:

 

[blackangst1]

The magic of cherry picking and posting select sections to support a point is that everyone misses out on the fun stuff....like Point 4.

Yes which is why I said:

The good things about the Nazi manefesto (obviously cherry picked)

Of course, the rest is terrifying.

 

[IronWing]

The thing I focus on is how tempting and appealing fascism is to me. How would I be able to see it in others without that inner experience.

It's the snazzy uniforms.

 

[pmv]

Seems to have become functionally a fascist party. Looks as if that's the historical role it's looking to play. Which certainly doesn't mean every single person in it (presently) is an ideologically committed fascist.
There may even be a smattering of actual Nazis in there, but they would be a tiny fringe.
I would say it's being driven to play a fascist role by the economic and cultural conditions of the US.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

The Republicans are a mix of authoritarian fascists, oligarchs and some theocracy lovers.

Sounds like nazis

 

[pmv]

This is not at all a useful comparison. The particular policies are mired in events pertinent to that time period and nation. So, take the first one on that list.



At that time, there was another nation of Germans, called Austria. There were also whole regions of western Poland and western Czechoslovakia dominated by German speakers. The Nazis wanted them all united under one flag. This is obviously inapplicable to America today. As are many of the other issues.

Also, these policies were formulated mainly by Alfred Drexler, the original founder of the party, in 1920. Many of these policies changed under actual Nazi rule. So, for example, the original founder took the "socialism" in National Socialism more seriously than did Hitler. Under Hitler's rule, the Nazis sided with the industrialists because they needed them for war production, and smashed the trade unions.

It's more useful to examine the core philosophy. Hatred of liberalism in all its forms: equality, modernity, cosmopolitism, internationalism, science. Hatred of anyone not like oneself. Authoritarianism based on a cult of personality surrounding a charismatic leader. And very intense nationalism. When you understand that this is the core of fascism, the comparison is spot on with the current American right, and only the American right.

Yeah, exactly. Fear of change and a deep distrust of democracy are in there as well. Plus some sort of weird insecurity about masculinity.

What's much less present in the US version is anti-Semitism. Which only seems to be there at the fringes of the Republicans. But maybe for that you can substitute racism against black people? They have a different selection of 'enemies'. Not really much point pushing hostility to 'Slavs' in a US context.

 

[Moonbeam]

Seems to have become functionally a fascist party. Looks as if that's the historical role it's looking to play. Which certainly doesn't mean every single person in it (presently) is an ideologically committed fascist.
There may even be a smattering of actual Nazis in there, but they would be a tiny fringe.
I would say it's being driven to play a fascist role by the economic and cultural conditions of the US.

I think it's what drives all fascism, inner emptiness papered over by belonging to a group dedicated to getting even, a core group of herd animals jacking themselves up to overcome their individual cowardliness.

 

[Moonbeam]

Hatred of anyone not like oneself.

Thank God nobody in this forum is like that.