Are Obama's intentions in Libya really humanitarian?

[Anarchist420]

I don't think so. Too many civilians will be killed or raped by Federalist forces. That's what happens in war.

Whether he's smart enough to know and consider that or not is what I'm asking.

Also, will it turn into a ground war? Why or why not? I doubt that it won't, as the no fly zone is just a setup to get our planes blown up or to trigger something here, so we can do a ground invasion.

In fact, I won't be surprised if a draft doesn't come soon.

 

[feralkid]

Seeing as this action coincides with Robonakah, it is obviously all about the precious lug-nuts.

 

[KGB]

I don't think so. Too many civilians will be killed or raped by Federalist forces. That's what happens in war.

Whether he's smart enough to know and consider that or not is what I'm asking.

Also, will it turn into a ground war? Why or why not? I doubt that it won't, as the no fly zone is just a setup to get our planes blown up or to trigger something here, so we can do a ground invasion.

In fact, I won't be surprised if a draft doesn't come soon.

I assume you're a 4-F?

 

[Nintendesert]

The draft? Damn, it must suck living your life as a to the bone chicken-shit afraid of every little world skirmish if anyone is afraid of a draft.

 

[HomerJS]

BREAKING NEWS................

Anarchist420 has developed telepathic powers enabling him to descern the motives of the President of the United States.

 

[llee]

I don't think so. Too many civilians will be killed or raped by Federalist forces. That's what happens in war.

So Obama wants to fight in Libya so US troops can get some pussy?

Also, will it turn into a ground war? Why or why not? I doubt that it won't

Double Negatives -_-

the no fly zone is just a setup to get our planes blown up or to trigger something here, so we can do a ground invasion.

Why would the US want to intervene on the ground? It would only reinforce an image of the world's 'policeman'.

In fact, I won't be surprised if a draft doesn't come soon.

There wasn't a draft in the Kosovo War, Gulf War I, Gulf War II, nor the war in Aghanistan. What makes you think a civil conflict in Libya would require one?

 

[Doppel]

In fact, I won't be surprised if a draft doesn't come soon.

Do you not realize that when you say ridiculous nonsense like this it makes it hard to take the rest of your arguments seriously? I sure don't.

 

[speg]

Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte told journalists at the summit in Paris that he believed British, French and Canadian aircraft would launch the first airstrikes, the BBC's Carole Walker in Paris reports.

You guys just need to lob some cruise missles in there, or something. No need for this to get messier than it needs to be.

 

[Brainonska511]

Do you not realize that when you say ridiculous nonsense like this it makes it hard to take the rest of your arguments seriously? I sure don't.

Have you read any of his posts? It's hard to take anything he says seriously.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

BREAKING NEWS................

Anarchist420 has developed telepathic powers enabling him to descern the motives of the President of the United States.

lol, especially since it seems even BHO doesn't know what he wants to do with the situation. He's been AWOL on this issue until yesterday and it's still not clear what the position is.

 

[HomerJS]

lol, especially since it seems even BHO doesn't know what he wants to do with the situation. He's been AWOL on this issue until yesterday and it's still not clear what the position is.

I see many people bitching why we waited so long to do something. It took almost 6 months from Saddam's invasion into Kuwait before the first coalition forces started bombing Iraq.

The United States and the west have to keep our footprint on this as small as possible to maintain credibility in the Arab world.

The fact the U.N. resolution and approval from the Arab League(required) happened so quickly proves we have been working on this early.

Try thinking first and typing second. It would be better for you.

 

[Doppel]

Have you read any of his posts? It's hard to take anything he says seriously.

But I want to, I really do. I try.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Try thinking first and typing second. It would be better for you.

I and others don't buy your BS rationalization on this. BHO didn't show leadership like a Prez should do in these situations and even now we still don't know.

 

[Rainsford]

I and others don't buy your BS rationalization on this. BHO didn't show leadership like a Prez should do in these situations and even now we still don't know.

I'm not sure the answer for how we should deal with the problem in Libya is obvious or simple. And while it's important for Presidents to be decisive, I'm not sure what specifically President Obama could do differently in this situation. And given that your criticism is pretty vague about that, I'm not sure you know either.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

I'm not sure the answer for how we should deal with the problem in Libya is obvious or simple. And while it's important for Presidents to be decisive, I'm not sure what specifically President Obama could do differently in this situation. And given that your criticism is pretty vague about that, I'm not sure you know either.

Sure, I'm not sure we need to do anything, but my comments on BHO and his regime is that it looks like they were caught off guard and have no plan for the situation. There was no projection of America knowing what it was doing -which is a must no matter what the actual decision is. As it appears now, is that we are just being led around by the UN and other allies instead of leading even though we will be relied on the most(as history has shown).

 

[sunzt]

Sure, I'm not sure we need to do anything, but my comments on BHO and his regime is that it looks like they were caught off guard and have no plan for the situation. There was no projection of America knowing what it was doing -which is a must no matter what the actual decision is. As it appears now, is that we are just being led around by the UN and other allies instead of leading even though we will be relied on the most(as history has shown).

so you want the US to not only just play a support role as they have said, but to take a lead offensive role? What about send in ground troops? So you want the world to view this as a US lead war on another Arab country? BTW we are broke so we should inherently limit our participation.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

so you want the US to not only just play a support role as they have said, but to take a lead offensive role? What about send in ground troops? So you want the world to view this as a US lead war on another Arab country? BTW we are broke so we should inherently limit our participation.

