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Are Land Rovers any good?

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Greenman

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Looking at an 02 land rover with a 96K on it. The thing has every gadget, bell, and whistle you could get in 02. Other than being loaded with extraneous crap waiting to break, are they reliable? I don't know the first thing about them.
 
They're widely regarded as one of the least reliable brands in the world.

And, since they're a premium brand, they're obscenely expensive to fix. Even the later LR3, which profited from Ford's involvement with slightly better reliability, isn't a good vehicle for someone who doesn't want to spend money on repairs.

Personally, the only Land Rover I'd be interested in is a Defender. The other models are very nice, but not really reliable.

ZV
 
Zenmervolt said:
They're widely regarded as one of the least reliable brands in the world.

And, since they're a premium brand, they're obscenely expensive to fix. Even the later LR3, which profited from Ford's involvement with slightly better reliability, isn't a good vehicle for someone who doesn't want to spend money on repairs.

Personally, the only Land Rover I'd be interested in is a Defender. The other models are very nice, but not really reliable.

ZV
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Bad news.
Are they made in the UK?
 
Greenman said:
Bad news.
Are they made in the UK?
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Yup.

My sister has an LR3 and while it hasn't been horrible with reliability it has been very expensive to maintain. Very nice to be in and drive, but at that price point I'd rather have a Toyota Land Cruiser. It's not as flash, but it's a much more reliable choice (and it's less expensive to fix if repairs are needed).

ZV
 
Greenman said:
Looking at an 02 land rover with a 96K on it. The thing has every gadget, bell, and whistle you could get in 02. Other than being loaded with extraneous crap waiting to break, are they reliable? I don't know the first thing about them.
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Only if you know what you're doing. Given that you're asking these sorts of questions, I'm thinking no.

At like $10K, there's probably a ton of value for a gearhead/DIY guy.
 
Greenman said:
Looking at an 02 land rover with a 96K on it. The thing has every gadget, bell, and whistle you could get in 02. Other than being loaded with extraneous crap waiting to break, are they reliable? I don't know the first thing about them.
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Run away.

Run fast.

Run far.
 
You'd be much better off with an '02 Land Cruiser as Zen suggested. Hell, I'd rather a Grand Cherokee than a Land Rover. At least the parts/mechanic will be A LOT cheaper.
 
Man how did Land Rover fuck this up so much. Their vehicles are astonishing pieces of engineering, but they just don't work 70% of the time. What did they do wrong! So much potential! Someone should make a company that re-hauls Land Rovers and makes them reliable.

Oh and btw, if you are DIY kinda person and want a nice project vehicle, you can get a fully loaded early 2000s Discovery HSE for less than 5k with under 100k miles. These things are a bargain for a DIY person.
 
Really great cars to drive in. Not bad to lease either. Owning outside of warranty? See posts above. 🙂

Do not recommend...
 
British cars aren't what they used to be. Not sure how much I'd trust something made by an Indian automaker.

What do you plan on using it for? Daily driver, hauling people around, light cargo, off roading? Helps us recommend some alternatives.
 
mafia said:
Man how did Land Rover fuck this up so much. Their vehicles are astonishing pieces of engineering, but they just don't work 70% of the time. What did they do wrong! So much potential! Someone should make a company that re-hauls Land Rovers and makes them reliable.

Oh and btw, if you are DIY kinda person and want a nice project vehicle, you can get a fully loaded early 2000s Discovery HSE for less than 5k with under 100k miles. These things are a bargain for a DIY person.
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A friend of mine had a custom tail made for one of his Ducatis and when he took it down to this shop to have it painted (high end custom shop-they were restoring an old Ferrari and had a nice Jaguar XKE and an early 70s Porsche in there too) they were in the process of giving a customer back her Range Rover. They had done some paintwork on it but there was a sensor for the air suspension that was lit up and they couldn't figure out why. They were fucking around with that thing for almost 2 hours, they were still screwing around with it when we left.
 
Didn't Toyota own them for a time? on the wikipedia i do not see them listed:

1948–1967 Rover Company
1967–1968 Leyland Motor Corporation
1968–1986 British Leyland Motor Corporation
1986–2005 Rover Group
2005–2008 Ford Motor Company

Current owner is Tata Motors which i believe is located in India.

FYI, the brand new one that the US Top Gear had was had a leaky moonroof.

My neighbor bought a new one early this year. I feel bad for her.
 
I would only get P38 rover as they are very reliable and lots less expensive to maintain. Get one with the bosch injection vs the earlier lucas units.


Disco 2s arent bad either

oh no air suspension either get the models with regular suspension or you will ahve to convert it eventually.
 
Land Rover went the way of the Hummer and the Jeep. The 1948-1967 was a workhorse and cemented the brand name. Zero features, just a simple, tough machine. You won't see a movie or a documentary about Africa without one in it. The legend grew, just like the WW2 jeep and the Desert storm Hummer.

Then the yuppies attacked. The hummer went from the ultimate off road machine to a crappy body mounted on a Chevy Blazer chassis. The jeep went to hell too. So did the Land Rover, turned it into a luxury car and lost all of the stuff that made it reliable and simple.
 
halik said:
Only if you know what you're doing. Given that you're asking these sorts of questions, I'm thinking no.

