Are Iraqi's cowards?

[Hugo Drax]

2016 Jeb Bush is elected president, 2017 We re-invade iraq to stop terrorism.

 

[Newell Steamer]

the US spent 10+ yrs and $BILLIONS$ on training Iraq police and military.

The Iraqis never asked for it. Which would mean, they wouldn't be worthy of it, now would they?

So, whats up with the herp-a-derping up in this bitch?

 

[Zebo]

Over the years, Sunni–Shia relations have been marked by both cooperation and conflict. Sectarian violence persists to this day from Pakistan to Yemen and is a major element of friction throughout the Middle East.[5][6] Tensions between communities have intensified during power struggles, such as the Bahraini uprising, the Iraq War, and most recently the Syrian Civil War

Iraq-

Some of the worst sectarian strife ever has occurred after the start of the Iraq War, steadily building up to present

Egypt-

Almost all of Egypt's Muslims are Sunni,[102] but the Syrian Civil War has brought on an increase in anti-Shia rhetoric,[103] and what Human Rights Watch states is "anti-Shia hate speech by Salafis"

Pakistan-

Until recently Shia–Sunni relations have been cordial, and majority of people of both sects participated in the creation the state of Pakistan in 1940s

Lebanon-

Though sectarian tensions in Lebanon were at their height during the Lebanese Civil War, the Shia–Sunni relations were not the main conflict of the war.

United States-

In late 2006 or early 2007, in what journalist Seymour Hersh called The Redirection, the United States changed its policy in the Muslim world, shifting its support from the Shia to the Sunni, with the goal of "containing" Iran and as a by-product bolstering Sunni extremist groups


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shia–Sunni_relations

What was your story again?
How did you become an expert on Islam?

Those brief periods of cooperation to buttress colonialism pale compared to historical facts.

 

[iGas]

Funny that the brave fighters that they are fighting are also Iraqis. IMHO, it is a repeat of the Vietnam war, because the the government fighters are tired of the lying/cheating dictators that are American puppet.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Those brief periods of cooperation to buttress colonialism pale compared to historical facts.

So the opposite of what the wiki says.

Ya, I dunno... I worked with for several years in a workshop with all the different branches of Islam, Hindus, Christians, and we all had a great time together.
I could look outside my apartment window and watch the Burka moms chatting it up with the with the Hijab moms and the normal dressed moms and Hindu moms while their children played together
Maybe I just live in a magical land where people get along

 

[iGas]

They dont really want to be free. If you are not willing to fight and die for freedom, then you dont deserve it. Iraq was a fools errand. When Congress voted to approve the war in Iraq, I sat in my kitchen and I told my wife that as soon as our troops get involved over there that the terrorists will climb out of the woodwork just like cock roaches. Not one more dollar or drop of American Blood should be spilled over there. Bush and his kindler gentler war has been a total failure. The worst part is the idiots like McCain and even a lot of Democrats voted for the war. I think we should round up everyone that voted for this war and hang the lot of them as traitors.

If I recall correctly. The US invaded Iraq over weapon of mass destruction, and al Qaeda was an American creation well after the invasion. IMHO, it wasn't about bring freedom to the poor uneducated Iraqis.

 

[Zebo]

So the opposite of what the wiki says.

Ya, I dunno... I worked with for several years in a workshop with all the different branches of Islam, Hindus, Christians, and we all had a great time together.
I could look outside my apartment window and watch the Burka moms chatting it up with the with the Hijab moms and the normal dressed moms and Hindu moms while their children played together
Maybe I just live in a magical land where people get along

People get along fine until they don't. And one constant since death of prophet is sec plays a pivotal role when they don't. If you read the diplomatic cables there is fundamental long standing distrust up to highest levels.

One interesting thing I observed working in Saudi was Americans are treated better in Saudi than Muslim from say Indonesia who are virtual slaves. This is the so-called most radical of them all. So yeah ppl can get along.

 

[Orignal Earl]

People get along fine until they don't. And one constant since death of prophet is sec plays a pivotal role when they don't. If you read the diplomatic cables there is fundamental long standing distrust up to highest levels.

One interesting thing I observed working in Saudi was Americans are treated better in Saudi than Muslim from say Indonesia who are virtual slaves. This is the so-called most radical of them all. So yeah ppl can get along.

People get along fine, when they are doing fine
Of course there are going to be some people who can never get along and use whatever excuse they can
There is more then a few posters here, whose whole worlds are collapsing because of the black Muslim Liberal Anti-Christ from Kenya in the White House

 

[xj0hnx]

They aren't cowards, they simply have nothing to fight for or anything that is worth being killed over.

Actually, yea, for the most part they are. We fought side by side with them, and there isn't a one I found that I would trust to have my back.

 

[master_shake_]

2016 Jeb Bush is elected president, 2017 We re-invade iraq to stop terrorism.

just replace iraq with iran :whiste:

 

[Orignal Earl]

Actually, yea, for the most part they are. We fought side by side with them, and there isn't a one I found that I would trust to have my back.

You mean the guys that joined up because they needed something to eat and a roof, maybe a light bulb or two when the power was on
Or the ones that knew when the US left this shit was going to happen and they were going to be on their own
Maybe they heard about the Iraqis GHWB told to rise up and then abandoned to the slaughter

Nothing against you and your service, it takes a brave man to join up, even when you got the most powerful force in the world backing you up

 

[Nebor]

You have to want to fight for something. This is why our military indoctrinates "freedom" and Constitution meme into our soldiers all the time.

