Are most people misinformed about free banking?

Anarchist420

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I'd say yes. Martin Van Buren and laissez-faire capitalism are smeared by mainstream historians.

Anyway, the boom bust cycle wasn't naturally as bad from the time SBUS was abolished to the time the National Banking Acts were enacted compared to the Federal Reserve.

When you have a central bank, the whole economy gets fucked up. When you had the panic of 1857, only the North got screwed, because banks in the north had looser credit policies than the ones in the south. Some southern states (e.g., LA) mandated a constantly high reserve ratio for banks in their states.

Mainstream Historians don't really like to admit that the Free banking era wasn't really free--there were inadequate state laws against fraud, many states (mostly in the North) reducing the reserve ratios that banks could operate on, and state-level precursors to the FDIC, which serves as a huge incentive for bad banks. Also, IL chartered its own state bank, IIRC, and some other northern states screwed up their economies from borrowing too much in failed attempts to build public railroads. IL was especially in debt because of that, and they went nowhere.

Basically, the South was, for the most part, fine during the "free banking" era, while the states that would not be part of the Confederacy, were screwed due to state-subsidized industrialization (those states would mandate low reserve ratios, so they could have lower interest rates when they borrowed money for public works projects). The North wanted to invade the South so the North could continue to charge southerners tariffs to build public works projects in the North.

Does it all make sense now?

The Constitution prohibits the Federal government from creating legal tender for private debts anyway. Basically, all the Fed does is serve as a safeguard for banks to loan out peoples' deposits. I don't see how anyone could not find that f***ed-up.
 

sunzt

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I used to have free banking, but opted to go with the 2.5k minimum balance checking since i get any atm fees refunded at any atm, free check reorders, free cashiers checks, and crappy interest.
 

Vette73

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LegendKiller

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What about free checking?

What about free ATMs?

I was in the train station last night and needed money for a cab ride home. There was a Webster, Chase, Wells, and Cap1 ATMs, but no BoA. I went to 3 different ATMs, all had $3 fees. I ended up taking $100 out just to rationalize the $3 fee.

I mean, really, does it cost $3 to transmit some silly information across banking networks? I think not.

The Fed needs to regulate this.
 

MayorOfAmerica

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What about free ATMs?

I was in the train station last night and needed money for a cab ride home. There was a Webster, Chase, Wells, and Cap1 ATMs, but no BoA. I went to 3 different ATMs, all had $3 fees. I ended up taking $100 out just to rationalize the $3 fee.

I mean, really, does it cost $3 to transmit some silly information across banking networks? I think not.

The Fed needs to regulate this.


At least one of my banks offers refunds on all ATM fees, so I tend to use their card in situations like you found yourself in.
 

ichy

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Yes. Stop making thread titles and arguments in the form of "Why doesn't everyone realize I am right about x?" and people will be more inclined to take you seriously.

I don't think anyone will take a guy who calls himself "anarchist420" seriously. How old is the OP, 14?
 

woolfe9999

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Yes. Stop making thread titles and arguments in the form of "Why doesn't everyone realize I am right about x?" and people will be more inclined to take you seriously.

Yes, you put your finger on exactly why he isn't worth replying to. His threads implicitly assume the basic premise - the incontestible correctness of his political ideology, as if everyone agrees with that ideology 100% and he thinks he's preaching to the choir. Perhaps if he actually tried to argue the underlying points instead of assume their innate correctness he could actually generate some discussion.
 

dmcowen674

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What about free ATMs?

I was in the train station last night and needed money for a cab ride home. There was a Webster, Chase, Wells, and Cap1 ATMs, but no BoA. I went to 3 different ATMs, all had $3 fees. I ended up taking $100 out just to rationalize the $3 fee.

I mean, really, does it cost $3 to transmit some silly information across banking networks? I think not.

The Fed needs to regulate this.

$3 where? The ATM's are $5 fee here.
 

fskimospy

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$3 where? The ATM's are $5 fee here.

What do you live in a strip club or a casino? I've never seen someone more aggressively helpless than yourself. If you can't find an ATM that charges less than $5, you either live in a one stoplight town or you're retarded.