At like $10K, there's probably a ton of value for a gearhead/DIY guy.
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I can fix anything, I rebuilt my first engine 40 years ago. The issue is that I don't like doing it, at all. I still work on cars because I'm cheap, not because I enjoy it.


This was a deal that just popped up, a good looking ride in excellent condition that I could probably get a good deal on. But I'm sure as hell not going to buy something that requires me to spend my weekends covered with grease and grime. This was going to be a collage beater for my daughter, having read the opinions here, I'll do a bit more research, but I'll almost certainly pass on the deal.

Thanks for the info.
 
Squeetard said:
Land Rover went the way of the Hummer and the Jeep. The 1948-1967 was a workhorse and cemented the brand name. Zero features, just a simple, tough machine. You won't see a movie or a documentary about Africa without one in it. The legend grew, just like the WW2 jeep and the Desert storm Hummer.

Then the yuppies attacked. The hummer went from the ultimate off road machine to a crappy body mounted on a Chevy Blazer chassis. The jeep went to hell too. So did the Land Rover, turned it into a luxury car and lost all of the stuff that made it reliable and simple.
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The Hummer H3 was an excellent offroad vehicle and the current Wrangler JK is the best Jeep yet.
 
Greenman said:
I can fix anything, I rebuilt my first engine 40 years ago. The issue is that I don't like doing it, at all. I still work on cars because I'm cheap, not because I enjoy it.


This was a deal that just popped up, a good looking ride in excellent condition that I could probably get a good deal on. But I'm sure as hell not going to buy something that requires me to spend my weekends covered with grease and grime. This was going to be a collage beater for my daughter, having read the opinions here, I'll do a bit more research, but I'll almost certainly pass on the deal.

Thanks for the info.
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I still wouldn't do it if I were you IMHO.
 
Squeetard said:
Land Rover went the way of the Hummer and the Jeep. The 1948-1967 was a workhorse and cemented the brand name. Zero features, just a simple, tough machine. You won't see a movie or a documentary about Africa without one in it. The legend grew, just like the WW2 jeep and the Desert storm Hummer.

Then the yuppies attacked. The hummer went from the ultimate off road machine to a crappy body mounted on a Chevy Blazer chassis. The jeep went to hell too. So did the Land Rover, turned it into a luxury car and lost all of the stuff that made it reliable and simple.
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No Jeep has gone to hell, as you say. I agree with the rest of what you said, but the Jeep has always been solid, moreso than ever. Argue brand dilution all you want, every product with the Jeep badge on it is a worthy machine. Even the Patriot and Compass are decent vehicles for what they are. The Wrangler has been the same solid good vehicle for so long it has become horribly outdated due to a lack of molestation on the part of Jeep who have preserved it amazingly well over the years given the pressure to make changes in the industry. People love it for what it is and they've managed to not mess with it, maybe even to a fault.
 
Greenman said:
I can fix anything, I rebuilt my first engine 40 years ago. The issue is that I don't like doing it, at all. I still work on cars because I'm cheap, not because I enjoy it.


This was a deal that just popped up, a good looking ride in excellent condition that I could probably get a good deal on. But I'm sure as hell not going to buy something that requires me to spend my weekends covered with grease and grime. This was going to be a collage beater for my daughter, having read the opinions here, I'll do a bit more research, but I'll almost certainly pass on the deal.

Thanks for the info.
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A college beater and Land Rover is a bad mix. Your daughter will be asking for help with $2,500 repairs for things that would cost you $300 if only you just got her an Accord.
 
If you read Jalopnik at all, you are probably familiar with Doug DeMuro and his Carmax-warrantied Land Rover.

http://jalopnik.com/my-horn-stopped-working-another-carmax-warranty-update-1616487343

The final paragraph is most telling:
The good news is that I returned the Jaguar this morning and picked up my perfectly repaired Range Rover, which now has a new horn set and horn fuses. The total cost for this repair was $229.74 ("a really nice microwave"), of which CarMax picked up all but my $50 deductible. For those of you eagerly keeping track, my $3,899 warranty has now covered $4,870.26 in repairs — and it's only 28 percent complete. And while the car's seven trips to the dealer in 20 months might seem like an inconvenience, I suspect my attitude to this whole thing is largely the same as yours: I can't wait to see what breaks next.
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nerp said:
No Jeep has gone to hell, as you say. I agree with the rest of what you said, but the Jeep has always been solid, moreso than ever. Argue brand dilution all you want, every product with the Jeep badge on it is a worthy machine. Even the Patriot and Compass are decent vehicles for what they are. The Wrangler has been the same solid good vehicle for so long it has become horribly outdated due to a lack of molestation on the part of Jeep who have preserved it amazingly well over the years given the pressure to make changes in the industry. People love it for what it is and they've managed to not mess with it, maybe even to a fault.
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Bullshit. I used to manage a car rental office and the local Jeep dealership was one of my clients. We would always get the same people in over and over again when their piles of shit were in the shop for repairs.

My boss had a Jeep Cherokee as a company car for a couple years. That thing never worked right, electronics were horrible.

They may be better now, I don't know personally, but they used to be utter garbage.
 
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