Most soldiers and marines I know fight for the love of fighting, and for the men to their left and right. "Freedom" and the constitution don't rate when you're in a small river valley in Eastern Afghanistan killing people that are only fighting you because you're in their territory.

 

[xj0hnx]

You mean the guys that joined up because they needed something to eat and a roof, maybe a light bulb or two when the power was on
Or the ones that knew when the US left this shit was going to happen and they were going to be on their own
Maybe they heard about the Iraqis GHWB told to rise up and then abandoned to the slaughter

Nothing against you and your service, it takes a brave man to join up, even when you got the most powerful force in the world backing you up

We could barely get half if them to open there eyes when they were firing their weapon, those that would are usually the ones that one night would just decide to bounce, taking as manny guns as they could care with them. You can try to dress it up however you feel you need to to make yourself feel better, but reality is much different.

 

[Nebor]

2016 Jeb Bush is elected president, 2017 We re-invade iraq to stop terrorism.

So do we get a new campaign medal, or just add an oak leaf cluster to the OIF medal?

 

[Orignal Earl]

We could barely get half if them to open there eyes when they were firing their weapon, those that would are usually the ones that one night would just decide to bounce, taking as manny guns as they could care with them.

When they were fighting the Iranians for some reason they could shoot
It is hard for me to imagine a whole country of cowards.
Especially a country that has been through what Iraq has
I would think there are kids in Iraq with ten times the size of balls then a lot of men from a place like America

You can try to dress it up however you feel you need to to make yourself feel better, but reality is much different.

I don't have a pony in this race
Perhaps your projecting
I suppose it's like when posters tell me I'm actually scared of Islam, and they are the brave ones that stand against Muslims

 

[IndyColtsFan]

If I recall correctly. The US invaded Iraq over weapon of mass destruction, and al Qaeda was an American creation well after the invasion.

Correct, the stated purpose of the invasion was to rid Iraq of weapons of mass destruction. Bush and others did portray us as "liberating" the Iraqi people from the iron grip of Saddam and I think he believed they'd welcome us with open arms. I think most of us knew that wouldn't happen.

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "al Qaeda was an American creation well after the invasion." What I assume you mean is that when the US invaded and found no weapons of mass destruction, THEN Bush started hinting at an alleged Saddam-Al Qaeda link. I think all but the most ignorant people saw through that BS, as Saddam HATED Al Qaeda and Al Qaeda HATED Saddam. I worked with a guy who fell for that hook, line, and sinker and went around telling everyone that Saddam was funding and supporting Al Qaeda. I corrected him multiple times.

 

[CU]

It is hard for me to imagine a whole country of cowards.

What you have never heard of France. JK.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Correct, the stated purpose of the invasion was to rid Iraq of weapons of mass destruction. Bush and others did portray us as "liberating" the Iraqi people from the iron grip of Saddam and I think he believed they'd welcome us with open arms. I think most of us knew that wouldn't happen.

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "al Qaeda was an American creation well after the invasion." What I assume you mean is that when the US invaded and found no weapons of mass destruction, THEN Bush started hinting at an alleged Saddam-Al Qaeda link. I think all but the most ignorant people saw through that BS, as Saddam HATED Al Qaeda and Al Qaeda HATED Saddam. I worked with a guy who fell for that hook, line, and sinker and went around telling everyone that Saddam was funding and supporting Al Qaeda. I corrected him multiple times.

The AQ connections were being made before the invasion

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/033jgqyi.asp

 

[Orignal Earl]

What you have never heard of France. JK.

Did you know France has the best military record in the world?

French is like the language of war

battalion, dragoon, infantry, cavalry, army, artillery, corvette, musketeer, carabineer, pistol, fusilier, squad, squadron, platoon, brigade, corps, sortie, reconnaissance/reconnoitre, surveillance, rendezvous, espionage, volley, siege, terrain, troop, camouflage, logistics, accoutrements, bivouac, aide-de-camp, legionnaire, morale, esprit de corps. sergeant, lieutenant, captain, colonel, general, admiral.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

The AQ connections were being made before the invasion

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/033jgqyi.asp

Yes, that's correct, I didn't mean to imply that it wasn't made before the invasion. When they failed to find WMDs, they went into full-court press on that angle, however.

 

[xj0hnx]

When they were fighting the Iranians for some reason they could shoot
It is hard for me to imagine a whole country of cowards.
Especially a country that has been through what Iraq has
I would think there are kids in Iraq with ten times the size of balls then a lot of men from a place like America

If I hadn't seen it, I'd probably think the same, but if they're there, I didn't see them.

 

[TechBoyJK]

This.

I can't think of much that mitigates that shameful ratio. That's beyond appalling.

Haven't you seen 300?

 

[StinkyPinky]

It's easy for us to say these things in our warm houses and functioning states, but imagine growing up under a dictator and then having a foreign army steam roll through your country and your entire country is not functioning. Your children have no future, you have no work except to join an army and fight in a cause you care nothing for, and you are traumatized beyond any reasonable capacity that a human mind can take. Imagine a US soldier having to serve his entire life in the country and having his entire family with him for the ride. That's what these guys face.

 

[Kadarin]

They're either cowards or they agree in principle with ISIS and thus don't want to fight them.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

sounds like an opportunity for the cia to install a strongman

Isn't that what some people are arguing that Iraq needs today (directly and indirectly) and which some are arguing should of been kept in place (in the form of Saddam Hussein brutal regime) when they deride our last involvement in Iraq?