You didn't read my post.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I don't think so. Too many civilians will be killed or raped by Federalist forces. That's what happens in war.

Whether he's smart enough to know and consider that or not is what I'm asking.

Also, will it turn into a ground war? Why or why not? I doubt that it won't, as the no fly zone is just a setup to get our planes blown up or to trigger something here, so we can do a ground invasion.

In fact, I won't be surprised if a draft doesn't come soon.

Are you as big of an idiot as you appear to be?
Do you read so little about that part of the world or the UN resolution that you casnnot comprehend?
First of all the US is not taking the lead on this. The French and our other allies are taking the lead.
WE are in a sopport role.
As far as ground troops go - NO!! We will not be nor will our allies be sending ground troops.
Now don`t get me wrong -- the British special forces and US special forces and other countries special forces are probably already in Libya. But that is mainly to assist the citizens of other countries to get out!!

God I just love when you post Anarchist!! Mainly because you make Lemon Law seem like a normal person!!

 

[sunzt]

You didn't read my post.

Do you want the US to take a lead role or not?

 

[Aegeon]

Sure, I'm not sure we need to do anything, but my comments on BHO and his regime is that it looks like they were caught off guard and have no plan for the situation. There was no projection of America knowing what it was doing -which is a must no matter what the actual decision is. As it appears now, is that we are just being led around by the UN and other allies instead of leading even though we will be relied on the most(as history has shown).

Given the reality that Libya has a weak air force, there is a strong likelihood that the other partners will play a substantial role in these military operations.

There are huge political benefits, including politically within Libya, for this being a UN authorized operation with a variety of partners so Quadhafi can't plausibly claim this is really a US invasion like in Iraq and potentially get more internal support.

You appear to be making your claims with no evidence to support your points other than very vague assertions. (I don't like Obama so I will assume whatever he is doing is stupid and foolish is not a very convincing argument.)

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Do you want the US to take a lead role or not?

As it appears now, is that we are just being led around by the UN and other allies instead of leading even though we will be relied on the most(as history has shown).

So to dumb it down for you - Our appearance is what I am talking about. We look like we're being led around. But if history is our guide - we will be heavily relied upon by the UN to do the work.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Given the reality that Libya has a weak air force, there is a strong likelihood that the other partners will play a substantial role in these military operations.

There are huge political benefits, including politically within Libya, for this being a UN authorized operation with a variety of partners so Quadhafi can't plausibly claim this is really a US invasion like in Iraq and potentially get more internal support.

You appear to be making your claims with no evidence to support your points other than very vague assertions. (I don't like Obama so I will assume whatever he is doing is stupid and foolish is not a very convincing argument.)

lol, you can ASSume more than what I've stated but it doesn't change my post or position which is about APPEARANCE.
I don't disagree that having it not just us is good, but it also shouldn't appear as though we are just following along - which is what it looks like.

 

[sunzt]

So to dumb it down for you - Our appearance is what I am talking about. We look like we're being led around. But if history is our guide - we will be heavily relied upon by the UN to do the work.

I disagree. If anything, the obama admin has been leading the effort to get the UN authorization and participation from its members along with getting Arab support. He made clear his stance that the US cannot send troops and wanted others to "take the lead", which is what we're seeing now with France, Britain, and Canada getting involved with their militaries. The DOD has obviously been looking at how the US and its allies could get involved for some time now and you have seen the positions of allies and US assets in the regions shifting and preparing in anticipation of a UN vote.

Obama had a clear strategy and stance for any Libyan military action: Assemble a UN mandated unilateral coalition, especially Arab support, that will actually take military action with the US in a support role.

 

[speg]

1748: French aircraft have destroyed four Libyan tanks in air strikes to the south-west of Benghazi, Al-Jazeera television has reported.

 

[Aegeon]

lol, you can ASSume more than what I've stated but it doesn't change my post or position which is about APPEARANCE.
I don't disagree that having it not just us is good, but it also shouldn't appear as though we are just following along - which is what it looks like.

Given the clear political benefits I articulated for the US not appearing too prominent, you appear to have given no explanation for your position other than perhaps a vague sense of national pride (applied in a foolish manner.)

So far based on news reports, we are getting direct military help including fighter aircraft assistance from France (including their nuclear powered aircraft carrier moving into position), the UK, Canada, Norway, Spain, Belgium, and the Netherlands. All of these countries have modern fighter aircraft which at least have sufficient updates to be effective in both their aerial and ground attack roles. We also have strong reason to believe other countries will be contributing militarily, we just don't have specifics from news reports on what they are going to be doing as of yet.

I'm not merely making assumptions here, although obviously I can't perfectly predict the future or have access to secret intel sources to give me more info regarding the intent of every potential nation in question who may get involved.